There are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually refuse to listen to any hip-hop

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually refuse to listen to any hip-hop

literally why?

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why would i want to listen to songs about fucking whores when I can just watch porn instead?

please tell me you're under eighteen

Because 99.9% is pure trash and I'm sick of suffering through shit only to find a little nugget once every century

I used to be a huge hip-hop head. I know all the artists from the golden era until now. I consienciously made the decision to stop listening to any of this year, as I see how black people react to white people in their culture. Since they don't want anything to do with us, and see us as inferior, I decided I don't want to do anything with them.

This doesn't mean I won't be listening to people like Danny Brown, though, or other artists who aren't vocal on politics, social, race. Those "conscious" rappers like Talib Kweli are just the worst.

t. hip-hop head since the age of 2

You're supposed to respect or relate to the lives of the rappers you listen to. I would rather kill myself than respect someone like Drake on any level

I'm not white lol

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually refuse to listen to any dance music (NO lcd soundsystem & aphex twin doesn't count!)

literally why?

because a lot of it is boring. Aphex Twin isn't boring. Hope I enlightened you.

You just have to know how to distinguish acceptable hip-hop from reddip-hop. An example of an acceptable hip-hop artist is Kanye West. An example of a reddip-hop artist is Kendrick Lamar.

i don't resonate with what they talk about in the music i prefer instrumentals

people only listen to one or two shitty pop rap songs they heard on the radio and assume it's all like that

I barely listen to hip hop because despite being a genre that can be so diverse and chock full of a variety of different ideas, it often restricts itself way too much to take advantage of the potential the genre actually has. Depending on your perspective, in that way it's actually a pretty good indicator of black people oppression or black people lack of intellectual/or creative capacity.

What's there to relate to? What great album has hip-hop or rap ever given us? There's no ITAOTS or Sgt Pepper of hip-hop. Just a bunch of fags like Kanye or Drake who are unrelatable unless your a soy-boy millionaire. Also anyone who marries a Kardashian should be burned alive.

Because black ""culture"" is manufactured garbage

A lot of it is low IQ chimp out shit that doesn't add anything good to my life. Artists like Shabazz Palaces are diamonds in the rough so I don't discount the genre altogether, but most of it is garbage.

I simply cannot see the point of listening to american niggers who rhymes to shitty instrumentals more often than not is not even made by themselves

Nice meme argument

Doesn't that description fit a lot of genres
MBDTF

>complains about soyboys
>ITAOTS or Sgt Pepper

t. insecure whitie

Because then I might get called a cuck

>pppppppproooooojjjjjjeeeeccccctttttttiiinnnnnnggggttttttthhhhhhiiiisssssshhhhhhhaaaaarrrrrrrddddd

white european culture has produce countless musical masterpieces there's no need to feel any insecurity whatsoever

I dont hate the genre or dismiss it, i like to listen every once in a while.
The problem that i dont like is how narcissistic and repetetive it is some times.
I swear no other genre speaks more about themselves than hip-hop, either about how they do drugs, how they lost their mother, how they fuck hoes, how they feel high.

The other reason is the artists themselves and how boast the majority of them are, always wanting to show themselves off, and acting like they are the toughest guy in town and looking for trouble.
Of course this is all a generalization, i dont think every hip-hop artist is like this, but i got to agree that hip-hop is sure the most narcissistic and self centered genre that exists. no other genre comes as close.

While most of the shit in the mainstream is bad, what could you possibly have against mainstream yet highly regarded like Nas, Wu Tang, or Kanye? For the most part there's no chimping out there

>taking pride in other peoples accomplishments

What's there to relate to? What great album has rock ever given us? There's no MBDTF or Illmatic of rock. Just a bunch of fags like Lennon or Mick Jagger who are unrelatable unless your a soy-boy millionaire. Also anyone who marries Yoko Ono should be burned alive.

Have you read Wu Tang's lyrics?

>There's no ITAOTS or Sgt Pepper of hip-hop

I like rock but that's a good thing

In general, I don't enjoy music that glorifies robbing, gun violence, etc. things that are poisonous to this country and are very real problems *without attacking that subject matter in a way that puts a thoughtful framing on it. Some artists like Danny Brown make autobiographical music about degeneracy but there's the sense that his music serves as a warning rather than an endorsement and he does so in an artful way / with an eclectic ear. I don't have an issue with music like this and it's why I said I don't discount the genre entirely. I really dislike the culture hip hop widely embodies and is associated with however, and so when the music endorses/emulates that culture I don't want to spend my time immersed in that.

cus i dont like it m8

Just a reminder that this is what hip hop was originally
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Any complaints about immorality, vulgarity, or anti-white politics are invalid. This is simple music (admittedly rooted in plagiarism) intended to make you dance and have fun with no pretense

>Not understanding that you are the product of your culture, appreciating that what you value has been forged by those that came before you. And that to preserve something that you think is great you must take pride in it and hold yourself to that same standard. It is not taking personal pride in the accomplishments of others, but appreciating the culture that allowed those accomplishments to happen and seeing yourself as a descendant of that culture.

lol

ok

>Doesn't that description fit a lot of genres
Not really. Like with house music for example, it's a genre based very much in very particular restriction and understandably it doesn't achieve much with it. Rock music is also very particular in its restrictions, yet actually achieves a surprising amount of diversity in sound despite that through large varieties of structure, arrangement, and technique. Hip hop feasibly has far more potential than both of them with how it can practically incorporate any sound out there and work with a large variety of structures that can be of any length; it doesn't even need to be about rapping. Yet so much of it is so damn ubiquitous. I think a big part of this is hip hop represented as some kind of general culture itself not just the music. This "cultural" aspect holds the genre back. Like, hip hop heads these days complain about guys like the mumble rappers or Post-Malone not being really part of the culture, and while those guys aren't great musically, I welcome them so that the shallow concept of culture and the tropes that come with within the genre get destroyed. Initially I understand the need for some kind of culture as African Americans often can neither really identify with African nor American culture. But that time has long past now.

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Then there's stuff like The Message, which well, had a positive message to send to the world. Hip-hop isn't rooted in degeneracy, I don't know why people act like it is.

most of it is too heavy on the lyrics for me I prefer instrumental stuff

>HA! I almost had to address what you said but I remembered I saved this condescending meme earlier!

Because it's either absolute shit or a loop out of a much better song from an actual talented artist with shitty, illiterate urban prose thrown on top. Why would you listen to a hip hop track when you can listen to the vastly superior original work that was sampled?

why feel the need to lie on an anonymous image board?

sorry that I choose to live for myself rather than some dead fucking losers who have no impact on me at all

>you are the product of your culture
commies get out

Because that's all people can associate it with now due to modern black culture

This, most of these fucks have never heard of Grandmaster Flash or know that 3 is the magic number. Shit even people who are into hip hop haven't a fucking clue about that old school shit. It's confusing to me because thats what i was listing to when i first heard any hip hop.

maybe if you played instruments you would get why rap is baby-tier music

there's composing a piece of music, and then theres kids bragging about how cool they think they are over baby beep boop beats

literally incomparable

>browsing music board
>doesnt play any musical instruments

That isn't always the case. Beastie Boys did something more interesting with their sample of The End than the Beatles did with the original track

I fucking hate commies, and you're retarded if you think you're not the product of your culture. I'm guessing you've never left your home country if you really think that

i know this is bait, but there's actually "conscious hip-hop" that doesn't deal with those themes. but knowing this board (and site overall) is a stupid piece of shit now, people actually don't listen to rap because "muh Sup Forums" boogeyman and "le is not music xD".

>sorry that I choose to live for myself
How's that working out? I'm guessing not too well judging by the vehement cynical shitposting coming from you.

Stirner is a fucking joke by the way. And so are you.

you know its pretty hard to make music on the computer. but I see your point these rappers pay someone to do it for them

>Beastie Boys did something more interesting

There has never been a single time, place or area regarding anybody or anything where this has ever been true

>techno combined with nigger child bragging about himself

maybe some people come here for music

Are you new here?

You don't understand how culture works and is propagated that much is clear

Nice argument bro you totally got him there

I think that these fags never spoke up because they'd get btfo. Now they've realised they won't they are all talking.

>trying to explain culture and heritage to americans

Please do NOT listen to hip hop if you are below 26

not really though, not at all actually

especially in comparison to the act of simply playing an instrument, you know it involves LEARNING, PRACTICE, and PREFORMANCE

literally incomparable.

I wrote that and I am American. Some of us still understand where our traditions and values came from.

Why should I?
It all sounds really repetitive and the lyrics are using too fucking corny for me to take seriously.

don't you love some serious music discussion from one guy replying to himself because no one pays attention to him irl.

>tl;dr: samefag

yeah, that's why I don't listen to dad rock

>kowtowing to that eurofag
yikes

Anti-rapfags are literally ignorant

name one thing that sounds more childish than a 12 year old playing call of duty on xbox live

>british rap

easy

you're an idiot, American identity is European, but also unique to itself. no kowtowing going on

I don't listen to dadrock either for the same reason moron.

ahaha, shoot, you caught me. thought I was slick oh well :P

i eat bread on toast
forgot my brunch so for dinner man had roast
boast i do not
melt cause you're salt
man dont need no reparations
cause chips and bacon is mans recreation

wow shocker they both fucking suck

i dont really like black people or their culture

kek

This is a very incoherent and pointless post that amounts to "I like my culture because I do". I guess it doesn't matter since the person you were replying to was also being incoherent, but if this is intended to make anyone an identitarian it's safe to say it failed.

this

>n-no mister european sir! i'm one of the good americans haha
Fuck you, fag.

There's no reason to be upset

>Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form.

I'm not upset, I'm disgusted.

I don’t refuse to listen to it on principle, I just don’t like it.

>They were men of genius, but they had no perception of what was just and lawful in music...And by composing licentious works, and adding to them words as licentious, they have inspired the multitude with lawlessness and boldness, and made them fancy that they could judge for themselves about melody and song...in music there first arose the universal conceit of omniscience and general lawlessness; freedom came following afterwards, and men, fancying that they knew what they did not know, had no longer any fear, and the absence of fear begets shamelessness. For what is this shamelessness, which is so evil a thing, but the insolent refusal to regard the opinion of the better by reason of an over-daring sort of liberty?

I hate this culture shit. You're taking an artist's expression and acting like you wrote it. Like everybody that makes art owes you something and just because someone is black or mixed or w.e he becomes a part of this blob that encompasses all this black artists regardless of genre or time. There's nothing wrong with being proud that marvin gaye is black but when it fucks me up is when people say dont do this or that because it looks bad for the culture and whatnot really just censoring me and not allowing me to keep growing by sticking me in this box not everyone makes disney movies with morals for the children you feel me sometimes you wanna drop a se7en or pulp fiction if a nigga wants to make electroacoustic noise pop influenced by 80's yugoslavian synthwave why cant i

>>Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul
>when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued withthe same passion
>if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form.
none of this is necessarily true
art is beyond morality, take your preaching elsewhere faggot

Same, your self hatred is disappointing all of us here.

>Musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who is ill-educated ungraceful.

I'm not the one kowtowing to some eurofag on Sup Forums.

>art is beyond morality, take your preaching elsewhere faggot
Not my preaching, you troglodytic twit. Wouldnt expect someone who idealizes niggerdom to recognize classical knowledge.

>"Music is part of us, and either ennobles or degrades our behavior."

By your brilliant logic, that you must take pride in the achievements of your ancestors, you absolutely have to incur the shame of them too. And if you'd agree that feats like colonization and slavery and the multitude of other practices that your European ancestors did to other groups of the past were overwhelmingly negative, then you absolutely have to take that "white guilt" onto yourself in the present day. Can't be prideful of your ancestral glory without being equally shameful for all of their folly.

But something tells me you don't consider your ancestor's mistakes at all, conveniently bypassing them in your thought and only allowing their deeds of greatness to enter your head?

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually refuse to listen to any classical music era

literally why?

Nothing against Aristotle but I can smell the 20 year old pseud from here

Go fuck yourself

You're conflating different things into a messy perspective. If you ask your random person on the street describe black culture they will mention hip hop, specifically mainstream hip hop -- i.e. gangster rap, thug shit. A black person making electro-acoustic isn't participating in "black culture" because they're black and no one is saying this

>“for changing people’s manners and altering their customs there is nothing better than music.”

>"Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited. When modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them."

>people exist in vacuums
>muh absolute individualism
Go take your zannies and nod out of existence you trash.

OK pal

Neither am I you fucking BOZO

>And if you'd agree that feats like colonization and slavery and the multitude of other practices that your European ancestors did to other groups of the past were overwhelmingly negative
But I don't.

So you can't fault Aristolte, so you fault me via some of the feeblest psychological projection ever displayed on Sup Forums?

Nice one, kid.

Maybe if these were attributed to "yung aristotle" or "lil socrates" you'd be all over their dicks like the faggot you are.

I wasn't the guy who replied to you initially, you're just obnoxious.

>And if you'd agree that feats like colonization and slavery and the multitude of other practices that your European ancestors did to other groups of the past were overwhelmingly negative
There is absolutely nothign inherently european about any of those things, you retard.

Name a pre-colonial African empire that wasn't built on the slave trade. I'll wait. Fucking africans even brought the practice of chattel slavery to the Americas. It's literally African culture.

Just another reason all things african should be rejected outright.