IMPERIAL OFFICER >The Death Star plans are not in the main computer.
VADER >Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
VADER >What have you done with those plans?
REBEL OFFICER >We intercepted no transmissions. Aaah... This is a consular ship. We’re on a diplomatic mission.
VADER >If this is a consular ship... where is the Ambassador?
VADER >Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those plans and bring me the passengers. I want them alive!
LEIA >Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic sh-
VADER >Don’t act so surprised, your highness. You weren’t on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
LEIA >I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
VADER >You are part of the Rebel alliance and a traitor. Take her away!
Does this seem like the logical follow up of the Rogue One ending? Why didn't Disney work to make sure that Rogue One ended in such a way that the dialogue in A New Hope would make sense?
I feel like this is a small plot hole compared to the fact that Vader doesn't sense Leia is his daughter when he meets her.
Noah Jackson
What part of this doesn't make sense?
Colton Carter
i don't see a problem with this. he thinks they beamed the plans over but is wrong.
Gabriel Clark
The part where Vader would know it's on the ship and wouldn't bother asking questions.
Brandon Moore
Why isn't anyone acknowledging that Leia's ship was actually in the battle? Who is she trying to fool with the whole "diplomatic mission" bullshit? And why did Vader say the plans were transmitted aboard the ship? They were transmitted to the big ship and then Vader literally watched as Rebels carried the HDD over onto Leia's ship.
Parker Perry
See:
Jackson Jackson
'A new hope' referred to Luke, not the stolen plans.
Also, why didn't daddy attache the DS plans when he sent his hologram?
Aaron Parker
Depends on the timeline. If this is minutes or hours after the end of Rogue One, yeah, it doesn't make sense. But if the corvette and Vader were playing cat and mouse for weeks, it works. If the ship is a common model, there's plausible deniability.
Nolan Torres
he gave her the opportunity to lie, which would give him hard evidence to execute her
if he just straight up started tearing the ship apart, the senate WOULD have chimped out
this is why cops ask you questions before they shoot you
Cooper Parker
It's because Vader was too caught up in his slaughter rampage and forgot details.
I would if I was him during that scene.
Luis Allen
whom cares
Kevin Collins
he can't fuck leia up, the senate would freak out
she's blatantly lying to his face (something ANH Leia would absolutely do) because she thinks she's untouchable. vader doesn't buy it for a second, obviously. it works to me, vader KNOWS but he has to put on a semi-diplomatic face
Jordan Rodriguez
It's staggering that they can't segue smoothly into the beginning of an almost forty year old film. It's almost as if they didn't bother to watch it.
Gavin Stewart
this, even if it's just a few hours it could check out
Jason King
This sister/daughter plot was obviously written later
Christian Moore
This is not a plot hole you autists Leia's ship was docked within a larger ship (can't remember which one), when she had the plans it undocked and immediately went into hyperspace.
Vader was the only one to see this ship as he was literally there when it departed. He would have to track it down by just a visual reference. Likely this was days/weeks later as there are more of these models flying around the Galaxy.
Jaxon Brooks
Yeah, well, maybe George shouldn't have shoved that into ROTJ at the last minute.
And of course there's the powerful implication that Luke and Leia have already fucked in Empire, so George heavily implies that incest has taken place.
Ryder Allen
If it took longer than a few hours, Leia should have started making copies and emailed them out like a Nigerian prince giving away money.
Adam Jones
fpbp
Kevin Turner
Vader fucking saw her ship leave.
Jaxson Sanders
>but he has to put on a semi-diplomatic face
Did Vader know that Emps was gonna disband the Senate though?
Joshua Cox
Cause they very big
Sebastian Smith
>implication that Luke and Leia have already fucked in Empire loooooooool where
Ryder Cook
See A New Hope has to start almost immediately after Rogue One for that to make sense.
Eli Stewart
Come on, man, what do you think that kiss she gives him is about? That's not just some friendly kiss.
Ian Harris
The factors of time and speed in space travel isn't defined well in any Star Wars movie, so it's impossible to say how feasible that would be.
Aiden Green
this.
The Tantive 4 gets intercepted over Tatooine, in the outer rim. Chances are it's a little while after.
I think them having Leia in different costume in the ending scene would have been a good idea, to clean up any confusion.
Landon Johnson
why is he pointing with his pinky
Hudson Miller
i'm pretty sure edwards confirmed that rogue one's ending is like 10 minutes before ANH
William Morales
>Vader literally watched as Rebels carried the HDD This scene actually confuses me a bit because I don't know how Vader knew that the plans had been beamed to the capital ship, but we being carried by hand on to the Tantive IV. He didn't even seem to indicate that he realized the plans were in front of him, he was just killing people.
That being said, Leia can't really play dumb unless some time has passed since the events of RO, and if that's the case, then she really is dumb for not doing something with the plans sooner.
William Gomez
>Deep in Empire territory >Lets send risky transmission Even Cassian said they couldn't risk sending what Jyn said because they were in Empire space.
Landon Diaz
Said ship just escaped battle with the stolen plans
Vader knew this
They were fleeing felons
If it was a totally different ship, sure
Jayden Hernandez
He didn't know that until well later in IV
Christopher Murphy
You are a fucking idiot if you seriously think the Rebels and Leia would tell Vader the truth.
OF COURSE they will try to lie to him.
Grayson Martin
But somehow the transmission wasn't intercepted when it was beamed off planet???
Nathan Ross
Looks like you're right, but I'm not gonna take that passing word as canon just yet.
Levi Young
>Who is she trying to fool with the whole "diplomatic mission" bullshit?
>Believes that people don't lie even when they get caught.
Josiah Ward
Short range transmission vs Long range transmission? Vader clearly knew they were transmitting something but just didn't know what. Now if Leia was stupid enough to transmit over a longer distance then the message has a higher chance of being intercepted.
Ian Turner
the criticism is that the rebels were caught red handed, and saying that the plans were beamed up by spies isn't really consistent with the full assault that happened on Scarif
Asher Powell
The empire never backed up its files to a remote server? Their hard drive gets stolen and they have no way of seeing what was in it, LOL
But as is discussed by the generals in A New Hope, the Empire knows that the rebels got a full technical readout. As far as I understood, that's all it was.
Connor Gonzalez
Referring to them as spies isn't a big deal. Vader only knew that they had a leak in Krennic's research team, he couldn't be sure of the full extent of it or who exactly uploaded the plans.
William Richardson
Vader is awfully calm when he boards leia's ship in ANH, what good guy. he tried violence but it didn't work out so he decided to talk it out instead.
Joshua Morris
Seriously. It's like OP doesn't fuckin remember the hologram of Leia "Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope."
Michael Diaz
this
Zachary Watson
I have some questions about Episode IV now:
>Why doesn't Vader reference the fight on Scariff to Leia or anyone else on the Tantive IV? >Why doesn't Leia reference the fact that Vader just slaughtered quite a few of his men? >The Death Star plans weren't beamed to the Tantive IV and Vader knew that because he saw the Rebels escaping with them in their hands, why would he say otherwise?
Matthew Powell
Hey, I'm not interested in seeing this film, but I'm curious about how well it's doing. Tell me, is it failing? I really hope it is.
Luis Thomas
Where's the confusion?
John Gutierrez
does Disney fail?
Mason Taylor
>ITT legitimate autism
Leia is just stalling for time to make sure the plans can get off the ship
It doesn't really matter what she says and doesn't get intimidated by Vader because muh stronk independent woman Of course Vader knows the plans are on the ship, how does him intimidating the crew to hand them over make it a plot hole?
Brayden Ramirez
Because the fucking movie was made 40 years earlier?
Colton Butler
>Massive opening weekend figures >good reviews >great word of mouth >legitimately has rewatch value
Will break a billion comfortably
Ethan Evans
Sounds like these people want Disney to do a special edition rerelease of the OT with changes in dialogue to address the events of Rogue One. Throw in some half dead James Earl Jones lines about Scarif, and throw in some more CGI Leia denying more accusations
Aaron Sanchez
Lazy writing then. You can avoid all those plotholes by just not having Leia in Rogue One but they need to spoonfeed the faux-nostalgia to reddit faggots.
Nathaniel Sanders
>More fucking with the OT I don't even know what the original films look like anymore
Benjamin Rivera
Jesus Christ Sup Forums this is Cinemasins level of trying to create plotholes where there are none
The empire intercepted the plans in the middle of the battle when they were transmitting them from the planet to the ship
Leia escapes
Vader follows
Leia tries to play dumb and bluffs as hard as she can to buy R2 time
Vader calls her out on her shit when he said >you weren't on any mercy mission this time and >you are a part of the rebel alliance and a traitor
ezpz pablo will be retweeting this in a week
Jack Wilson
The Empire know they got the plans. Now the Empire wants the plans back so they can fix whatever the Rebel discovered in the plans.
Nathan Harris
The movie ending on that moment makes the overall impression of the movie better and gets better GA reception
Brandon Powell
>LEIA >Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold. The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic sh- >VADER >Don’t act so surprised, your highness. You weren’t on any mercy mission this time. obviously he knows she's lying, that she and the ship were involved in the heist >Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you. he knows the plans are there >LEIA >I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan. she continues to lie >VADER >You are part of the Rebel alliance and a traitor. Take her away! he tells her to fuck off
the only inconsistency is that vader says the plans were 'beamed to this ship' when they were dilevered by hand 'after' being beamed. it's a minor retcon if anything
Jordan Turner
God, how disappointing. This movie is trash
Josiah Williams
if he knew that plans were there and went to the lengths to kill those people. why didn't he immediately just murder everyone on that ship once he caught them again.
Christopher Russell
As leia suggested, it would look bad to blow up the ship. Remember at this ooint2the senate wasnt gone yet.
Jose King
I am not going to argue with people that seriously enjoy capeshit.
Chase Howard
>the only inconsistency is that vader says the plans were 'beamed to this ship' when they were dilevered by hand 'after' being beamed. it's a minor retcon if anything
If the Tantive IV was docked in the capitol ship it might be hard to tell which ship the plans were sent to. Vader also didn't give any indication in Rogue One that he saw the rebels carrying the plans, considering he wasted a lot of time murdering people instead of just force grabbing the plans. I'm guessing he was just trying to board the ship and the rebel with the plans just happened to be in front of him
Robert Morales
because leia is royalty and a government official and the ship is officially a consular vessel. he was already stepping out of bounds when he boarded the ship and the troopers killed the security
Thomas Carter
>legitimately has rewatch value
I watched TFA opening night in IMAX, in costume, with friends and family. I was pumped for it, but it was only okay. I haven't watched it since.
I watched RO opening night in IMAX with friends. I was pumped for it, but it was only okay. I probably won't watch it again for a long time.
But you're probably right about making a ton of money because idiots like me will go watch whatever shit Disney pumps out with the Star Wars brand on it.
Cameron Kelly
And I won't argue with a Jojo shitter
James Walker
There's no telling how long they've been chasing them. They could have given the imperials the slip and tried to masquerade as just another Corellian Corvette.
As far as Leia knows, they could have gotten away scott free, and vader only knows because he's a space wizard.
James Long
This. I doubt he knew that the plans were on that disc otherwise he would have just grabbed it with the force [he did it to the guns].
There's no real plot hole here.
Ethan Gomez
I thought the Senate was neutered after 3 and utterly irrelevant by 4. It was one of the details which Rogue One seems to have retroactively changed.
Landon Nelson
What don't you guys understand about the plans being beamed to the ship? They were beamed to the main ship and then put on a disc and then the small ship left. The plans were obviously beamed within the ship the crew of the tantive iv.
There is literally no plot hole here.
Xavier Diaz
>In costume ?
Anthony James
Yeah this is literally the only way it doesnt line up perfectly. Why would Leia even try to pretend she isnt part of the rebellion when she was AT THE FUCKING BATTLE HERSELF???
Chase Barnes
But surely the Empire has their own blueprints.
In A New Hope the generals seem confident that any possible weakness found can't really hurt them. I don't know why Vader even cared about the plans. Even near the end of the battle, Tarkin is told there is a chance the Rebels could blow up the Death Star, but he stays aboard anyway.
The whole point is that the weakness is an accidental oversight by the Empire. Making it intentional was one of the dumbest things Disney could have done.
Eli Morales
>Many Bothans died to bring you this information >No Bothans in the film
What did they mean by this?
Bentley Green
in anh tarkin says that the emperor has finally dissolved the senate. in r1 the senate is in its last days
Christopher Thompson
...
Lincoln Parker
The senate dissolving was literally mentioned during the OT, user.
Isaiah Phillips
There's a single line in Episode 4 where Tarkin mentions that the Emperor just dissolved the Senate, with the implication being "he dissolved the senate about 20 minutes ago." It's not a huge focus, he mostly uses it as a talking point that they can now use the death star on whatever the fuck they want.
David Cox
Dressed as a Jedi. Shit ton of other people were too.
Lincoln Morris
is this serious? at this point, every time i see it posted, i'm wondering if it's bait
Adam James
Making it intentional was absolutely genius. People have been bitching about the implausibility of a single thermal exhaust port that could destroy the entire facility not at least being covered by a grating for fucking decades. Having an engineer put it there intentionally makes way more sense.
Jaxon Anderson
>Believes that people don't lie even when they get caught.
Exactly, what is the first thing people do when caught red handed by police? "We weren't having sex", "They aren't my drugs", "I wasn't speeding."
Even if its obvious, of course you lie.
Blake Price
It makes perfect sense. Vader knows immediately this is the ship (he just fucking saw it) and when Leia lies he sarcastically replies. Shit thread.
Landon Reed
So basically, this entire franchise is such a fucking mess anyone with half a brain would abandon it right now?
Zachary Gomez
no, only autistic people think the ending doesn't make sense
Joshua Foster
They're literally already shooting at her ship at the beginning of ANH.
What exactly is everyone sperging about? Holy shit, kids
Xavier Hall
>TFA breaks 2 billion s-star wars is dying hehe not even beating titanic >rogue one opens with 150 million i-it's dying!
David Jones
Ten minutes in between Rogue One and A New Hope. They warped away and Vader caught up with them ten minutes later.
Evan Reed
kek to death
Tyler Anderson
Return of the Jedi is actually really bad, for exactly the same reasons people said the Prequel Trilogy was bad.
It takes some time for people to come around to this, but it's totally true.
Asher Martinez
Yeah, but I thought that the Senate was a joke after 3. So, the Senate being a plot element in Rogue One was pretty confusing.
Evan Ward
Instead, they made sure she still had her hood up like she did when she fed R2 the plans.
William Kelly
No, they weren't invisible and doing things behind the scenes. There were no in the film and it was Rogue One that did the work in retrieving the plans in person.
Jose Adams
No, I mean like, where is the heart?
Landon Butler
fat crying loser
Colton Young
How did C-3PO and R2-D2 get on board the ship when we saw them at Yavin IV?
What was Leia doing in the middle of the battle anyway?