Why do wages just fit for supporting life?

Why there is no career growth in Europe unless you're a lawyer or a doctor?

You might be having just 2.5k eur monthly after taxes, which makes having kids simply dangerous. You will basically paying the loans and survive. After 20 yrs of service, you might achieve, maybe, 3-3.5k eur (but very unlikely).

Why don't we deserve an average wage like in the US, which is around 6k eur after taxes? A mediocre software developer does even more, around 8-9k monthly. You can plan something with this money. You can invest, raise family and have a decent vacation. Not to mention a decent house and a car for each family member.

Whereas in Germany you will pay mortgage for a shitty flat, drive a secondhand Golf, save on clothes and food, not to say heating, water (people literally count each liter of wasted water), have a vacation in Turkey along with drunk slavshits, or Spain.

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Well high taxes has side effects like that.
Wasting money on the EU might also be a factor

In order for a socialist utopia to work people have to be dependent on the government. The more people that are dependent on the government the more power the government has to take away profits from higher earning citizens. Higher taxes is western Europe has been the reins on it's economic growth.

But even before taxes it's like two times lower than in the US

lol
>one of the best econonmic conditions in the world.

Now think how others live you spoiled untermensch.

>>one of the best econonmic conditions in the world.
> Germany
> 2016

I lived in Germany for a few years, and it was distinguishing how much taxes my German friends had to pay.

It is expensive to hire Germans, not only are you paying taxes straight out of your check, but your employers are paying the government a lot of taxes to employ you. Your firm that you work for isn't going to employ you at a loss, so they pay the taxes out of your wages.

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I'm sorry

But hey all the white liberals think that what is happening to you should happen to us because it is going to be great.

Money provides freedom and security.

Without money you're insecure, worried and limited to a slave's life.

One of them supports an open society as the status quo. The other supports government intervention on behalf of the insecure citizens. They want you to be poor and live paycheck to paycheck.

Its one of the reasons that Bernanke killed everyone's savings in the US.

How do I get to the US if I have a German PhD in engineering?

>2.5k eur monthly after taxes

fuck me,
in poortugal you get 450 a month after taxes and we have the most expensive utilities and fuel in Europe...

I make 1400 a month after taxes, managing a grocery store in the southeast.

You don't make as much in the USA unless you live in the northeast, or on the west coast. At that point all your extra earnings will be going toward higher rents.

I don't know man, you could try joining the Air force as an engineer and you will be making pretty good money as an Officer while you earn your citizenship.

Still, even if your rent is like 1k, with 10k on average you are much better than me with 400 eur rent.

Because Hitler invaded Russia and now you have to live with those consequences

>just 2.5k eur monthly after taxes
hahaha I wish

1k/mo on rent and utilities is what I average, yes.
Its quite a lot imo. I don't want to have to spend more than a third of my income on rent, its worrying. that's 1k not including bills and other payments I have to make for just existing in the USA.
My grampa bought me a reloading kit, so that has cut my ammo costs to 1/5 of what they were at least.

As if the prices for the utilities were low in Europe. People literally save on water, heating and electricity here.

>2.5k euro isn't a lot of money
Just nuke my third world shithole please.

Btw, I have a mate from Serbia. He is now in the US making > 100 k as a mid.

Yeah, I did some work in the states for about 30k after taxes. More than enough to support my gopnik lifestyle over here. I should probably decide what to do with my life and pack it up and move to the states for good. Might just learn German and come see you guys, I hope you like Serbs more than Arabs.

What's a mid Krautbro?
Anyway, my Kraut friend don't worry that in Italy only managers, extremely skilled engineers, judges, politicians and good entrepreneurs make more 3k € per month.
Here earning 2k is considered extremely good if not a miracle and I live in Northern Italy, not Naples.
I must join some political shit or bureaucracy and go from there but it disgusts me.
My best strength is the knowledge of foreign languages (Italian, English and French very fluent, German, Russian, Portuguese and Spanish in progression), besides being quite well educated.

The same reason the whole world is is being ground down in poverty.

Monetary policy.

All money is debt and all money owes interest to the banks that create the money.

You don't deserve anything Hans, the fact I had to delete Mohammed and write Hans is the reason for it.

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>2.5k eur monthly after taxes
That's pretty good for one person. Just do not live in Munich and some other of the most expensive areas.

>6k eur after taxes in US
Sounds good for a consumer, but you better not getting ill or loose your job. Nobody in US will take care of you in that case. In Germany nobody will let you die or live on the street.

>you will pay mortgage for a shitty flat
Just seek for a flat which is not in a ghetto. Move out of the city to smaller satellites in the rural. Also a loan nowadays is very cheap you can buy a smaller house in the rural and renovate yourself if you do not like a flat.

>drive a secondhand Golf
Jesus, who even cares? Drive a Kia or Toyota instead if you want to save money or buy a secondhand Audi/Mercedes/BMW with low mileage 30% under the first price.

>save on clothes
Who fucking cares? There are 1000 possibilities to buy good quality clothes for decent price. Never heard about "Sales" and "outlets"?

>and food
Cmon, thats ridiculous. Food is really not a problem for somebody, who earns 2500 after taxes. Learn how to cook.

>heating
What temperature do you prefer in winter? 23 Celsius? Well, that's your problem. I'm ok with 18-19 Celsius.

>water (people literally count each liter of wasted water)
Do not know any single person who really cares about that. Well, if you live in an apartment-building, there is no problem at all, the community can buy water and energy for lower price.

>have a vacation in Turkey along with drunk slavshits, or Spain.
Don't go to Turkey, it's pretty dangerous right now, Spain/Mallorca, Greece and Cyprus are better options.

I'm 27 and getting £2100 per month post-tax.

I still feel it would be hard to support a family on this income. I'm working my hardest to be able to support one on my own by the age of 35.

After Brexit, you will have 30% more.

In what kind of a ghetto you live, fella? I don't know any german that is saving on water or any of those stuff you mentioned.

A
FUCKING
BLUE
STAR

Don't be a filthy commie socialist pinko
>get paid 6k
Be a filthy NWO-lover commie socialist pinko
>get paid 2.5k euros yearly after taxes (oy vey!)

Yeah. And like 50 % of the Germans live in rental flats.

gb2 the oven, Schlomo.

What are you on about? Anyone with a good STEM degree in Europe will have way more than "just to live on".

>You might be having just 2.5k eur monthly after taxes, which makes having kids simply dangerous.

Are you fucking shitting me

I could live like a king for 2.5k eur. Even with a family. Even in Germany.

I am a doctor myself and I make 1600 eur (that's like 2 and a half the average salary here).

>Why there is no career growth in Europe unless you're a lawyer or a doctor?

Become a consultant or engineer. Engineers are in demand so they can ask more and consultants can work freelance and make €2000 for writing 5 page improvement reports

Sup Forums should be much more interested in bitcoin. it's the key to disarming the globalists long term.

> Beraters
Straight to the Hell they go.

Your wage growth stagnated for 15 years so you can remain competitive and keep that fat, juicy trade surplus going. Basically you are competing with China for the biggest trade surplus in the world AFAIK. Bretty darn impressive for a country of 80 mil desu senpai

>Why don't we deserve an average wage like in the US, which is around 6k eur after taxes?
Good one.

Why?

Globalism m8. The global village. There's a really good image of a thread made here years ago which described the process, whereby the great majority of us in the world are soon going to meet in the middle of terms of quality of life and wages, while for a minority, life is going to get immensely better because of a global market where their skills are in demand.

On a global level, it's great for everyone... except Europeans. We'll all probably converge on Easter European levels I guess, probably current Poland level. That's great if you're Indian or African and terrible if you're German or French or British. But that's globalism for you.

So you want to complain about taxes and socialism ? Try living in France.

>doing overtime ? 10% maximum bonus lel
>gas prices drop ? don't worry the government is here to raise taxes, wouldn't want the economy to benefit from that heh ?
>want to run your own business ? no problem, here is this 3000 pages document about working regulations
>earn 1600€/month ? congratulations, your employer must pay 3000+ cause taxes and contributions
>you've worked all your life and want to pass on your belongings to your children ? LOL NO government can take up to 40% cause fuck you for being a productive member of society right ?

Cos they deserve obviously

>loans
Why would you have loans? At least Americans have the excuse "we were dumb kids who wanted to get a degree". As an European, you have to be pretty dumb (fell for the "I need a new (sports) car every X years/I want a big house in the center of a multicultural capital") or extremely unlucky to be in debt of pretty much any kind. I don't understand.

brah gib 2.5k euro ill raise 4 children, fuck you can send me your children and I'll raise them for ya.
Life plan for me : get a 1.5k euro wage working in Sofia in Finance, get me a waifu, breed, save cash and buy land with it. Investment in land in Bulgaria brings massive gains, land prices quadrupled in the last 10 years and they work like a perpetuity with about 4% interest. To enter the market you'll need like 5k euro for about 5-6 decares bringing in some 200-250 euro yearly, assets appretiate with at least 10 % every year too.

My parents are poor and can't leave me a villa, mate.

>assets appretiate with at least 10 % every year too.
Don't bet on that staying that way forever.
Diversify and such.

>sending kids to be raised by Turkotoilet

the assets appretiate because the productivity of the sector is catching up. When enough capital flows in to bring high quality seeds, machinery and infrastructure and production/rent peeks i'll consider putting more into real estate and maybe some stocks. Diversification may be tricky right now given the volatility of the stock market and how it's been meme magic the last year or so. People have been falling for massive hypes around the clock investing in meme stocks like Kikebook, twatter etc.

It would be a really good life lesson for them.

no it wount, I live in a small neighbourhood with literally no crime, no gypos and no poorshits, just gotta find a high quality private school and I'm set.

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>120 million americans could not afford a 500$ medical bill

really not that much better compared to germany

> That's pretty good for one person. Just do not live in Munich and some other of the most expensive areas.

Income is relative to your expenses, if you live paycheck to paycheck you're still a poorfag no matter what the number is.

>Nobody in US will take care of you in that case.

They will if you have insurance. The only difference is we have mandatory state insurance. I would prefer to have the option.

> Just seek for a flat which is not in a ghetto. Move out of the city to smaller satellites in the rural.

First time buyers are increasingly priced out of areas they live and work everywhere, not just Germany. The locals in Berlin won't stop moaning about it. But buying a cheap house in the country isn't an option when there aren't any jobs around.

> secondhand car, clothes, food, heating, water, holidays

Agreed. If your parents haven't taught you to be frugal, it's something you have to figure out yourself.

>>doing overtime ? 10% maximum bonus lel

You get paid for overtime ? You lucky bastard !

>these cry babies
>Not doing extra hours because you love your job

> German PhD in engineering?
You should probably just apply the old fashioned way. With your skill set most countries in the developped world would take you

>Not doing extra hours because you love your job
No thats the idea of a job. I exchange time for money. no money = no time

>the old fashioned way
What's that? I am 30 btw, if you meant a Green Card, I'm too old.

And that's why you're a neet.

ur fucked just smoke cigs and play guitar everyday collect nazi memorabilia and ride around with motorcycle around town while the muzzies grope your women on the sidewalks at least thats what my cousin does.

Yep. Whenever Americans talk about voting Democrat and getting all these great government programs, I like to point out how taxes work in countries where this happens.

They really don't get it.

My Salary is $112,000.
I get paid a tad over $3000, twice a month. That's after everything: federal taxes, state taxes, life insurance and medical insurance (which the company I work for takes out).

State sales tax is 6%. The mortgage on my house (~2000 sq feet counting finished and unfinished) is about $1000/month, counting the property tax (which the mortgage company pays for me via escrow out of the $1000/month).

So I get about $60,000 per month after taxes and housing to do whatever I want with (not counting any bonuses or refunds -- I do make back a few thousand from tax refunds, mostly due to the mortgage interest writeoff).

I probably average about $1500/month on bills, food and general entertainment (nights out at the bar, restaurants, etc) and so forth, so still about $42,000 left over per year. Which seems about right. No car payment cause I had enough in the bank to buy it outright.

This is just a straight up no-shit assessment of my finances.

No way in hell I could do this in most (if any) of Europe. Germany would be hitting my income at 42%. And then the VAT is 19%.

I've spot checked other countries and some are worse. Belgium is fucking insane.

I don't know how Euros let things get so bad. I guess the bright side is you get pretty well taken care of by the government but "it takes money to make money" and you don't get much chance to accumulate anything.

I'm about 5 years into my mortgage and close to paying it off. At that time I could rent the place out and buy a second home with the rent from the first one paying the mortgage on the second one. By the time I retire I could just be living on rental property income. Assuming I don't come up with some better investment.

All because the American government lets me keep most of my money.

That's how capitalism works.

we don't have to spend our earnings on healtcare and education debts

STOOOOOOP PLEASE YOU'RE WAKING UP MY DEPRESSION

I hate this fucking pseudocountry

>americans
>this lucky
I'm a police officer and I get $67,000 a year. I get a bit over that sometimes since I like to do night shift work and that gets a 15% bump up.

What the absolute fuck are you doing where you get a bit over 150% of my wage, when I'm voluntarily signing up to get a fucking target on my back that essentially says "Criminals please shoot here!"?

JESUS CHRIST I'M SALTY AND I GET TO DRIVE AROUND IN A 6 YEAR OLD BOY'S WET DREAM.

The U.S military only accepts citizens and residents.

This >110k user made me so sad

>What the absolute fuck are you doing where you get a bit over 150% of my wage, when I'm voluntarily signing up to get a fucking target on my back that essentially says "Criminals please shoot here!"?

clearly something smarter

What do you work as?
Because how the fuck you get paid 60.000 a month.

Software engineer in the D.C. area.

Wonder how German federal workers get paid compared to American.

opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/16Tables/html/DCB.aspx

I don't entirely know how this works because I've never worked for the government but a "Step 5" (??) GS-13 around D.C. makes $104,433 per year.

That's just government employee shit. I do know that government grade is based on time in service (and afaik, ONLY time in service) which is why it's so expensive to live here: everyone here makes a lot of money because there are shitloads of federal employees bringing in $50k - $150k.

And from what I've seen, they're all lazy fucks and mostly do jack shit at work.

Complain more.

Feels like I rarely see Euros complaining about taxes. I guess it's hard to complain when it's so fragmented. Swedes don't care about German taxes and vice versa but still, nothing changes if people don't start bitching.

He meant a year. It's still damn a lot

That was a mis-type. $60,000 year. I don't usually proofread my Sup Forums posts. (Rest of the math works out correctly, just typed 'month" instead of "year" there)

Still curious senpai.
I get paid 18.000 a year, luckily that means no taxes.

Just as I thought he is a coder. Damn, coders in Europe are just miserable

Programming life in europe is shit for some reason.

Yeah not sure why.

We don't have enough coders. Company I work for has a hard time finding good ones. I don't expect any trouble finding a new job if I lose mine.

Maybe it's a combination of America has had a long time to get into software as an industry and a couple decades of "be what you want to be! you can do anything!" lead a lot of younger generations to get shit degrees for jobs that don't exist.

I would bet the average software developer age at my company is like 40. Same at the last company. Seems like younger generations are not picking up the slack like they used to.

How hard is to move there?
Honest question.
Will probably try that in 2-3 years, I guess with trump it'd be easier than with hill.

Good troll, the average income ( not owning a business, not lawyer doctor etc etc) is between 700-1700 a month

How about the vacation and work hours? A friend of mine also has over 100k, but he literally rips his ass apart. It's 60 hours weekly on average with a about a week of vacation per year.

Not that easy but it depends on what you do and how legal you want it to be.

BEST is to find companies sponsoring visa workers. H-1B visa is best, for degree holders. That'll buy you 6 years and I think(?) it can be renewed.

H-2B is next best and can include restaurant workers (non-agricultural). Typically buys you 3 years.

OH!

Try the "immigration lottery": Diversity Immigrant Visa Program. You can apply for that without being a citizen or anything. "Diversity" does not mean ethnicity in this case. It's country-based. If not many people apply from Spain, you have good chances. I know someone who won the lottery as a Bulgarian. Odds are low but worth a shot. I can't tell you more about it that google can't, though.

If you want to become a permanent citizen you basically need to marry into it.

It's really not that easy to become a legal citizen. Lots of south-of-the-border people manage it because they have huge extended families and any family connection is a road to citizenship.

With no family connection, you need to make one by marrying into it, having a kid while here or winning the lottery.

I meant it mostly to work m8, I can't into social relations and I dislike most things that aren't programming related.

My company gives 4 weeks vacation standard plus federal holidays (which are 10 days, on those particular dates, e.g., July 4th or the nearest workday to it). No sick time.

Previous company I worked for starts everyone at 2 weeks vacation + 1 week sick. I'd say that's more typical for American white collar jobs. But you can always negotiate for more in the hiring process. And some companies increase your vacation days based on how long you've worked there.

Can you tell me how did you get to where you are, as a good programmer? I always wanted to get into programming, since it seems like it would really be up my alley, but the complexity does confound me. Did you study at the university or self learn? Outline, guide, point rundown? Any help would be appreciated

H-1B visa is for you, then. Really don't know how it works though. Like I'm not sure if you can get a visa, move here and look for work or if you need a work sponsor first, or where you find those.

Look into the "diversity immigrant visa program" though. There's a particular sign-up period for those once a year and seems like a very simple way to just try for citizenship for anyone who wants one.

Wages are stagnant in the EU and taxation is set to increase with the EU planning to levy direct taxation for the first time.

Vote Leave.

Mostly self-learned. I went to university but never graduated. Joined the military with a guaranteed job in software and that got my career started.

My suggestion these days would probably be something like:
Get a good starter book on developing phone apps and work on making your own phone apps.

Don't worry about the fact that they won't make you any money, or that there are already dozens of apps that do the same thing. Just use it to learn. Make your own alarm clock app. Make something to send text messages with. Make a little calendar app or whatever other stupid shit you can think up.

Best done with Android because there's no barrier to putting it out there on the app store. The point is still not to make money (you might just release them for free) but to get some experience and use your app store holdings as a resume booster. Plus you'll learn a ton from nasty customer feedback and so forth. ("Your app looks like shit." Well, it probably does. Something to work on!)

Phone apps are legit software development and very accessible. Plus Android is all Java development which is a good language to get into -- relatively easy, powerful and in common use.

Maybe take a couple stand-alone C/C++ programming classes to see that side of things but I would try Java Android development first.

I always say that programming isn't "hard", but it's a very particular mindset.

As a lawyer, let me tell you one thing.

Here in Austria you don't even get a job as a lawyer if you didn't participate in all the retarded busywork bullshit like moot courts, student law publications, open forum discussions and mock trials. And then only if you stood out.
Sure I make good money now but I also work a minimum 50 hours a week and while at university I had a 12 hour schedule every day except Sunday.

But still, it's a race to see who manages to last the longest until burnout hits.

>being a wageslave

You'll always be a cuck if you work for someone else and you'll never be rewarded appropriately unless you're a hedge fund manager or something.

Quit your job, get on neetbux while you startup your own business.

Govt aid is there for a reason. If you're too proud to take advantage of it then you've got no one to blame but yourself.

Learning by practice huh? Sound right up my alley indeed, any starter books you personally would recommend? Good leads otherwise, guess i'll start hammering it out pretty soon, thanks for the answers

>Yeah, I'm a cuck'd parasite depending on my owner's will to survive and not my own skills!
t. NEET cuck

is saying "NEET" a new meme or something ?

NEETs are redpilled

While US is a great place to live (despite all the whining from some groups), don't forget that average wages are distorted by the extremely wealthy. You're better off looking at median wage to get an idea of what the average American makes. And don't forget that cost of living (at least outside of the major cities on the east and west coast) is going to be a lot lower and those dollars will go further here than they would in Europe.

But once it's all said and done, you probably wouldn't be much/any better off here in the US.

>NEETs
>Redpilled
Naw, ultimate cuck blue pill. They exist to justify the eternal semite pushing democracy and socialism scum.

Better than being a LITERAL slave for your jew boss.

You're dependant on your employer for survival.

The only way to true financial freedom is to be self employed. Either that or be born into a wealthy family so you don't have to work.

Being a wageslave is the most pathetic way to eke out an existence.

>BUT I'M DEPENDENT ON THE EVER GROWING JEWISH GOVERNMENT THAT MEANS AM REDPILLED!!!

Here is how I reach the end of the month
>Work hard
>Dedication
>My own weight pulled by my own strength
This is how the neet subhuman does
>Beg
>Feed the jewish goverment power and expansion
>Be generally braindead

Again, you're probably a nigger begging for "Muh handouts muffuga, muh gibsz!"