Having the port exhaust be an intentional design flaw/weakness is fucking insane.
In A New Hope the Death Star being blown up by Luke was foreshadowed very early when Vader warned how their technological wonder was insignificant to the Force. (of course he then proceeded to choke Admiral Motti for talking back to him).
Later on in the film, the Grand Moff Tarkin receives news about the potential weakness with the port and says "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? Surely you overestimate their chances." This hubris and arrogance combined with Luke turning off his targeting computer and making a shot that was "one in a million" according to Han was the perfect end to the movie.
Instead now we get "herr derr is was fucked up on purpose so all that talk of Vader building up the power of the force + Tarkin being arrongant + Luke's amazing force shot is irrelevant."
The shot could've only been made with The Force. It was literally one-in-a-million.
The fact that the exhaust port is a intentional flaw doesn't make actually nailing the shot any less impressive.
Julian Thompson
it was intentional because mads mikkelsen was really a rebel all along. it's not like the empire did it intentionally.
just because it was installed by mads doesn't mean the shot should have been any easier for luke.
I don't know what the fuck you're criticising.
You sound like you're saying rogue one's alteration was stupid but what you've said ere to highlight Tarkin and Luke's stupidity
what the fuck are you even trying to ay.
Sebastian Wilson
>Mads also designed trash compactors with monsters in them
Adam Taylor
>was the perfect end to the movie. No it wasn't. it was fucking stupid.
Tarkin was a badass character ruined by this moment and luke was a shitty mary sue. Fucking George Lucas apologists
The only reason for Rogue one to exist is to seal this LITERAL plotHOLE in Lucas's story.
Brandon Russell
WOW ANOTHER FRESH STAR WARS THREAD AND OPINION, HEHE SURE GLAD Sup Forums IS DISCUSSING THIS NEW DISNEY BLOCKBUSTER IN ALL THESE THREADS, HEHE GUYS LETS RANK THE STAR WARS MOVIES WHICH ONE IS YOUR FAVORITE???
Logan Reyes
the monster might have been space dwelling cthulu creatures who settled there because food.
or installed deliberately to recycle waste . you don't know.
Asher Carter
I liked when the rebels analyzed the plans and found a weakness way better.
Eli Martinez
dumb star wars poster
Camden Bailey
You stupid dense fuck. The weakness was the fact that the entire thing will blow up if something reaches the core. It probably had some fail safes removed, or designed around against.
The exhaust port is just that. Also Tarkin never knew of the weakness. He was not involved in that plot.
Lincoln Watson
if it had shown them doing the leg work to reach this conclusion it would have been cool. instead it was just 1 meeting 'oh look at that how convenient'. rogue one at least put the effort in.
Jose Martin
He designed the reactor chain reaction, not the exhaust port.
Jaxon Clark
The fast pace ending to the slow paced ANH makes no fucking sense. It's all fucked up.
Oliver Bennett
ANH could have been weeks later. Vader Calmed down.
Brandon Turner
>of course he then proceeded to choke Admiral Motti for talking back to him
Ah but did he warn Motti not to choke on his ambition?
Joshua Gray
Good point because the space ship did definitely blow it up didn't it?
Samuel Gray
don't choke on your ambitions OP
Gavin Parker
>The shot could've only been made with The Force. It was literally one-in-a-million. No, the Rebellion at that stage had very limited resources and no skilled pilots available. Think about the implications of giving one of their handful of fighters to some random kid who shows up and volunteers.
Their force at Yavin is pathetic: a mere 30 inexpertly-piloted starfighters. However, the Imperial command is grossly overconfident, committing its greatest single asset with no screen of smaller escorts. The commander, who appears to be mostly an administrator but outranks everyone and is drunk on the glory of his new "invincible" vessel and the success of finding the Rebel base, ignores both Vader's warning and the warnings coming up through the ranks.
Luke commented that he made shots like that as a teenage recreational pilot. He wasn't even trained as a starfight pilot. His aspiration at the start of the show was basically to go to the Imperial Academy and get pilot training to fly a Tie Fighter or something.
Nobody there knows how to use the targetting system while keeping up their evasive action. In the end, Luke wings it and it's left unclear whether the Force played a role.
Thomas Evans
Star Wars isn't even that good. Why waste your time arguing over its specific flaws? It's literally a disney kids film series by this point.
Samuel Brooks
Trips confirm but you're also wrong and you sound like the Reddit neckbeards that say "I only watch mature anime for mature people like myself"
Aiden Williams
>trips are wrong
Sup Forums truly is the shittiest board
Jose Martinez
>In the end, Luke wings it and it's left unclear whether the Force played a role.
Motherfucker, fucking Obi-Wan's ghost tells him to use the Force less than a minute before it happens. It's clear as shit
Austin Cook
There's no "Obi-Wan's ghost" in Star Wars. Luke hears a voice. Is he imagining? Is he remembering? There's no glowing old man saying, "Hey, I'm really here! Here's some new information you couldn't possibly have any other way!"
He takes its advice and makes the shot. But did he use the force? He said earlier that he made shots like that before Obi-Wan gave him any force training.
It's deliberately ambiguous. It leaves the possibility of doubt.
Is the force even real? Prior to this, we see: Vader make a man briefly uncomfortable (emotional reaction? concealed device?), "these aren't the droids you're looking for" (bored, gullible, easily influenced?), Luke block some zaps blindfolded (is he using his hearing? is the pattern predictable?), Obi-Wan's body disappear (an effect of the lightsaber? is he playing a trick?).
That's it. Subtle effects. And we see characters who have lived in this universe and laugh at the idea that the force is real. By the way Tarkin responds to Vader, it seems to me he assumes the choking demonstration is some kind of trick. He doesn't take Vader's warning, "Hey, you know there are wizards in this universe, right?" seriously when making his plans.
This is one of the reasons I think the first movie was the best, and it went downhill from there. The force is completely overt in the second movie: just ten minutes in, Luke uses very blatant telekinesis. He doesn't make the wampa calm down or something. Then Vader strangles a guy to death all the way on another starship, slaps a blaster bolt away with his hand, and makes a veritable debris storm to overwhelm Luke in their lightsaber battle. It's like it's made by people who don't understand the first movie at all.
Jaxon James
lol
Gavin Murphy
this x1000
alwsys bothred me that force lightning became an actul thing. this isnt dragonball
Connor Nelson
Holy shit. I think I finally can put into words why I've never liked the star wars movies much.
The reason he could bullseye womprats was he COULD use the force,if only slightly and was unaware of it at the time.Same reason he started to delfect the shots from the probe.
Brody Jenkins
>luke was a shitty mary sue. He took 3 movies to even get on Vader's level. And even then it was Vader who stopped Palpatine for good.
Justin Collins
You're wrong.
>Before R1 >Empire thinks no harm can come to them from a tiny exhaust, a simple ignored Achille's Heel. Tarkin doesnt evacuate because he is so sure of his success in destroying the Rebels, hubris is their downfall
>After R1 >ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU
Isaiah Hernandez
I'm starting to get tired of these Star Wars autists. The flaw wasn't the exhaust, it was the reactor. The rebels decided that their best shot to destroy the reactor would be through the exhaust port instead of boarding the Death Star. Luke still had to use the force to make the shot. Nothing has been invalidated
Benjamin Reyes
Someone getting his windpipe telechinetically crushed isn't subtle you shitlord.
Landon Hughes
You idiot how does obi-wan randomly disappear.
Owen Morgan
>an effect of the lightsaber Except we literally see Obi-Wan cut off that alien's arm in the cantina. Obi-Wan clearly disappeared and became a part of the force. Even Vader seemed uncomfortable, like he had never seen anything like that before. He moved Obi-Wan's clothes around, like he was looking for a body or something.
>Vader makes a man uncomfortable He choked the fuck out of that guy, and there was even a deep rumbling sound during that scene when Vader was choking him.
>Obi-Wan talking his way out of that stormtrooper interaction Try telling a cop "You don't need to see my driver's license." Only the force could do that.
Isaac Martinez
He also says to trust your feelings.
Kevin White
He didn't install the exhaust port he made it so that the core would explode if it was hit.
James Garcia
-Tarkin was always arrogant. -It still took someone with the Force to even hit the exhaust port. -Fans have been debating why such a critical flaw was built in the first place -Vader still believes the force > the death star even in current canon comics made after disney's buyout with the current writers
Jacob Martinez
>Can't put two and two together Muh ambiguity
Thomas Wilson
>that only further highlights the Empire's arrogance over the Death Star compared to the Force since it would still take a miracle to even hit that
You have poor comprehension of story telling and how things connect.
Nicholas Adams
obi wan mind tricked everyone and stripped off his clothing.
Robert Hughes
This, and also this: The force is so fucking obviously real, even in the first movie.
Jace Wood
Your autistic.
Oliver Phillips
the force as a concept is fucking stupid and you know it
Thomas Brown
It's a setting with tractor beams, particle shields, laser swords, hyperspace drives, intelligent robots, etc.
He could have been teleported, he could have been phased through the floor, he might have been sent 20 minutes into the future, Vader's different-model red-blade lightsaber might disintegrate contiguous flesh entirely, unlike Obi-Wan's blue-blade lightsaber, or maybe he was never there in the first place, and that was a hard-light hologram with the emitter hidden in the lightsaber.
In the secret canon Lucas was hoarding for the Episode 7 he would have done, Obi-Wan was hiding in the smuggling compartments of the Falcon all along, while his hologram ran around the Death Star. He snuck out and held a blaster to Han's head to make him turn back and save Luke. Then he used another hologram transmitter to visit Luke on Dagobah, and then he and his old friends holoconferenced on Endor's moon.
Grayson Johnson
>not getting the religious allusions
Did you fail Middle School? Oh wait, I'm on Sup Forums, that was a stupid question.
Ayden Fisher
So.... Then why did he make it so hard to use? If it could only be made by magic then why wasn't it made easier? Obviously he couldn't have anticipated Luke would come and accomplish it right?
Its not really a "critical flaw" in the OT because it was a "1 in a million shot" it was incomprehendible that it could be done even by machine and if it was under sustained fire. Anyways, they were about to destroy the rebellion right then too.
Justin Adams
No, George Lucas originally intended for Obi-wan to have survived the Death Star and end up essentially being the Yoda of the series, teaching Luke of things, which was scrapped during development of ANH in favor of killing him, which was later then turned into a Force Ghost thereafter. Even the novelization of ANH basically talks of this.
You're wrong, get over it.
Asher Nelson
Did you miss the entire part that Mads was alive during The Republic and knew that Jedi and the Force were real?
Also you're correct, he didn't anticipate that Luke would come, but anticipated that there were still Force users across the galaxy and likely some in the Republic as well.
Luke Cook
Lol at everyone who is falling for this bait
Sebastian Lopez
>>In the secret canon Lucas was hoarding for the Episode 7 he would have done, Obi-Wan was hiding in the smuggling compartments of the Falcon all along, while his hologram ran around the Death Star. He snuck out and held a blaster to Han's head to make him turn back and save Luke. Then he used another hologram transmitter to visit Luke on Dagobah, and then he and his old friends holoconferenced on Endor's moon. >No, George Lucas originally intended Autism is a hell of a thing.
Nicholas Hill
It was not a hologram in Lucas' original script. He just survived, that was it. He survived. Vader never touched him, there were no holograms, etc. That was changed almost immediately to have Obi-wan killed instead. Lucas agreed to it. There is no secret canon, there is no whatever. Obi-wan died, he's a Force Ghost, deal with it.
Kevin Sullivan
Do you seriously not understand that that part was a joke? It's like saying, "Star Wars was set in the Matrix. It explains everything."
Thomas Thomas
Knowing Sup Forums its hard to judge when people are actually being serious anymore or just plain stupid.
Justin Phillips
>expecting Disney to have any themes in its movies except twitter-deep "rebel" corporate narratives and escapist fantasy >expecting them to give a flying fuck about established IPs when they can shit out another one for nostalgiabucks
No user It's you who is insane
Logan Sanchez
wait so obi wasnt actually a hologram in disguise?
Dominic Campbell
The part that wasn't a joke is that for the audience watching Star Wars in 1977 and seeing Obi-Wan disappear for the first time, they had no way to be certain it was "the Force" and not some trick of the setting's technology.
Everything in the first film left some room, however slim, for doubt of the Force being more than a religious fantasy, whereas every Star Wars after that treated the Force as something blatant and undeniable.
Parker Sanders
Rogue One fit in with the Star Universe so damn well that its ridiculous. Maybe you're just retarded.
Angel Watson
>Everything in the first film left some room, however slim, for doubt of the Force being more than a religious fantasy
It was a more ambiguous concept in the first movie, but there is zero doubt that it's real.
Jackson Collins
Not him, but as someone who saw Star Wars in theaters with his father and two cousins at the time when I was a child, nobody thought that.
The entire movie built up the Force and how it was some mystical mumbo-jumbo that didn't exist, only for the final moments of the film to be Obi-wan talking to Luke and Luke actually using the Force. It was fairly obvious even for 6 year old me, my two cousins being 16 at the time also understood it just fine.
Henry Wright
it was ok as a concept but it doesn't change anything because the force did it
also there were 2 more deathstars that didn't need to be sabotaged by a rebel engineer
Justin Williams
They could have pulled a "magic feather" in the sequel, and everyone would have accepted it, even more easily than they accepted, "No, I am your father!" after Obi-Wan's speech about Luke's father, which is utterly bizarre in retrospect.
>You never needed the Force, Luke! It was those hours bullseyeing womprats all along!
The "jedi" could have turned out to be tricksters, making clever use of obscure technology to manipulate the superstitious, and some of the audience would walk out of there saying, "I knew it from the first movie!"
The people in ANH who didn't believe in the force make no sense in the rest of the series, where the force is mostly used in flashy ways.
Aiden Bell
DONT CHOKE
Carter Russell
>The entire movie built up the Force and how it was some mystical mumbo-jumbo that didn't exist, only for the final moments of the film The final moments are the most ambiguous of all. The Force can be real and that ending can still happen without Luke using it.
From early in the film, they show more convincing examples, like Vader's choke and "these aren't the droids".
Ethan Thomas
>there's no force, it's just a series of incredibly unlikely unrelated misdirections that can't really be explained other than by insanely complex science and sheer coincidence (which is actually less plausible than the force) nice argument bud. the force was very, very overt, if you think otherwise you're stretching.
Joshua Allen
That's called a climax, kid.
Charles Cox
>Before R1 >Empire thinks no harm can come to them from a tiny exhaust, a simple ignored Achille's Heel. Tarkin doesnt evacuate because he is so sure of his success in destroying the Rebels, hubris is their downfall
>After R1 >Empire thinks that nothing bad will come out of forcing a guy who clearly hates them to design their top secret weapon
Not sure where the Hubris angle is undermined
Tyler Gutierrez
Hey retard. Watch the movie again.
The port wasn't the intentional flaw, the reactor is. Galen deliberately made it easy to cause a chain reaction, he didn't actually design the exhaust port
Cameron Turner
Vader was aware of the sabotage, and said nothing. He wanted it to be destroyed and hated Tarkin and non believers in the force
Dylan Perry
This might be the dumbest most retarded shit I've ever read here
John Nguyen
was anyone else thinking why wasn't vader in the executor 1 when jumping out of hyperspace to take out the rebel fleet? or was it not constructed yet?
Cameron Young
this
Henry Gomez
please be a troll.
Dylan Walker
That movie was dark as fuck for a Disney movie. Just sayin'.
Jaxson Russell
There's a lot of stuff that doesnt make sense in this.
What doesn't make sense? The Geonosians only built the Death Star. They didn't design it.
Josiah Sullivan
Gave me a nice kek
Jonathan Young
Totally overthought it He designed the flaw to be powerful enough to destroy the entire station but as a result it had to be near impossible to utilize unless full preparation was had. The rebellion got lucky because they had a fucking Jedi. Rogue one does not take away from Lukes shot in any way whatsoever
Adrian Watson
Not that guy, but the Force was only implied in the first movie. You never knew if it was real of just Luke going nuts. Sort of like the Shining. Then in the second movie the ruined it by giving Luke magic powers.
Brody Sullivan
total protonic reversal
Shouldn't have crossed sabers.
Matthew Garcia
This.
Levi Anderson
This
Eli Smith
>Having the port exhaust be an intentional design flaw/weakness is fucking insane. >In A New Hope the Death Star being blown up by Luke was foreshadowed very early when Vader warned how their technological wonder was insignificant to the Force. (of course he then proceeded to choke Admiral Motti for talking back to him).
It's midichlorians all over again.
Adrian Thompson
>this is what happens when you wait too long to get laid
Owen Fisher
The exhaust port wasn't the design flaw you fucking twit, did not you watch the movie at all?
The design flaw was the hitting the reactor would blow the whole fucking thing up, instead of a more reasonable response for super advanced space technology like it just shutting down or something.
They go to the shield planet specifically because the scientists' message said, "You need to get the schematics of the Death Star so you can figure out a way to take advantage of this weakness".