Is there a canon explanation for why this fight is so lame now

Is there a canon explanation for why this fight is so lame now

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Cos it was made in the fucking 70s?

I will never understand why George didn't use a stunt double for this scene

>this fight
>lame
not enough backflips and sword twirls for your taste, weaboo piece of shit?

he didn't have the high ground

also an old man

also because force tricks like jumping around the battlefield like a retard weren't invented yet

Isn't it based on that japanese fencing thing that's slow?

Obi-Wan is fucking old and isn't very spry anymore. Vader was merely fighting at his level to toy with him before he decided to kill him.

Vader was defeated by Obi Wan 20 years ago and was being extremely cautious. Obi Wan was an old man.

The swords were moving so fast they just looked like they were staying still

because lightsaber duels were supposed to be like old samurai duels

all the stupid flippy shit and dbz powers came after the original trilogy like everything else in star wars.

Noone can be this much of a nostalgia faggot. Seek help user

>Getting stunt doubles for a stick fight

But dooku, yoda and sheev were all old as fuck and did loads of acrobatic shit

Probably because he didn't expect to be doing a trilogy 30 years later full of backflips, laser deflections and lightning bolts. Makes sense for some clunky robo man and old fart to have some school yard-tier sword fighting.

Better than anything in the shitquels.

But to kind of answer your question, Lucas originally had the idea that light sabers would be extremely heavy which is why you never see anyone use them with one hand.
He changed the idea in the prequels because he wanted more CG backflips.

>fencing thing that's slow?
kek, what? I guess you mean kendo?

Sheev had UNLIMITED POWER

no it's because all other fights are lame compared to it, as are you

No. The prequels also ruined the originals.

old man and a cripple

old man and an old cripple you mean

>Noone
spotted the 12 year old

Old cripple that had robot appendages. For all we knew the only human part of Vader was his head in the OT.

If you're talking about in the actual movie, it's probably because Vader was just toying with him and Obi Wan was old

If we're talking in real life it's because Prowse probably couldn't see shit with that mask and Alec Guinness didn't want to hurt him

the less flesh you have the weaker you are with the force

>what is a mental battle

What we saw was the limitations at the time. What actually happened was a traditional sword battle minus the retarded backflips and shit.
Vader's adjusted to his robot body, he was able to hunt down the remaining Jedi and kill them.

he never asked for it

I don't mean to be a weeb but kendo (when they actually end up moving) is fast as fuck.

how do you explain this then

>Being this easily triggered

Suicide by using the force to separate your Midi-chlorian cells so you vanish from the human eye, can't regain phisycal from again but you are still alive as a ghost.

It's like you don't know shit, guys.

They were both so high tier jedi that leaping around was pointless. The mind games and skill were so meta that it looked like they were just banging their laser sticks together.

I mean they knew about "If you kill your enemies, they win" decades ago. Vader fucked up big time.

Smurf account.

Proofs?

They were both using the force to make each other go slow or some shit

>he's more machine than man now
>had three prosthetic limbs and a respirator
Why did Obiwan lie about this?

Why doesn't Obi Wan ever use Force Speed? He could have used it to save Qui Gon against Maul and he could've also used it to outpace Vader

he didn't stretch enough; after he did this his back was really sore so he couldn't move that much when fighting obi-wan.

Relax 12 year old.

Obi-Wan's defensive fighting style gives him -5 agility. He can't use it.

...

He didn't prepare the spell for that day

>weaker with the force
>hunted down and killed the last of the old jedi order
>tossed Sheev off a balcony

Why didn't Anakin ever used spinning again? That's a good trick.

>synthetic lungs
>synthetic appendages
>synthetic skin(via the suit)

It's not a good trick. It's a Good trick. If your character is Neutral or Evil it doesn't work or will backfire.

It really is a good trick.

Manchildren craved a scene of that character they recognize doing something BADASSLMAO and that's Disney's target audience.

OT Vader managed to be an intimidating villain without showing him slaughter rooms full of people, it's just lazy writing.

>starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_V

Vader was toying with him, savouring the fact that he was able to duel once more.

Sheev installed anti-spin software to keep Vader from becoming too powerful

probably this considering Vader was stuck with choking rebels for the last 50 years

Only about 20 years passed since the end of Revenge of the Sith.

Man Sheev really was a mastermind

still a long time to kiss emperors ass for

Just correcting you bro.

I know this argument is rehashed from RLM, but the OT fights were better because there was emotion weight and impact behind them.

the fights in the PT were all just choreographed bullshit. There was literally no difference between any of the fights in those three movies. Except one had sheev do a spin move, that's a good trick. And he was a good friend.

It wasn't an actual fight. They had to draw lightsabers, because that's what a Jedi and a Sith do when they run into each other, but neither had the intention to seriously harm the other. They wanted to talk, and the only way they could is with lightsabers drawn.

>OT Vader managed to be an intimidating villain

Because this scene was less about two people attacking each other, and more symbolic about their relationship. The Prequels ruined lightsaber duels.

They're both masters with decades of training and experience. None of that spinny trick shit is going to work on them.

While fair, the duel in episode 5 is far faster and more aggressive than in episode 4.

The fight wasn't solid because it had cool moves or anything, it was more of a battle of wills. The intensity of the duel is in their conversation, not the fighting.

That scene was amazing to watch in MPX. So much HI DEF I almost went blind

This desu

>finally find the guy that left you melting on Mustafar
>about to duel him and cut off his arms and legs so he feels the pain of it
>he disappears like a straight bitch

I bet Vader was pissed as fuck

The real reason is because Vader was fighting the man that put him in the suit in the first place.
Yes he is old now but do you really want to underestimate obi again look what happened last time. Vader was being careful. trying not repeat history.

They both could deflect any flippy moves the other could pull off so they just don't.

that's just Vader against plebs

the second fight against obi wan was more of a mental fight. they were crippling each other with their force powers :^)

Luke does a flip or two in the OT.

The fight in IV is significantly slower than the fights in the rest of the OT

Best post I've read in a long time. Kek

Old man and a cripple.

Both being masters and extremely cautious.

I don't think Obi-Wan wanted to kill Vader, he had been retired until right before that fight. It was more about buying time for Luke and I think he might have been ready to die, going back to retirement sort of thing; he was done with fighting.

Vader had been bested by Obi-Wan before and was still scarred by the event. Therefore he was maintaining a defensive position, waiting for Obi-Wan to open himself up.

Vader was toying around. And putting just mental pressure . And 70ies limitations .
According to official canon comic books Vader is a fucking monster capable of tearing imperial walkers apart with force.

An EUfag told me something about how it was all mental and they were able to think 50 steps ahead of the other so if they opened themselves up even a little bit they would be exposing themselves to certain death or some nonsense. Countering counters before they're even performed.

So it was the Mayweather vs Pacquiao of Jedi fights

Was Obi-Wan the raddest jedi to ever live?

>handsome as fuck
>clever and witty
>master of lightsaber combat
>beat the "chosen one" in a straight up fight despite being out-midichlorian'd

Ewan McGregor was the best part about the prequel trilogy, hands down.

The fights in Empire and Jedi were actually exciting though.

This fight was lame as fuck, let's be honest. It's about the least exciting thing in the whole movie.

kekd

Had to rewatch it again thanks to this thread.
Obi Wan actually does a little spinning at the start of the fight, was he starting to turn to the dark side and that's why he let Vader win?

I like to believe that, honestly.

It's called 'show, don't tell' user, a nice little technique in storytelling.
ANH didn't really make use of it concerning Vader, R1 did. No need to be so cynical.

He was one of the best, that's for sure

Because this was before it was established that Jedi were unstoppable killing machines with superpowers. In ANH they were just ruminants of an older era that had a special connection with the spiritual nature of the universe. Now they're this weird politically active religious cult with prokaryotes in their cells that give them super human abilities such as turning into a blue ghost when you die, moving things with your mind, and so on. Each successive movie made the Jedi worse

Because Bob Anderson wasn't doing the stunts, it was that numbskull Prowse. And Alec Guiness was old, so they couldn't do a lot of fancy things. But since Hamill was more athletic, the fights in Empire and Jedi were more energetic

but yeah it was meant to be reminiscent of a samurai duel since Lucas had a huge hard-on for Kurosawa

Watch the movie again. There are several scenes where either Kenobi or Vader describe a metaphysical concept, which they call "The Force", that affects all things including this light saber duel. Both of these characters, if memory serves (its been awhile since I've seen this episode), are masters of this "Force", so this duel is actually a duel of this mastery more than mastery of light saber skill. If the force is everything and everything is the force than this duel is about the force.

I know its heady mind-fuck type stuff and hard to follow, but that's the price you have to pay to be a true Star Wars fan.

Because they're old as fuck now tbqh

Obi Wan was a staunch supporter of Justin Trudeau.

>Strike me down, and I shall become more possibly than you can POSSIBLY imagine.

Sounds alot like,

>if you kill your enemies, they win


Obi-Wan was fighting to lose the whole time.

We all know how intimidating Vader is, so now we get a scene where he's actually doing some shit that everyone talked about him doing.

because they didnt have cg in 1977 and the fight is between a guy in a heavy suit and an 80 year old you fucking mong

Canon explanation? It was explained in A New Hope, you idiot. Obi wan wanted Vader to kill him, he literally went in to it with the intention of losing, hence he did nothing.

>Ewan McGregor
>not Ian McDiarmid

God damn you are stupid

Star Wars is set a long, long time ago, there's no way Obi-Wan could have been a Trudeau supporter.. It's Trudeau who's misunderstood Obi-Wan's point and constructed his own, weaker philosophy based on that.

>if you kill your enemies, they win
Justin is absolutely right though, it just turns them into martyrs; the war you need to win in 2016 is the political one.

>He thinks movies before Star Wars didn't know how to do sword fights.
Jesus you kids are sad.
It's just a fencing duel. It was choreographed as such for fuck knows what reason but it's not fucking "lame". Just take it as two old men, former friends, meeting for the first time in decades and warily sizing eachother up. Because that's what's telegraphed by both the screenplay and choreography. It's hardly headcanon.

They had advanced so far that they could tell what the other was going to do before they did it so the only reasonable course of action was making as little action as possible

Trudeau was born before A New Hope takes place though. It was Obi Wan who followed our savior Justin Trudeau.

He's truly a man ahead of his time. To think his teachings were admired by one of the greatest jedi of all time really makes you reconsider what our war time strategies should be today...

>It was choreographed as such for fuck knows what reason

Because having two lead actors doing their own stunts is dangerous from a production standpoint, especially since both have never done sword training. Guinness was 63 and Prowse (who was meant to play Vader in subsequent films) was wearing a bulky suit. So its no wonder they had to be careful

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>Star Wars is set a long, long time ago,
It's a historical piece about a long gone era, man. The events aren't contemporary. C'mon son

Because its the OT and it always sucked.

Acording to TCW he also cucked the Mandalorians by banging their Queen or Duchess or whatever she was.

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