US downfall

>losing at syria
>Venezuela is on the brink of becoming Cuba 2.0
>Latin America is probably going to face another commie anti-US tide in the next elections
>Russia does whatever they want and are outsmarting them on every front
>North Korea unironically jokes with US incompetence
>Every single US ally is either facing deep economic and social problems or terrorist attacks
How come this country is so incompetent nowadays? Are we experiencing the end of the US supremacy?

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>>Venezuela is on the brink of becoming Cuba 2.0
what's happening?

Can't wait for the USA going default

this sunday they are going to rewrite their constitution and give Maduro more powers and basically establish communism

wtf i hate amerikkka now

It's collapsing but I don't see it having an impact on the US at all really

>having the 3rd biggest country in South America becoming a pro-Russia communist dictatorship
>having the biggest oil producer in South America becoming completely against the US and the status quo of the continent a la Cuba
It's a great loss to them

You do know nothing do you? Venezuela has been doing that for years being openly socialist and pro-russia while selling most of their oil to USA and sending a lot of money from corruption there.

Even with constituyense things will remain the same in their relationships.

They are like China or Russia nowadays, doing business with the US doesn't mean you are a supporter of the US, it means that you want money from them to do things you want. The difference between Venezuela and Chile is that Chile is a cuck to US corporations to the point of selling their own people and culture and leaving every power they got to these US multinationals, meanwhile Venezuela got these corporations on a strict leash like China and uses their money to gain tax revenue and jobs to fuel their own geopolitical aspects which are directly against the US

The difference is that Venezuela keeps shooting on their own foots.

You forgot one thing pal. Venezuela barely produces anything.
Also the "strict leash" that Venezuela has been using also depleted their own priivate corporations. Why don't you have a small read of "El Dakazo", the eternal interfences to Polar (main producer of alimentary products in Venezuela) or all the small business that they expropiated then abandon because they were so inneficient to run them?

Saying: "Fuck off gringos de mierda" means shit when the next thing they do is running to them and sell them cheap oil to give them the little foreign exchange they will earn and misuse. Chaves and Maduro destroyed Venezuela completely. It's even a worse disaster than us in the 80's.

And btw, Chile has private corporations.

Hey mate I am not defending Maduro or Venezuela, I am just saying it is a loss to the US. If venezuela is aiming to become communistic so be it, I think it will be easier to deal with them being commie than being a US-puppet like Chile
>Chile has private corporations
And none of them are national corporations

Brazilians are dumber than chinks

This isn't the freaking 70's, alright?
Nobody gives two rat asses if Venezuela goes communist. But if they do, the only who will suffer is the people of Venezuela, not the goverment. Because it will be Cuba-like communism, where you can't do shit. Not own a phone, not using the internet for getting some material for your every-day jack off, not being able to buy a car or buy more food or just move when you like to do it. I bet you'll love to live in such a utopia, you socialist fruit.

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It's funny cause you are now disregarding the fact that you said they were making deals with the US to simply say communism is bad. Communism as in the 70s is dead, what now exists is strong nationalist government vs weak globalist government. And since Venezuela got one of the major reserves in the world it either goes full cuck or full nationalistic, there is no middle term because of geopolitics. Just look at every oil major player at the world. Also look at every single one of those national companies in Chile, I highly doubt there is one that is Copper based or a major player in the world. Also most of them are either in a holding of foreign investors like LatAm and others, they sold themselves at low price at the expense of having access to the US and EU market, despite having the biggest copper reserve in the world. They could have been a Copper version of Norway in South America but Pinochet happened

>it either goes full cuck or full nationalistic, there is no middle term because of geopolitics
Maybe in your epic Victoria II games but the world is way more complicated than you think. Venezuela have the biggest reserves of oil on the world yet they falling is going to be more like a regional crisis than a world crisis. Production is never constant and Venezuela's petroleum exports are declining because inneficiency, nothing more, nothing less. They even has to import oil to improve the quality of theirs because Socialist goverment destroyed the industry.

And you're seriously telling me that Venezuela is full nationalistic? While sucking Russia's, China's and even US's dicks to buy their petroleum at a cheap ass price. They even recently sold a lot of actions of PDVSA to Goldman Sachs. For what you ask? To buy food? To improve their defficient industry? To fight the crime? No, arm the civiliams that are pro-regime.

>I highly doubt there is one that is Copper based or a major player in the world
Codelco, look at it. "I don't know" doesn't mean "it doesn't exist"

And if Chile is screwed right now is because their stupid-ass contracts yes. This happened to them in the 30's with the nitrates too. But they don't did it exclusively to US and EU, they also did with China.

Historically this region always was like that and this is one of the biggest reasons why we're still struck on poverty. I have to agree with you with that, but only that. Because you're socialist superheros did not change anything, as a matter of fact they just embraced it to earn some more cheap and quick money.

>And you're seriously telling me that Venezuela is full nationalistic?
Yes, since maduro is sacrificing everything to keep himself in power, even his own population and economy. Nationalism has to do with having power, and since maduro still is in power despite the odds, yes they are nationalistic. In the end the US supports a global project of globalization with them on top, and for that to happen it needs governments like Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Syria and others to collapse and become subservient to them. Selling your oil to arm pro-regime civilians is against that project

>Because you're socialist superheros did not change anything, as a matter of fact they just embraced it to earn some more cheap and quick money.
lol if anything Socialist Superheroes did more to this country than any Capitalist superhero did

You can be nationalistic without opression. Opression can happen in any type of regime. You don't seem to know very well the definition of nationalism other than "Mein kampf" or stupid bullshit-tier theories or retarded Sup Forums opinions.

>lol if anything Socialist Superheroes did more to this country than any Capitalist superhero did
Good for you, keep moving the tail to Russia and China but remember that just changing the master doesn't make you a free dog.

So this is Brazilian education

>You can be nationalistic without opression.
In this day of internet and full on propagandist media? Especially in a hotspot country like Venezuela? m8, freedom nowadays is basically a buzzword, misinformation and thought control is everywhere, if anything knowing you are being controlled is better than being controlled without knowing, because at least you know it. And if anything having people defending the US/Globalization in a anonymous playground is the perfect place for doing so. You are really naive to believe anyone is truly "free" nowadays.
>Good for you, keep moving the tail to Russia and China but remember that just changing the master doesn't make you a free dog.
If anything China and Russia at least respect our cultural differences and our sovereignty, while the US doesn't and wants us forever their puppet

Yep, retarded Sup Forums opinions alright.
Have a good life.

have you ever read Snowden files my friend?

From what I understand, looking at brazil at least, majority of latin american politicians are more concern with thieving as much as it is possible and even more if they know their ass is safe no matter what political ideology they seem to be spewing about.

Wont that bring the rest of the world down, too, though?

literally half of those things have nothing to do with the us and the other half have been happening for years

wishful thinking if ive ever seen it. Not to mention that your own country is shifting to the right following this

>he honestly believes Brazilian people read the news or won't vote Lula in 2018
you don't know us my friend

i'll believe it when I see it. Even left leaning us news sources are reporting that your left are fucked

No matter who you vote, they will still steal anything not bolted down anyway.

If that was true you wouldn't even care spying on us or couping us

The mongrels at Sup Forums wouldn't defend a communist state now, wouldn't they?

>you wouldn't even care spying on
we spy on anything from our own citizens, to all worthless shitholes. How we use that information it is another matter.
>couping us

If we are, seems like a massive waste, your fellow crook politicians seem to be doing a better job at causing political turmoil.

That's not gonna happen

North Korea really isn't even communist anyway, they're more like NatSoc.

A loser socialist mentality + le epic Sup Forums nazi ideology + europa universalis = that guy

Are you mad or just can't handle arguments?

Ah yes, it's not like you basically spied only two head of states, the brazilian and german president

It will be nice if you present some for a change.

Why does Sup Forums always want our downfall? ;_;

Because the politics has become extremely polarized and each side is has dug into the trenches on issues and refuses to yield. The country is roughly 50/50 left vs. right. We are so weak because we are so divided.

I think this is the start of a long period of stagnation for the US that will last far beyond Trump's term assuming things don't get violent first of course.

m8, we elected a guy deputy with the most votes in the country that is in interpol's wanted list. His election motto was "I steal but I do". Now imagine a widely considered by most brazilians "the best president in history" which left office with 87% of approval being deemed the most popular president on earth returning. You don't know us, also even Glenn Greenwald said he bets he will win the election

I did my friend here
You disregarded as Sup Forums bullshit which clearly isn't, because most of pol is basically braindead americans that support trump and muh white race and shit, which I haven't stated one time in my arguments

I already told you, we. We spy on everyone, as everyone does. The biggest difference is we got caught and also, vast majority of info is useless shit no one gives a fuck about.

Also, again, enjoy giving your money to your next round of politicians.

glenn greenwald is a faggot

kek

>We spy on everyone, as everyone does.
Ah yes, clearly everyone got access to metadata worldwide being decrypted by supercomputers with the help of semiconductors high-industries/internet and technology like Intel/AMD, microsoft, apple, facebook, whatsapp and others. I mean every country got clearly access to those haha

the thing is even if he is voted in he will still be barred from public office if his appeal fails; and the fate of his appeal is not determined by the public. Also comparing a deputy which I assume is a largely local affair to a president is a large stretch.

Again, I admit that I dont know much about Brazilian politics outside of the news articles that I read but I will believe it when I see it.

if they did, they would be the dumbest motherfuckers in the planet to not use it.

>the thing is even if he is voted in he will still be barred from public office if his appeal fails; and the fate of his appeal is not determined by the public.
nah he won't because he will have presidential imunity, what could happen is the regional federal judges impossibilitate him from participate of the election if they deem him guilty for the second time before the election registration which is in August 2018, which would right on the usual deadline for them to judge. Until then Lula is free to do whatever he wants, including doing campaign
Well now imagine being dumb enough to use it and let it leak it worldwide, I mean it's not like it would damage their reputation forever or anything haha. I mean every country in the world has this aggressive diplomatic stance america does of espionage and destruction for wealth and profit

so members of your public office have immunity to ongoing investigations? Ive never heard of this. In fact even the NYT, and NPR, very left leaning US news sources, specifically say that he would be barred from public office if convicted

>I mean every country in the world has this aggressive diplomatic stance america does of espionage
of course they do, just ask russia, china, kikeland, iran, best korea, etc. No one plays a fair game in global politics. If you think there are innocent countries not trying to fuck each other or their neighbors for their benefit, you are one gullible idiot.

>destruction for wealth and profit
China is pretty much going colonial power 2.0 in africa. They are exploiting the living shit out of their natural resources, the difference is that they give good scraps to the people in power in said african countries compared to the ye old times.

>so members of your public office have immunity to ongoing investigations?
yeap, they can only be judged by the Supreme Court which is appointed by politicians, hence why corruption is everywhere;

Glenn Greenweld is the most hyprocitical journalist of our time; turning a blind eye to non-western/socialist human rights violations and corruption and portraying the West as having the worst human rights records in the world.

>No one plays a fair game in global politics. If you think there are innocent countries not trying to fuck each other or their neighbors for their benefit, you are one gullible idiot.
yeah and since we and latin america are part of this? If anything you guys basically just said fuck you we do whatever we want without even doing a thing to you. We don't have this aggressive stance of yours and your enemies

>Greenwald has also been critical of the New Atheist movement, accusing Sam Harris and others within the movement he accuses of anti-Muslim animus
Fucking christ, the guy is a faggot and is defending Muslims. You can't make this shit up.

that does not mean they have immunity. that just means that your supreme court decides their fate. If your president is somehow pardoned after being caught red handed then you have far larger problems than the US does.

Again, I'll believe it when I see it because even American leftists which jump at every opportunity to downplay right wing victories around the world dont have much hope for him.

>If your president is somehow pardoned after being caught red handed then you have far larger problems than the US does.
we literally pardoned Temer with a recording asking for bribes my friend. Also lula hasn't got one substancial evidence against him but circumstancial, hence why it's ridiculous beliving a conviction by the Supreme Court.
>I'll believe it when I see it because even American leftists which jump at every opportunity to downplay right wing victories around the world dont have much hope for him.
Wnat gives more money to newspapers? Normalize the situation and say everything is under control or give them more fuel to dispair and chaos? To understand this you need to get into media mentality my friend. Also people here in Brazil don't read newspapers and watch television as much as you do, thank god

if that turns out to be true you have far worse problems to deal with than the US does. The sheer fact that you are glad that your own countrymen are willfully ignorant speaks volumes about yourself and your country.

I genuinely hope that doesnt turn out to be the case. Not even the worst locales in the US could get away with electing someone with blatant corruption charges brought against them

I would rather be ignorant and follow my culture than be misinformed and follow Globalist US-trends. If anything the poverty of my country gives strength for our culture to survive and not simply become media-controlled country like the US or EU countries. Having a hyprocritical state that basically says fuck you we are in power is better and we do whatever we want is better than having one that pretends that it isn't power just to fool people, at least that is what I think. In the end power dictates the world, and having knowledge of the real truth is better than having knowledge of a false truth

>the US, biggest client for Venezuelan oil stops buying it
>shills for shale
>forces congress to pass fracking approval
>buys remaining needs for oil from lapdog saudis
>venezuela has noone else to sell oil to, save maybe Europe, but they get cheaper oil through Russia and ME, same for China

Venezuela's one advantage over Saudis and Russians is that they're right next to the US. Piss them off, Venezuela has no more income, and they have to import lots of shit they can't manufacture locally. So they either industrialize heavily with non existing funds, or turn into a complete and absolute shithole, unable to buy spare for their military. Add social unrest, and a commie Venezuela will turn into NK 2.0: Now with no nukes

You would rather have a power system, openly corrupt and working against the best interests of its citizens, rather than one that had mutually beneficial friendly ties to the West. That is genuinely bizarre.

death to america. death to europe. death to the west.

money isn't everything my friend, happiness doesn't come with profit, but here in brazil comes with sharing moments with the people you love and battling for it even in poverty and ignorance. Existence is better than having everything comfortably readily made for you. What's the point of living if you got no challenges? Hence why Brazilians would rather see our country thriving in our own corrupt way than in a West-friendly way that replaces your own ways. Basically Russia, China and every anti-globalization country feels that way too

>What's the point of living if you got no challenges?
A fine philosophy to advocate crippling worldwide poverty. Of course, you are ignoring that nearly all countries that top world happiness indexes are Western, and that Russia is regularly featured at the bottom (as is reflected by many Russian posters on Sup Forums)

They can't even sell it anymore, majority of their ships haven't been maintained at all and are stuck in ports (by law they can't leave ports because their shit ships would break halfway out of the port and oil would spill everything) and their state company is completely incompetent at managing that it has been become harder and harder to get oil.

>Of course, you are ignoring that nearly all countries that top world happiness indexes are Western
Ah yes, indexes and Sup Forums are the accurate representation of reality, now that is some misinformation my friend, it reminds me of what CIA usually does :) Especially if you see that those happiness indexes sure don't have a way to say wealth = happiness to support Western Countries. Happiness is subjective to the core my friend. Hence why this globalist ideal of having your base needs supplied = happiness is failing to the point of undermining US hegemony worldwide. The main base of the capitalist system is failing because people that follow these kind of profit-related ideology are basically nihilistic to the core and addicted to this easy and thoughtless endorphine peaks, just like fapping to porn instead of actually getting a real relationship, or watching fake media that appeals to their desires instead of ruthless reality that revamps their own mind. Poverty stricken countries different from rich ones deal with the reality of the world each and everyday and that gives them a sense of an objective in life, be it by ignorance or just sheer perseverance and strength

What a predictable and boring response; a whole paragraph to write about absolutely nothing. Now apparently, measures on international happiness are are CIA subversion program. Of course, you are ignoring the whole premise of economic migrants; people from poorer countries moving to wealthier ones in search of greater opportunities, and by extension, happiness. I have been to shitholes all over the world, but the most unhappy people I have met by far were Indians in the slums of Mumbai. What a suprise, they were also the poorest people I have ever met. The funny thing is, you talk about cultures and capitalism eroding those cultures, when socialism philosophy tries to do it more so. Take Russia, where the Soviets took over and churches were demolished, religion was banned, and other architecture with historical significance were destroyed. Or China, after the Communists took over, where thousands of years of history relating to imperial dynasties were destroyed in the name of communism. There is no more culture sapping force in this world than Communism.

>losing at syria
Realizing that removing Assad is pants on head retarded is not "losing at Syria"
>Venezuela is on the brink of becoming Cuba 2.0
Venezuela is collapsing into anarchy, it has little to do with America. It's been Cuba 2.0 for some time.
>Latin America is probably going to face another commie anti-US tide in the next elections
So? It swings back and forth. Who cares anyway? It doesn't affect us.
>Russia does whatever they want and are outsmarting them on every front
They are playing the dick waving game that they've played since the late 1940s. We both have the power to destroy each other but they will bankrupt themselves again trying to compete with us since they cannot produce economically like we can
>North Korea unironically jokes with US incompetence
You mean how all our recent missile intercepting tests have been successful and their's have often ended in failure? That incompetence?
>Every single US ally is either facing deep economic and social problems or terrorist attacks
There own fault really for inviting subhumans who hate the host country's way of life by the boatloads to their countries.

When bull at last pull out his cock from world's hole it's not already downfall.

>Of course, you are ignoring the whole premise of economic migrants; people from poorer countries moving to wealthier ones in search of greater opportunities, and by extension, happiness.
Ah yes, they are so happy to live in another country they actually only live in an ethnic ghetto, disregard the local culture or even support terrorist groups. You can clearly see the integration going on in Western Europe and North America. They are clearly treated as normal citizens it's not like they are special and forever treated as second hand citizens.
>Take Russia, where the Soviets took over and churches were demolished, religion was banned, and other architecture with historical significance were destroyed. Or China, after the Communists took over, where thousands of years of history relating to imperial dynasties were destroyed in the name of communism. There is no more culture sapping force in this world than Communism.
kek I didn't even bring communism into debate and you simply brought into debate, it's not a dichtomy my friend. I am just saying that nowadays, globalism is basically pushing nihilism and decadence to point of people needing so much a spiritual guide or an objective in life to the point of even denying the current status quo and even electing as an example Trump to "Make America Great Again"

jej thats true
our corruption goes beyond the highest seats of government. It goes from friends of the mayor putting their kids in small public charges to the mayor employing his own people to the traditional parties making efforts to keep this traditional party state
all from the smallest shithead to the biggest baller earn money that don't justify the amount of work they do. Literally everyone knows but no one complains because we all have some relative in a small public position

Funny that you assume all economic migrants are Muslim immigrants. This demonstrates your complete lack of global awareness. For instance, Australia has received, through its history. many migrants from Italy, Greece, Vietnam, India and China. All have been fine regarding cultural integration. But it really is besides the point. If they didn't believe it was in their best interests to migrate to the more economically prosperous nation, then they wouldn't have done so in the first place.
>globalism
Who is talking about globalism? Favourable relations with the West does not equal globalism. I agree with you on the importance of each nation to maintain their history and culture. But you are advocating for a solution to completely reject all trade relations, thus impoverishing your citizens, in order to "stick it" to the US. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face, and is detrimental for all concerned.

>Favourable relations with the West does not equal globalism.
Favourable relations with the West is basically submit or die trying, there is no middle ground. It's basically accept our protestant capitalist culture or basically have your image and economy ruined and your presidents couped until you accept it's the only way to do it. Hence why it's easy for you to say this because you are from a country which basically follow the West paradigm, which Latin America and other BRIC and G20 nations does not. To be on favourable terms with the West is basically selling all our industry, disrupt our worker's legislation, sell all of our commodities and become an unequal and poverty-driven economy submitted to multinationals interests until we accepted that the protestant capitalist nihilistic culture is the only way to exist. That is globalization, it's basically to undermine every global cultural difference to the point of creating a globe controlled by corporations and the capitalist mentality, and hence why it's failing because some countries are stepping up to it and the people inside the globalist leading economies are losing faith in their own ideals

This. Oil is literally all they have and their main client by large is unironically Burgerland.

They've spent the last 20 years mismanaging their corrupted af oil industry, using the export revenues to fund chavismo gimmedats and developing fucking zero industrial or services sector alternatives to the oil.

10/10 retards and thiefs.

And it's not even a matter of ideology.

At least Cuba, with waaaay less resources, money and market opportunities than Venezuela managed to start up a bio-technology-medical sector and his making inroads into tourism, IT and agro exports.

The only thing that can stop The US is ourselves

>But you are advocating for a solution to completely reject all trade relations,

So is USA, btw. Sure Brasil is a protectionist country but USA isn't that far behind and it clearly intends under Trump to increase even further that protectionism and isolationism. That's part of the reason why he was elected.

Australia's main economic partners are ASEAN countries and especially the Chinese to the point that you are essentially their natural resources kitchen store.

I don't where did you get all this pontificating about 'le open up for le trade with ''le west'', user' (whatever 'le west' is in your mind) but coming from you or Murica, the meme-o-meter goes out of scale.

>If that was true
Of course it is fucking true. Ask any latin american country if they really don't believe their politicians are thieving rats.

>Venezuela is on the brink of becoming Cuba 2.0

That would be a massive fucking improvement of quality of life you stupid fucking retards. Cuba has managed to not collapse despite being embargoed by the largest economy in the world (which happens to be their closest neighbor). Meanwhile Venezuela is a shithole ran by an incompetent retard who managed to fuck up having the largest oil reserves in the world. Venezuela isn't even close to "becoming Cuba" and won't be any time in the next decade. The only thing Venezuela is close to "becoming" is an even bigger shithole.

Yes, that would destroy the world's economy and it will not happen.

>Trump
>isolationism
LOLno.

>le too big to fail suck it world xD