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Why do you guys get so angry that people like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice? What is it about this movie that inspires such rage in it's opponents?

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People hate what they don't understand

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Yes because the ones saying it's a good movie aren't the aggressive ones.

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simply because it goes against the status quo

I LOVE HIM, I LOVE SNYDER

for some reason Sup Forums gets really mad at it because, despite years and years of comics telling different interpretations of these characters, this was just too different. I guess Marvel conditioned them to think that the first version of a character/event on film should try to stick as close to the zeitgeist's version.

I think it's not so much that people like it, but more that people love it.

I'm all for admiring what it does right, but saying it's fantastic as a movie, because the cinematography is on point, is like praising every post 80s Disney animated film because the animation is on point.

Cinematography is a big part of making a great film, and you can even get away with making a film be carried by its cinematography alone (mentioned Disney, because it would be a crazy thing to pretend Fantasia wasn't amazing, inspite of basically having no story just animation and music), but when you introduce other elements into your work, their quality will define the complete work just as much as its best element.

I love the movie and it is great, I really dont agree with most complaints people have with the story or pacing or editing, most cant even actually point to examples or explain WHY they think those parts are bad without being super vague or general.

its not just cinematography, specifically in the picture OP posted its the way its used as for shadowing and as a contrast to what happens later.


By using the same shots/beats Snyder is re-enforcing the idea that by killing Superman, Batman feels like his crusade will be complete, he will have saved "Martha"

Make up your mind:

A) Synder uses Christ imagery like a 1st year film student.

B) He uses Christ imagery to try and show what "the people" THINK of superman as.

Because if its B then its pretty confusing to have the two overlap as in the rightside panel.

I found it too long, but it was ok.
I mean, i know i'm going to get the Marvelfans shitting on my for this but...at least WBDC movies, feel like real movies.

Eeeeh, Superman was always biblical.

Oh that's fine. So its A then.

That would mean that nothing in BvS is a deconstruction then, and without that argument its prestige is not 1/2 of what it is.

Without meaning to imply that BvS is even nearly as bad as The Room, I think it's kind of like that.

It's difficult to say exactly what is wrong with The Room, without falling into general statements. "The characters just don't talk like real people." "Too much time is spent on banal shit that doesn't move the plot forward." "A bunch of the scenes are in there just for a weird kind of fan service."

What most people find off putting about the pacing and story has less to do with objective quality and more with how people interpret a story depending their culture and what they've experienced previously in life.

If you read Lord of the Flies for the first time in your life when you're 30, you're probably going to think it's shit too, because unlike when read by a teenager, it has nothing to give you that is new, and what isn't new, doesn't really work for you, because your general worries, what you hold important aren't the same as that of the characters, and you can't really relate that well.

Same way, if you've spent years reading all sorts of science fiction books, then you may appreciate the cinematography and direction of a film like Interstellar, but at the same time find the story ridicolously boring because it has nothing new to offer you, and can't even grant you new revelations, because you've been there already.


Again, I'm not trying to argue that BvS is horrible or anything, but more that it's built up a bit like a cult movie. There is a niche of people for whom it hits all the right spots, because they're in tune with cultture it wants to reflect, for whom Superman and Batman's motivations and the way they play out in the film help learn something new, or see something from a different angle, but at the same time, it might not do the same for many, many others.

It's kind of the main issue with films like this, and why Marvel does better.

You don't need to have a precise cultural or philosophical background to enjoy a good one liner.

>and what isn't new
And what isn't good because it's new*
Had a bit of a slip up there

Because it's different

No one argues it looks bad.

Its just that that doesn`t save the movie ultimately.

>Why do you guys get so angry that people like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice? What is it about this movie that inspires such rage in it's opponents?

We don't give a shit that people like the movie. We get annoyed because you faggots never shut the fuck up about it.

It's the perfect storm of pissed-off fanboys that think they know the characters and understand the source material(spoiler: they don't), console war babies from Sup Forums who would hate a DC movie if it was written by Shakespeare, storyboarded by Albrecht Dürer, and directed by Tarkovsky, people who refuse to see comic book movies as anything but escapist "capeshit," and people who genuinely did "get it," but just don't appreciate it.

>directed by Zack Snyder

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Not him, but that's not really an overlap. That's not Superman as Christ, that's Superman as an Angel in a movie where the take-away is that we're all supposed to be the Angels.

Theres a lot of angles I can attack this movie from. First off lrt me day the cinematography is pretty good, the action is also pretty good, better than nolan bat by far.

So, from a comics perspective I always felt that DC was stylized after atomic age art deco 1940s america. Unfortunately the setting of these movies, from the backgrounds to the realistic and boring cities, grimy dirty people, lackluster fight settings...even the new wayne manor and batcave are less eccentric and more down to earth...this goes on and on...

Scriptwise its a mess, bad dialogue, poor or missing motivations, plotholes, and on the nose symbolism. Its sad because it has heart...it has potential but something is off...like half the movie is reshoots.

Bad superman. Superman is an altruist, mos is a libertarian and libertarians are subhuman. Casting is wuestionable more because Cavil is an excellent actor in other films.

I dunno got bored typing this fuck it fuck this movie.

>have a lot of ideas
>make a movie
>fail to articulate any of your ideas for the movie
>people unwilling to accept its simply a bad movie dig endlessly until they figure out what you were trying to do
>now claim its a great movie even though it failed at absolutely everything it attempted

>Le too deep for moi to understand in first vviewing
Its okay user, just because you missed it the first time, doesn't mean you have to undermine it.

>undermine it
There's no success to undermine. No popular goodwill. He's just saying what people are already saying. What's plain for anyone to see.

>having to eat shit more than once to determine if it is, in fact, shit.

galdot is shit
troll monster is shit
plot is swiss cheese

but it looks good kinda

>>>Marvel

>anyone who doesn't like eating my shit eats other shit

its really time to stop, son

People are not angry about some retarded plebs liking this garbage. People are mad about their beloved universe and heroes being raped for easy money.

thats a very good point, but I'd just like to say it is very easy to say what is wrong with The Room. For starters just the way shots are framed, or the fact that you have the same character played by different actors throughout the movie or the random softcore porn.
Otherwise you make a very acute point and present it in a way I haven't though of before. Bravo.

this

BvS is only a deconstruction of The Dark Knight Returns, which is in itself a deconstruction of classic batman/superhero structure.


Most of BvS is actually a slow and steady reconstruction, with MoS being more or less a deconstruction.
But now ive said these "struction" words so much they almost lack any meaning to most reading this.

but its not bad.

the best thing about this is that Lex made her say that AND he made the bomb, so Lex made the woman into a prophet.


Which, in itself, foreshadows how Lex's statement of "demons come from above, angels from below" is prophetic because we know Darkseid or Steppenwolf will be in JL and come from above, while Superman will be revived and come from below.

>he can't just hide thread and move on
your life must be suffering

this desu

deconstructing a deconstruction just leaves you with a mess.

You're using plural words when in reality every BvS thread is one guy same fagging up a storm and pretending to be angry at the film while also defending it.

I know this to be true because I am the OP, I am the shit poster, I am the Snyderfag, I am the Evans poster, I am the Marvel Cuck. I am all, and these threads are me.

You need these threads because I am these threads. Without them, we are nothing. I needed them to be something. I needed them to be legends. I needed them to be big. I needed them for me.

well really its a reconstruction overall, but I dont know how else to describe what Snyder does when he takes specific scenes from The Dark Knight Returns and completely flips them around thematically.


So I guess what he is doing is a really slow reconstruction that doesn't hit home till the end, hence it being the "Dawn" of justice.

>whys everyone discussing this?
>because you're initiating discussion
>LOL HE CAN'T HIDE THREADS

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>I dont know how else to describe what Snyder does when he takes specific scenes from The Dark Knight Returns and completely flips them around thematically.

"incompetence" is a good word for that.

>im annoyed you are talking about this
>instead of hiding and move on i'm gunna tell you how annoyed I am and stay in this thread and let my rage build

how do you find the will to continue?

It's because it's trash. It is PASSABLE if it was maybe a one off and it would get better, but people "liking it" means we will get more of the same.

What we really want is Watchman + That warehouse action scene with Batman. What we DON'T want is MARTHAAAAA

its not incompetence at all, its a really subtle touch that aids in the overarching theme of "men can still be good" that shows a deep understanding of The Dark Knight Returns comic.

You've just used the terms "understanding" and "subtle" in connection with zack snyder.

Not saying you're wrong, but those too in this form could be dismissed as "General statements".

"Just the way the shots are framed" doesn't point out anything wrong in specific.
There have been movies before where different actors portrayed the same character for various reasons, perhaps the most obvious example being The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus (Which hasn't necessarily used this fact perfectly, but was clearly going somewhere with it.), so it could be argued that by itself that is not a bad thing.
As for the random softcore porn, I'm sure there is at least one example out there of a movie that does that that approaches the concept of good. (It's probably not Species though.)

I personally know exactly what you mean and agree with you, but I'm trying to show that these criticisms too can fall into the blanket term of "super vague or general" criticisms.

anyone that like superhero movies is a huge faggot.

take that shitty film the dark knight for example. it tries to be all philosophical about morality n shit, when at the end of the day, its just a gimp running around trying to kill a clown.

Because they have Batman, Superman and a nearly unlimited budget... and THIS is the movie they produce. This complete mess that barely even had a story arc in theaters.

How the fuck do you make Batman fighting Superman so tedious? There's a half dozen animated movies and an entire animates series that makes it entertaining, and they couldn't manage it for 2 hours or less. Fucking pathetic.

Some of the Marvel movies are pretty terrible, but they manage to make even somewhat boring characters like Ant Man more interesting than BvS.

The highest praise I could lay onto BvS is that the director's cut was and improvement over the theatrical release. It was alright. They took Batman and fucking Superman and the best they managed was "alright"

i'll never understand it.

is like 90% people live in an alternate reality where BvS wasn't just an average yet competent hollywood flick.

>what we really want is watchmen

So a retard wiping his ass with comics he clearly doesn't understand.

Pottery, Big Guy, pure Pottery.

Is that you, Big Guy? Is this me?

no on fucking yelled Martha like that you idiot

This. Guy turned a bunch of people into a bunch of superhumans. In a story about human nature.

I did like the movie ending a lot more, though.

Holy shit. Good catch, user.

why would you go on the internet and post falsehood?

its true though,

youtube.com/watch?v=Oufremzw7d8

no one yells MARTHAAAAA, the closest you get is Batman saying "Martha! Why did you say that name?"


You've been tricked by a meme.

why in fuck were you so eager to post that?

>turned everybody into a bunch of superhumans
>comedian is murdered in his home
>Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are just badass martial artists with slightly above average strength - but they are well known superheroes so this makes sense?
>Rorschach literally loses to the police
>Ozymandias is smart and can use physics to basically catch a SINGLE BULLET

What part of them were super humans again?

I wasn't

Because the movie is good and often misquoted and misunderstood by idiots like you.

>You added one too many A's to the Martha, user
>Therefore the scene isn't stupid :^)

>this backpedalling

>Defends "Martha" not being "Marthaaaaaa" by posting a clip
>The clip is the clip where Batman happens to be in the building where Batman planted the spear, even though he had no idea Superman would punch him into that building

wew lad

cavil does extend the last syllable on martha though. So at best you've caught someone in a minute exaggeration.

what do you mean? he plainly plans it so that Superman would push him there by setting up the turrets outside it and setting the Bat signal on top of it. Outside of that, he controls most of the fight because its Superman coming after Batman so he leads him into the building. And even then, he hits Superman with a kryptonite gas grenade and drags him over to where the spear is.

>Comedian is killed by a more intelligent fighter who has equal super human strength to his own
>NO and SS hit hard enough to shatter brick
>Rorschach loses to police while trying to limit casualties, and only after he jumps out of a high window and suffers no injury. Even from the massive beating the police try to lay into him
>Ozy of the comics was like this. Ozy of the comics was also incredibly fast and strong.

Wow...he doesn't knows about Bat-Preptime.
fag

pfft no he doesn't, and he isn't yelling. How pedantic can you be with this "he extends the syllable" bullshit? The meme is that someone yells "MARTHAA" but no one does.

>actually believing this

hahahahaha no one is this stupid

And he's not wrong.

>NO and SS hit hard enough to shatter brick
youtube.com/watch?v=OwKO2PSphls

>Late into Jesus's birth + 2000 + 16
>BvS gets Daily threads
>CW nowhere on the board

really made me think lads... I'll be honest.

but its true
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The bat signal is on top, the turrets are in front

Genuine question

How much do they pay you to shitpost? $2/hr? Its a lot of money in your shithole cuntry right?

Too bad we've all heard the man speak.

>a meme that has gone on long past the point where it would be funny

Cement handles compression forces well and tension forces poorly. They are apply tension forces to cement bricks. They break.

In the movie, they punch a corner off of a brick wall. That is compression force. That would be like a black-belt punching through steel-reinforced concrete.

Are you retarded?

so? just because he doesnt speak in a pretentious way doesnt make him smart. Guy finished most of his high school classes early and spent most of his senior year with just two classes while reading, painting, and working out. Apparently he has a vast inner knowledge of paintings and books too.


They talk about it here:
themidside.com/snyder-series-man-of-steel/

>it's a "childish accusations of anger used by a shill" episode

youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

>shatter bricks
People do that right now
>"High window"
It was the second story window and he does a rolling tumble when he lands. This is actually the least legitimate complaint you have
>Ozy of the comics was like this
So whats the issue then?

Obviously these people are going to have abnormal strength, speed and fighting abilities. They are well known, famous heroes who haven't been killed doing this sort of shit over the years. Their abilities are slightly elevated, sure, but not "superhero" like any of the Marvel shit or even the stuff we saw Batman do in BvS.

Nobody gets upset when a Navy Seal has 300 confirmed kills in a movie, because we assume he's good at what he does - kill bad dudes with guns. These guys are the same. They punch bad dudes in the face.

Even if they were Superpowered, they are basically Netflix's Daredevil tier at best.

You've grown too big for your britches.

Like capeshit all you want, but don't pretend it's a good movie, don't pretend it compares to real movies, don't pretend it's one of the top 5 films this year, don't pretend it's art, don't pretend it's a masterpiece, don't pretend Zack Snyder is a genius auteur.

It's trash with a 15 year old age demographic.

>Superman punches you elsewhere
>Or simply doesn't punch you into the distance and cracks your armor like a nut in a vice
>Or punches you into the ground
>or punches you straight up and hits you again in the air
>Superman Laserbeams the armor off your body
>The untested kryptonite gas actually doesn't work
>Or any number of things that could cause the plan to fail with no redundancies in place

Wew lad thats some top tier planning from Bruce there

It'd have made more sense if he kept the spear on the Batplane and air dropped it on demand, but, whatever.

how do you know there werent any redundancies? If there were we just never saw them because his plan worked. And regardless, after he hits Superman with the first kryptonite bomb he starts to punch/throw Superman towards the spear, and once Superman gets his powers back Batman is leading him towards the spear. Regardless of where Superman had punched him, Batman's plan and redundancies around it would have gotten Superman to the spear in some fashion.

God damnit this hurts to watch.

After the literally dozens of essays about BvS and its mythological depth. And it all comes down to "cool"

>Literally believing a dude in slow moving power armor could in any way guarantee a fight with a god would end up in a specific location
>literally ignoring all the listed things that could have gone wrong

Holy shit you are actually this fucking retarded please go

>Barely being able to talk without drooling
>speaking in a pretentious way

More and more it seems you're just retarded and thrilled to have a filmmaker on your intellectual level.

Because its a bad movie and people act as if it is "Pure Kino and fuck you if you disagree" kind of attitude

No one is disputing that Snyder doesn't know how to film a movie. It's what he is best at. The movie itself just wasn't good. The writing and the story was just shit. Superman was an asshole, Batman is a retarded Asshole, Lex is autistic, Lois and Wondy just occupy space.

I particularly like the situation where clark just doesn't fight. just grabs the little paper man until he's ready to listen.

I didnt ignore any of them, but the fact is they didnt go wrong and Batman's plan worked. He has been at this for years and one of his things is being a master planner and fucking with people. Also he had the kryponite bombs so worst case scenario he kills him in some other way while he is weakened by the bomb.
idk why it triggers you so much that a master tactician's plan worked.

I said DOESN'T speak in a pretentious way, learn to read m8

I think Sup Forums forgets that you can like bad movies or dislike good movies sometimes.

I feel my assertion has simply been strengthened.

Just because you win the lottery doesn't mean it is a sound financial investment

It bothers me that a master tactician essentially left his plan down almost exclusively to luck

I am the only person on Sup Forums who thinks bvs was OK, worth watching once, probably won't watch it again at least for a few years. AMA