What the hell is their problem?

What the hell is their problem?

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They think celebrities are supposed to represent them.

What did Taylor Swift even do? I don't recall her being political at all, presumably because she doesn't want to alienate anyone and lose sales. Is THAT why all these rags are whining? Because she hasn't commented on le drumpf yet so they're doing the "silence is oppression" thing?

everybody below this line is gay

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They're just marketing themselves to the average Sup Forums numale.

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everyone above this line is gay

even ignoring all Sup Forums shit i can't believe this man exists simply because of his fucking giraffe neck

Whatever, queer

it's just dumb people writing dumb articles

Taylor Swift is a white pop icon who is staying silent in the face of fascism and white supremacy in the white house. It is her duty to denounce it or she is effectively an icon for the white supremacist movement and fellow traveler as she is enabling their rise.

yikes

I listen to rap because I want to be black

i mean they got a point some black girl in the ghetto isn't going to "get" taylor swift much like some white suburban dude wont truly "get" a trap rap artist. doesnt mean you still cant enjoy the music.

You joke but Sup Forums and Richard Spencers have been memeing her as some sort of "white icon" for a while now.

richard spencer also called depeche mode the band of the alt right and they made this song that's as anti racism as you can get
youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4

doesn't mean shit he's just some queer into 80s pop and female pop stars who says these things for attention

How should white people consume the work of our colored icons once we've realized they don't really represent us?
Segregation I guess.

do they honestly want segregation? they always whine about "cultural appropriation" and "whitesplaining". what do they want?

woah cool it with the homophobic language.

They've also been memeing Beyonce as a Black Panther icon that is a puppet of the elite powers to manipulate the youth into subservience.
Doesn't make it true.

>implying only homosexuals can be considered queer
You're part of the problem you fucking faggot

Black supremacy unironically.

>what do they want?
No more whites.

This is just like that racial existential crisis I went through when I realized I like jazz. I couldn't eat or sleep for weeks until I finished reorganizing my entire worldview just so I could listen to fucking trumpets.

dude, what?

Is this MLK's dream?

>Pitchfork
Why do brown people need representation? Why does anyone need representation? My favourite artists don't represent me, I just connect with their music.

black people are weirdly obsessed with seeing other blacks in entertainment.

>racial existential crisis

what's wrong with this?

who the fuck cares what race the person is in the movie just watch it if its good or not there's no need to force black people into movies about the roman empire or as james bond

Wow its almost like the vast majority of protagonist characters in movies have been white for the entirety of Hollywood and it'd be nice for black kids to have someone to relate to

Who gives a shit about hollywood if you're that insecure i dont know what to say. There are plenty of movies starring black characters as the lead. How many Asian leads do you see? They're out there. Guess what, in America the majority of people were white for almost the entirety of history so the roles reflected that. It would make sense for a country of mostly white people to have movies starring mostly white people.

>relate to
Why do they need to relate to a black person?
Why do they need to relate to any movie character or musician?
I've never watched a movie or listened to music and thought "woah that person is white just like me, I like them and want to be just like them because they are white and so am I"
It's this weird tribalism that I din't know existed until the HollywoodSoWhite nonsense

>How is it possible to appreciate art from a perspective that's ~different~ from the one I grew up with???!?!??!11111

Why are their lives so devoid of real role models that they have kick and scream until kikes in Hollywood acquiesce to their demands?

didn't know we had nazis in here

good argument

Didn't answer my question faggot

this is pretty problematic i'm going have to politely ask you to delete this or i will report you to the campus diversity office

do you or do you not believe black lives matter?

Hey guys I'm so fucking retarded that I can't relate to someone with different colored skin than me.

>relating to your oppressors

ayy
yall nazis always the ones who go on about how "different" every race is from each other and how blacks need to "Assimilate" its asinine America spits on us put us in chains put us in warsaw ghettos for 100+ years put crack in our communities just to stop communist uprisings call us animals every day and now you have the gall to ignore that and ask us to try to "come together". think a bit about history and respect. history runs through my veins. i dont forget what yall did to emmitt till or my great grandfather. fuck yall

Fuck your history.

But if other blacks enslaved you it's ok, right?

I don't recall voting for the CIA to run intra-national drug dealing campaigns against our own citizens. Matter of fact, most whites that I know (like me!) are aware that our intelligence agencies aren't trustworthy and have committed shitty crimes against nation in the past. Feel free to stay ignorant though.

And, history is exactly that, history. It's happened. Why not look ahead instead of looking back to things to never happened to you?

wut

this thread needed to happen

how divisive it is for our media to be doing this and how sad it is for people to be so childish and superficial to buy into this race-baiting bullshit, especially in music of all things.

when you start picking and choosing artists based on skin color you succumb to the racism you found so morally reprehensible

black people have to wake up from this spell of cultural marxism and reject it entirely. its the only hope

Good one user

Most individual black people have no problem enjoying white media, they just get pressure from black culture to keep to their own people because that's a problem they have. Its nice to see some outsider black artists get more attention lately.

>honestly believe a true, mutual respect between all American cultures would do wonders for our nation
>the predominant narrative is ironically one of segregation

O well

i listen to jpegmafia and miles davis and im an autistic white kid from orange county and they'd probably call me a fag but i just like music so i don't give a shit if it's "relatable" or not

While it is true that the majority of the population was white when america began there was already a large black population by the time most visual media was created the fact that majority of movies haven't had black characters that are just as important as the white characters shows a problem within the media.

You can say black people are all insecure fine but remember when your a kid and you see some action hero on tv that's cool right? but then you see an absence of anyone who looks like you in a role like that its gonna bum you out at least.

And while it is fair to say that there are some movies with black characters as the lead you cannot deny that it is nowhere near a number to be representative hence the whole Oscars trouble a few years back that showed for most respected movie roles black people were not seen.

>the government made me do crack
lol, y'all make sure you keep voting for the big government party though

white power

So being a white person black people don't represent me, therefore it's fine for me to just listen to neofolk and martial industrial right? Nothing problematic with that

There's nothing wrong with it anyway

we could start respecting each other when people acknowledge their history and past and present misdeeds. they sweep what's going on even today and the stereotyping and bias and very real coded language and "lowkey" segregation.
sure ofc ill listen to white artists but to act like black kids watching some white guy in a movie about white experiences in a white neighborhood are going to be as inspired than if it was a movie about a black kid you are kidding yrself
you cant ignore the ignorance and attitude of prejudice in many americans and interwoven in america's culture. it's real it's there we have to to discuss it frankly and make efforts. black people need media for them and businesses of their own so they can make it on their own and not rely on white welfare or pity or attempts to make us act just like you. we are our own people, you've given us a p bad deal in a lot of ways over the years, we want to build ourselves up but it's difficult there are many barriers still in place. it's a long conversation but it's one many well off white people need to have and think about deeper. think about experiences of others it's a big broad country with many diverse cultures and peoples trying to coexist, but one culture is trying to make it more homogenous and force us to become all alike and join into the greater hivemind. the larger, white anglo hivemind. we dont want that, we want our own shit. liberals AND conservatives do this in many ways, they want you to be part of their society, we want to peacefully coexist but not be submerged if im making sense we can work together but we want shit of our own speaking to US and OUR EXPERIENCES we have different culture history values everything and our own unique tradition and blood. being black is something to be proud of, and it should be.

Feeling marginalized by nearly every industry tends to make people feel left out im not saying that only black people should be in media only a representative sample similar to the actual population.

And the relation is important just because you think your above relating to someone doesn't mean everyone kids and adults dont deserve someone to relate to to tie them in closer to the medium and inspire them.

You ever read books nigger?

Nietzsche already explained black people.

Its called slave morality

>Masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master-morality with their slave-morality. Unlike master morality which is sentiment, slave morality is based on re-sentiment—devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as 'good'.

He doesn't have to answer your question because your obviously not here to have a discussion just call people names and make strawmen

almost every artist in popular music is black and there is one white chick singing country and she has to go?

I would agree with you if you were arguing for an -accurate- representation of blacks in media/music, but proportionally speaking, what we have today is far from it and I assume you are trying to argue to skew it even further by eliminating even more white people from media and the arts.

Not to mention that the whole idea of looking at these artists through the murky lense of race is by definition racist to begin with...

thats why it's hard for anyone to show any empathy for such a racist world view, yet everywhere you have black people screetching to implement it...

you cant make this shit up if you tried... what a paradox

Blacks are 13% of the population, Asians are 5%. I see far more black movies than Asian movies, but are they proportionate to the population? I really don't know. Do blacks star in 13% of the movies put out per year? Should we mandate every movie fulfill a 13% black cast and 5% asian quota to properly represent america's diversity?

Well, isn't asking a question part of a discussion?

>when people acknowledge their history
Please don't tell me you take memes this seriously. Do you unot nderstand how large the collective guilt of the mass is regarding black oppression? That shit has been rammed down the throats of the white populace since forever, and you have to remember that most people never agreed with slavery at all; a hot subject of the civil war.

I don't know why I'm bothering to type all this out. I'm white, but my family came here way after slavery. I think this just seems lazy.

I don't see why we shouldn't.
Dude fuck off with this reactionary shit
Music isn't majority black, only hip hop is. There's still a lot of rock and country in the charts. Music may be the one field where blacks have some proportionate representation, but where are the black movies and why aren't they getting as much respect from Oscars?

you can't ignore the context of history in the context of the black situation today and many of you do that and try to claim racism is invalid because it was "ancient history" and that the barriers we have in place are not real. you participate in a system of institutionalized white supremacy in a lot of ways. there have been efforts made to reduce it slowly but steadily over the years but it still largely exists. look give black people the tools they need to succeed and they will succeed, but the current united states system does not want to provide this. many examples i could get into

What do you want?

Please give examples

How do you feel about Affirmative Action?

that's what I was wondering. if it is a problem the only way to implement it would be to make a whole government agency dedicated solely to policing art (movies and music) and make sure it's divided up proportional to society. Which would be expensive as well as...well, stupid. And potentially stifle creativity.

Whats the end goal? At what point will you be okay with being black?

>potentially

If you notice through my comment I was referencing movies and other visual mediums since that is the post I commented on.

I agree to your point when it comes to music there does need to be more of a accurate display of all ethnicity in music especially with the discrepancy in hip-hop towards black people.

The issue is your assuming my opinions before I even have a chance to voice them, black people have a very loud voice in the music industry so loud that they have done massive damage for white people entering a genre similar to rock in the past decades black people should understand that everyone gets an equal seat around the musical table and as I was saying in my last comment black people should be allotted the same space in other spaces in media

Also seeing how racism is effecting the world and calling it out to be more equal is the complete opposite of the racism that your assuming of me.

pop culture only promoting negative stereotypes about blacks (maury the modern minstrel show, illiterate gang rappers, animalistic brute, criminal, etc)
lack of funding to schools lowering education standards
war on drugs designed to target black communities
harsher prison sentences then no hiring rule for felons (drug possession = felon, poor people sell drugs if they cant make money any other way)
difficulty to start small business and allowing entrepreneurship in the black community to flourish
put blacks in ghettos and low cost housing and creating a culture of welfare dependency
attempts to correct dialect and disparage black vernacular as improper english
attempting to try to speak from the black point of view and say concerns are invalid without understanding the black experience
step in the right direction

we want you to leave us the fuck alone and stop trying to get in our way allow us to succeed instead of designing a system meant to keep us shackled in a less blunt overt subversive way.

oh yeah also google history of GOP, the party in power right now. "southern strategy", nixon etc...all im saying is those alabama trailer trash arent voting republican for their economic policy boy

I mean, I'm white and me saying this is like, "who the fuck cares everyone looks like me"
So of course it's not an issue that has ever crossed my mind, if someone not like me wants something I already have, sure, so be it

On the TS thing, what the fuck. Let people like TS or hate her

you covet the things the master likes and since you cant have them you insult them and put them down. This is black people basically.
That is black "culture".

regardless of what white people like is actually good or not, you put it down because you feel you are oppressed.

And so black people create rap which promoted the oppiste values of things which white people or normal humans value.


Black people think they are innovators or whatever.

But their basic cultural mode is based off still being mental slaves

The Marxist college blacks are the worse ones

part of one

Do you think other blacks realize whites are literally trying their best to accommodate these sentiments? No matter what we do, there's new news about insufficient tolerance. I simply don't get it.

white supremacy in action here folks

kindly kill yourself

you could do better by getting rid of them because almost all of this stuff is the result of the government or everyday behavior

No but the fact that we have never reached anywhere close to those levels shows a problem of inherent racism in society that needs to be dealt with

Sorry, self-genocide isn't in my dialect. Wow!

stopping these things "isn't self genocide"
lowkey nazi shit

Weird, I didn't reply to that guy. Wow!

That's not specific. How are you being held down? How is Jayz being held down? How are the figures in media that are black being held down? How is colin kaepernick being held down?

...and how is that Taylor Swifts fault?

What do you want? At what point will you be satisfied with living in america as a black person?

You say white people have held you down, or the "system" has been designed against you. It's life my dude. It's designed against all of us. Not everything is fair, it's not supposed to be. The struggle is what makes you stronger. The black struggle is why many artists in music are stronger and more resilient... its what gave value to their art. To see a person come up from nothing and make it into something is inspiring. Thats the appeal of hip hop.

But what will it take to make things equal? To defeat this "system"? What do you want? Do you want a new form of government? What is it? Communism? Socialism? What is the key? Do you want 50% white people and 50% black people? Do you want more wealth? Is that what its about? What percentage of wealth should 13% of our population have, based SOLELY on their skin color? Do you want less cops? Cops with no guns? More cops? Less white cops and more black cops?

Do you want your own state? Wyoming? Nebraska? Maybe you like it more warm, like Florida? Or NY? Do you want your own country? Do you want the whole country? When are black people gonna be okay with the shit that happened before they were born (but they swear they are feeling the effects of?)

Do you want all blacks released from jail? Lighter charges for blacks? Anything we do is gonna be racist. All of this is racist as fuck. What is your solution?

to complain, because no matter what you do, it'll never be enough

we want more opportunity to gain wealth, less barriers in our way, and to not be treated like third class citizens. we want the ability to thrive on our own and create a prosperous black culture and community without having to rely on white culture or hegemony. we want our own neighborhoods, cities, areas, businesses, people, and culture. we tried "coexist" it didn't work. we can work together for business and bond if we have a genuine bond but for the most part i think it is best if we stay with our own but give black people the opportunity to build themselves up instead of artificially holding them back through your system.

You want segregation but with free shit from the white government and the ability to marry white girls. Fuck off.

>leftists who don't understand that white supremacy is a sociopolitical doctrine and not "white people being good at things or otherwise being the majority"

Have you considered Africa?

Honestly not an objectively stupid choice. The Chinese are literally purchasing the entire continent.

whatever, offset

I am brown (spic) and like Taylor Swift. Am I a race traitor?

The left is extraordinarily racist, they don't even realize it. Their very definition of "white privilege" is racist -- the idea that white people have advantages over other people entirely *by virtue of their skin color* is the definition of racism.

>we want more opportunity to gain wealth
So better schools? Well funny you should say that, if you look at the population distribution of blacks, typically they live in districts that are controlled by liberal democrats. Not only that, they are the ones that overwhelmingly vote them in.

>not to be treated like third class citizens

Sorry, cant help you there. People treat others how they want so long as they don't break the law or harm you physically. Nothing white people can do about this.

>we want our own neighborhoods, cities, areas, businesses, people, and culture
So basically segregation?

>but give black people the opportunity to build themselves up instead of artificially holding them back through your system.

You still haven't elaborated on this. How are you being held back? What has happened in your life or the life of someone you know that was a result of some systematic racism?

this
white people are hung up on petty shit like "is this popstar who has never done anything racist a racist?," meanwhile china's making moves and pseudo-colonizing a continent.

Imagine being strange enough to think that you can't relate to someon else's words in something as general as mainstream songwriting because they don't look like you. Imagine GIVING ENOUGH OF A FUCK TO WRITE AN ARTICLE, BUT NOT WRITE YOUR OWN MUSIC.

I don't see the problem at all. It's a personal story of a woman who feels conflicted at loving a white pop star whose projection of beauty dominates much of what we see in the media. The article was not a condemnation of Swift. It wasn't a critique of people who love Swift. It wasn't even telling people of colour to not listen to Swift. It was an introspective account of what it's like to be a brown person who exists in a society that promotes people like Swift and ignores people like her, and how loving Swift's identity and music so much can have a massively alienating effect.

I repeat: the article doesn't criticise Swift in the slightest. People who are defending Swift because of this article didn't bother to read it. People who upset about this article are doing so in spite of the fact that nobody was being criticised or targeted in it. It's one of the least offensive "political" articles I've read in the last year.