What do Mexican think of their territory which was their own

What do Mexican think of their territory which was their own.

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>their territory

Excuse me?

IDK exactly. I read USA invade Mexico because of land.

>a country losses their territory in a fair war
>t-that was ours!
says who? the right to the land via conquest is valid

You read wrong.
>Texas has Anglo Majority.
>Want to break away from Mexican govt
>USA helps them
>Later they join US as a state.

Don't listen to american propaganda below
>Texas is barely populated
>Mexico decides to allow immigrants to fill the territory
>Conditions apply, no slavery, its not allowed in Mexico since its foundation, and to be catholic, 2nd one not really enforced
>Americans want that land, but it turns out its ours, so they send in filibusters with their migrants and try to take over, the US helps them in an illegal annexation of territory

Why are they so butthurt about this?

>their territory

Excuse me?

It's not about the land anymore.
They won, fair enough is theirs now
It's them trying to make it look like they were the good guys or that they had a justification other than to steal and conquer a weaker war torn nation.

The United States did offer a bit more stability than Mexico. Only one civil war, no coups, no Hapsburg puppets, and the US' Indian policy was more effective at keeping raids down than Mexico's had been, so the locals tended to like that much at least.

Here is exactly what fucking happened, step by step

>apaches, comanches, etc. (nomadic tribes from the great planes, emphasis in nomadic) moved to northern mexico while hunting and running away from americans
>war broke out between them and mexico due to the poverty the independence war left behind
>after decades of war (against spain, against rebels, liberals vs conservatives, etc) turns out it wasn't easy to make money and also wage war against the apaches in spared populated lands
>mexico decides it needs to populate northern mexico to stop the raids from the apaches
>invite americans to do that, granting them land, etc, under several conditions
>americans had to become mexicans, convert to catholicism, stop slavery, move to the parts that were being raided, etc.
>americans didn't do any of that
>animosity escalated and the mexican government decided that immigration was banned
>americans kept immigrating illegally
>illegal americans in texas decide to rebel (along with other parts of mexico)
>mexico had to fight several fronts with an ill prepared army and a lunatic as general/president/both (depending on the year)
>with difficulties, mexico starts to win against texas
>in a stupid move, the general/president lets himself get captured
>the mexican army, the congress and the capital are left unscratched
>the general/president says that the texas declaration of independence (done mostly by americans living illegally in mexico) is valid
>the mexican congress declares the document invalid and prepares to invade texas again

>america decides to annex the unrecognized texas without defeating the mexican army and the congress
>mexico declares this an act of war
>the unrecognized texas claimed land that never belonged to texas, not even under mexican rule
>that land became “disputed” (only because texans -again, illegal immigrants who didn’t defeat the army- wanted the land, not because it ever belonged to them)
>the imperialistic american president who believed america had a god-given right to all land (manifest destiny) saw this as an opportunity
>he instigated war with mexico by sending their army in the outskirts of the “disputed” territory
>it actually didn’t work so he had to send some troops inside the “disputed” territory in order to get a reaction
>the american troops inside the “disputed” territory (part of mexico claimed by the unrecognized texas) got attacked
>americans used this as an excuse, lying in the process “that it had happened in American soil and unprovoked” to wage an unfair war (as noted by several american heroes; Lincoln, Ulysses Grant)

>americans say mexico started the war

Don't listen to the American propaganda. Also this

you're funny

You are ignorant

okay buddy

Yes, you are.

Our only wrongdoing was not annexing your entire country

>Fair war
Thats the problem, the Texas part sure was a dick move but was ok but forcing the sell of half the territory was worse on a war that wasnt fair in any kind, even some of the US commanders recognized that it was legit stealing and there was nothing fair on it.

Your wrongdoing is to exist.

And to end this thread in a single post, here.

Mexico's wrongdoing is to exist*

hotdog burguer shoo shoo

Mexican history revisionist shoo shoo

next to America*

I agree.

You want some undeniable truth? Here it is
>Americans lost a battle against themselves

Wah wah, my country borders a strong country, keep crying Mexicunts

Unkown isnt zero user

it was still a victory bitch

>the entire purpose of that expedition was to capture Pancho Villa
>Pancho Villa got away

Ah yes, classic American style "victories", like Americans unironically believe won the Vietnam war.

California is best state and should invade Mexico, Texas is a shithole and should be nuked.

>Mexico becomes independent in 1821
>at this time, it's a very weak nation with no real national identity and civil wars/coups every two or so years
>they have a nominal claim over Texas, New Mexico, and California, even though they have no ability to settle and administer this territory
>the place is mostly an empty wilderness that nobody lives in
>aside from a few Spanish-descended settlers, most of whom want nothing to do with Mexico and are in a state of rebellion
>Texas is mostly empty, so Mexico offers American settlers the chance to live there, if they convert to Catholicism, assimilate into Mexican culture, and do not keep slaves
>this leads to quick clashes and the Texans declare independence in 1835
>after their ragtag army gets beaten up by the Mexican army, they surprise butt secks Santa Anna at San Jacinto, capture him in his sleep, and force him to sign a treaty recognizing the independence of Texas, threatening to hang him otherwise
>Santa Anna complies, but the Mexican Congress quickly rules that a treaty signed under duress is invalid and they refuse to recognize the independence of Texas
>the US dillydallies on annexing Texas because of concern over adding another slave state to the union
>Texas is independent for a while, although Mexico won't recognize it, no serious attempt at reconquering the place is made
>the Texans try to capture Santa Fe in 1841 and are repulsed
>in March 1845, just before leaving the White House, President Tyler signs a bill authorizing the annexation of Texas
>Mexico is insulted and considers it an act of war
>a border clash early the next year leads Congress to declare war
>some US troops invade northern Mexico and win some battles
>others go west and take New Mexico and California, where some American settlers had briefly proclaimed an independent republic
>Mexico won't surrender however, and it becomes clear that invading the Mexican heartland is the only option

How can a country be so bad at warfare that they only win 6 battles in a war?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_of_the_Mexican–American_War

World War 1 was more important than Pancho Villa

>Winfield Scott commands the US army which lands and occupies Veracruz, then moves inland
>during this time, Mexico is in near-anarchy with half its states attempting to secede
>despite some brave resistance, the Mexican army succumbs and Mexico City falls in February 1848
>although there are a few hotheads who want to annex large pieces of Mexico or even the whole country, President Polk is adamant about not taking anything south of the Rio Grande
>the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo confirms Mexican cession of Texas, New Mexico, and California, and the US pays $20 million back for the territory
>in addition, the US agrees to protect the border area from Apache raids

And that's pretty much it.

>How can a country be so bad at warfare that they only win 6 battles in a war?
Its not like Mexico was war torn already and even then had some disputes with everyone
>World War 1 was more important than Pancho Villa
Oh yeah nice excuses bro, I dont think the whole american army went to Europe did they? Learn to win you bitter loser

this thread is autism incarnate

>World War 1 was more important than Pancho Villa

>How can a country be so bad at warfare

>no native armaments industry
>having to buy surplus junk from Europe, some of which dated back to the Napoleonic Wars
>the enlisted men were largely illiterate Indian conscripts who could not understand orders given to them by Spanish-speaking officers

I agree with you, but you cant really blame nor santificate neither mexicans nor americans and no one likes to get freedom´d by the americans, thats why people are still mad about it [spoiler]And the fact that there are people in the current year that try to justify it.

Nice way of omitting the illegal immigration
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Declaration_of_Independence#Signatories

And this

"The presence of United States troops on the edge of the disputed territory farthest from the Mexican settlements, was not sufficient to provoke hostilities. We were sent to provoke a fight, It was very doubtful whether Congress would declare war; but if Mexico should attack our troops, the Executive could announce, "Whereas, war exists by the acts of, etc.," and prosecute the contest with vigor. Once initiated there were but few public men who would have the courage to oppose it...."
- Ulysses S. Grant

It always comes down to a single fact: Americans can't admit they did wrong. Never. It's like you are physically incapable of saying "yeah, we were wrong, but whatever". You just can't.

Keep the land tho, this argument has never been about that, this guy said it better

>Oh yeah nice excuses bro, I dont think the whole american army went to Europe did they?
We couldn't afford to have soldiers chasing some random terrorist in a country that was in the mists of a civil war, during a time of total war.

But keep worshiping your national hero, because he burned a town full of civilians in America.

He was a literal terrorist

bait?

there were Indian tribes that did better than the Mexicans did against us

>Nice way of omitting the illegal immigration, and this
Otherwise, yeah, that's what happened.

this was a case we didn't do anything wrong tho

Oh sure thing buddy next you are going to say is "We won Vietnam" or "Its not our fault the terrorist groups we funded destabilized yet another country", just go microwave some water lmoa

CHI

are you an illegal american immigrant in mexico

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If you say so.

No need to keep arguing.

>believed america had a god-given right to all land (manifest destiny)
But this is true...

>and no one likes to get freedom´d by the americans, thats why people are still mad about it
Doesn't Kosovo have a statue of Bill Clinton or something?

we did win Vietnam numbers wise

and we never funded terrorist groups that have been destabilizing countries

Not all of the mujaheddin=Al'Qaeda

He said Mexicans, the modern cognate of Mexicah... The Aztec Empire was called Mexico by the Spaniards, that´s the current states of Mexico, Morelos, Hidalgo, Puebla, parts of Veracruz, Guerrero, Queretaro, etc. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans have ancestors amongst the peoples in this region.

Besides, Aztlán proper is very unlike to have ever been in what is currently the United States, nevermind it was a small city sized geographical area.

meh, good riddance

Something, something, stones in glass houses

WE

ITT: Mexico is White guy has a chimpout

Isn't the most likely place of origin Nayarit, or am I high?

>invite americans to do that, granting them land, etc, under several conditions
>americans had to become mexicans, convert to catholicism, stop slavery, move to the parts that were being raided, etc.
>americans didn't do any of that
>animosity escalated and the mexican government decided that immigration was banned
>americans kept immigrating illegally
>illegal americans in texas decide to rebel (along with other parts of mexico)

History repeats itself, first as a tragedy then as a farce

Look at this pic of god, he isnt too happy about your manifest destiny pal
>Doesn't Kosovo have a statue of Bill Clinton or something?
Thats a weird case since I think the Albanians were the one that made the statue but Kosovo had the clashing groups of people unlike other Freedom´d countries which the population is homogenous or at least is bound together as a country

manifest destiny is America's right

aztecs came from the southwest of the us

>good riddance
Literally how

Didnt modern inmigration start because in USA during WW2 Murica needed workers so they brought some mexicans with promises of rewards but neither cared to pay the rewards nor cared to return them? At least mexicans gave inmigrants on Texas fair deals unlike AmeriKKKa

America is the evil of the world

WE are still doing the WE WUZ meme? I thought roleplaying countries (plus discussions on whiteness) was the whole point to this board.

yeah, I think it used to be considered one of the strongest posibilities, tho really anywhere the's Uto-Aztecans (eg Yaquis) is on the table.

google "square dancing"

This is pretty fun

Who hear remembers the Alamo?

"El 75% de los hogares de México tienen una lavadora, y no de dos patas o de dos piernas, una lavadora metálica
-Santa Anna

Oh, boy, oh boy

We did it reddit!
A H U E V O

Is it the beaners remember the Mexican-American War as the Invasion of Mexico episode already?

That's a bingo!

Why are you still here buddy? Are you lost?

kek what a patethic fucking cunt