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Sound Design: >SeamlessR (in-depth music production and sound design tutorials, based on FL Studio) youtube.com/user/SeamlessR
>Syntorial (widely considered the best place to go to learn synthesis) syntorial.com/
>Mr. Bill (Ableton based, some of the best sound design tutorials on the planet. Aimed more towards IDM-type stuff. He also posts his music here) youtube.com/user/MrBillsTunes
Well this is dead. If anyone sees this how awful is this clyp.it/baofcxns#
Evan Miller
sounds pretty good to me. I liked that the bass wasnt so exaggerated as in some dnb. but im no dnb expert, so I cant tell if its very derivative or so.
Isaiah Bailey
I'm not a dnb expert either. Just messing around really. Most of the drum and bass I've listened to is from the 90s.
Grayson Rivera
ok, cool. now you just got to turn it into a track, which to me at least, is the hardest part
clyp.it/3cgyxkav I want to add some more instruments to it, but nothing really seems to match. Any ideas guys? Also, havent mixed it yet, so its gonna sound whack.
Sebastian Wright
stop trolling plz
nothing ever happens.... add a melody
Carson Scott
I want to add a melody, but no matter what instrument i put in, it doesent seem to 'match' you know what i mean? Should I make a melody out of the pad? I'm pretty fixated on pianos, especially rhodes and or E-Pianos. Do you know of any freebie or easily pirated rhode plugin?
Jace Evans
Any good Drum machine vsts that are not just emulations of old roland machines?
Angel Reyes
If nothing matches than change the thing that clashes with everything
Ahhhh it's been a while since I've scoured vst4free for piano plugs but iirc the top ones weren't *terrible*, maybe even decent.
Kontakt factory has a Rhodes type thing.
Or you know google for samples and use a sampler
No and I'll never understand the fixation with drum machines, even less so vst emulations.
Not exactly a drum machine but polyplex is easy/modern sounding
Ethan Sanchez
>using vsts
Matthew Cox
>(You)
Gtfoout
Charles Morris
lol i have standards and you are basically a slut dripping wet crawling from cock to cock; get over yourself
Carson Hill
Why am I so hard now
Bulli me some more please
Sebastian Phillips
>I'll never understand the fixation with drum machines I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Honestly, I just like the sound of synthetic drums. But Im pretty tired of 808s and 909s. And just using samples get pretty boring. I do synthesize sounds myself using both subtractive and fm synthesizers, but sometimes I just want a dedicated drum machine.
this is superb, probably the best mixing job I've ever heard in a prod thread. based only on this I would say you are one of the ones who will be successful while the rest here likely won't go anyway, sad but true.
Nicholas Butler
I think you're a gigafaggot
Nicholas Gray
Thanks for the help. I might pirate kontakt then.
Ian Rogers
there's more at soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria
Christopher Johnson
thank you so much im flattered
Julian Hill
DAD ROCK FAG RETURNS
AND THEN SAME FAGS HIS SHIT FOR APPROVAL AHAHAHAHAHA
its been about a year since i started doing any production, feel like ive made some progress
Dylan Bennett
cool track
Robert Sanders
i didnt samefag
Lucas James
>clyp.it/0qk0ydur Your bassline should mostly be played between the kicks, not on them. The percussion loop get stale after 1min.... (around 1:30 I want to shoot myself) >no comment on using 2 chords The 909 ride meme usually is done a lot more shuffled, and with a jackin house 909 hi hat groove intertwined
I'd say you're average for 1 yr of computer music exp.
Angel Turner
thanks for keeping it real
Josiah Butler
i didnt samefag
Carter Watson
anyone here use renoise?
Lucas Gray
No because I'm not some jungle faggot
Luis Murphy
do I have a bad taste if I really and unironically like this?
Well I'm kind of a Max martin fan when it comes to pop so that's too simplistic for me but I don't see why it would make you a faggot
Jayden Fisher
max martin writes hooky songs, but his sounds are not good
Liam Gonzalez
I'm sure he doesn't do everything (specifically the sound design) user
Ethan Williams
really? that sucks. what about free speech m8?
Lucas Baker
I watched some dokus about him lately and it seems that he's got pretty much everything under control. I guess he's not twisting the knobs himself, but he gives the artistic direction, maybe kinda like Steely Dan
James James
I do but I don't know how to make jungle or breakcore or even music really. Renoise is all I use.
i disagree and it's not just the surface, he's extremely good at layering hundreds of instruments, voices and effects to get that individual almost trademarked sound, that's what i meant by too simplistic his sound design just cannot be beaten
Adam Ramirez
I guess that's subjective then. Personally I like the dreamy electro sound from better than the Martin electro sound a la "into you"
Ethan Mitchell
that's why i said "for me," I understand not everybody likes his sound regardless, nobody is a faggot for liking pop
Jacob Roberts
That's not his sound design, that's the arrangement. Also you're exaggerating
Joseph Russell
you're just arguing semantics now
Zachary Rivera
That's not semantics, you're objectively misusing the terms
Robert Stewart
>layering hundreds of instruments he's right about exaggerating though
Cameron Anderson
don't sound design and arrangement belong together? I mean, when Beethoven wrote a partitura he basically made the sound design, didn't he?
Adam Parker
It's like he just learned that word lol
Leo Wilson
It's called hyperbole and it's a perfectly valid figure of speech. I don't know how many tracks he has on his songs, I wish I did, I'm just stating that his sound comes from taking layering to the next level.
Landon Sanchez
I have a question for you regarding Ableton and performance. The other day I was watching this tutorial and the guy was using the "utility" plugin instead of the faders to mix/adjust the levels of the tracks. People were calling him crazy for doing that in the comments. Lately, I started doing it too because I found out it's convenient when you want to use the faders on the USB control while performing. What do you think?
Colton Reyes
it's also exaggerated because Martin's layering is not special at all. I actually think that he makes sparse mixes to make it appealing to the most stupid listener
I don't know that piece user, but I'm guessing no.
Sound design can clutter an arrangement if it's too busy/thick etc, and it starts to intertwine with the mix there as well.
Arrangement is what goes/plays where. Sound design is literally making the sounds from scratch (or hooking up guitar pedals or whatever)
I do it too. My template has a macro on the master for my controller just for convenience lol
Just make sure you check your gainstaging when you're ready to bounce down. It's not that big of a deal if you know what you're doing
Jaxson Robinson
I do the same thing and I actually looked specifically for that function without knowing it existed, because automatization with the mixer is annoying
Jaxson Brooks
Which Ableton Effects do you guys use? Besides EQ Eight and such. I need to utilize these more.
Jaxon Hill
But you can hear that there are very few instruments playing at any given time in those songs. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but compare it with this youtube.com/watch?v=t_yL-Yzz-SE The many different instruments, the effects, the synths, that perfect guitar solo. Again I'm not saying one is better than the other, but Martin's tracks have much more complexity. You can hear tons of sounds in the instrumental that are lost to the ear in the full version, but are felt and you would be able to tell if you were to take them out. That understated complexity is what I like.
Wyatt Brown
reverb, delay, saturator, overdrive, compressor, amp, auto filter... I would recommend you to use effects if you got aware of them in music you like and try to learn exactly what they do instead of drowning your mix in too many of them. the effects you use should be part of your personal style
Ryan Sullivan
maybe we have different ears. I hear lots more instruments playing, especially in the higher registers
Ian Gutierrez
>reverb, delay, saturator, overdrive, compressor, amp, auto filter..
for all instruments? including drums? which of these tools do not work with some instruments?
Gabriel Lewis
>I watched some dokus about him lately Links/names of the ones you liked pls?
Dylan Harris
I use amp in combination with overdrive and saturator when I try to make distorted riffs. without amp it sounds cheap imo. I put reverb basically on everything in different amount on a return track. I try to create dreamy/spacy sounds with delay and sweeps with the auto filter and especially with the lfo in it. I put a compressor on almost anything. I want to learn a bit more about phaser, flanger and chorus in the next time. I have to say that I'm a nooby noob when it comes to sound design. I'm composing and playing piano on a high level for years now, but I havent done alot with DAWs so far.
Off topic: does the text box lag for you too like hell right now? everything runs smoothly on my machine only Sup Forums lags as fuck
In short it's bad because with an USB mic you're cramming up an interface inside the microphone, and to keep prices low enough the interface ends up being worse. If you want a condenser mic like the Blue Yeti, buying an AT2020 and a separate interface will give you way better results.
Then again "bad" can mean different things, an AT2020 is also bad for a professional record. If you like the sound of the Blue Yeti for your purposes that's fine, but understand the inherent limitations to ALL USB mikes
Sebastian Brown
i was classically trained in piano for 11 years. this shit is a completely different beast...i feel you heavy on the sound design. its too complicated for me rn haha
Wyatt Rodriguez
i learned a valuable lesson with the piano which is that you only have so much time to learn something that the best thing to do is to focus on stuff that genuinely interests you and to swallow your pride and skip on everything else. knowing this I waited with audio production for years until it came naturally, after some frustrating approaches years ago. I'm actually grateful that I can find some fun in it now without any pressure to achieve something. and this goes out to all anons in these prod-threads: if you want to compose or produce just because you think it's rewarding: wait until you really want to do it
Jason Long
Thanks
Chase Martinez
Thank you.
Austin Cox
long term goals would be to make a living off of this. I have a feeling i could do it. i have a lot of ideas that i just cannot put into the computer with much success. but the ideas are definitely there and sound good in my head
Jack Martin
Mmmm stop putting reverb on "everything and use groups/ returns
There are no rules as to what "works" on every instrument, though transient shapers being most often useful for drums is the only real example if you're on 10
Basically all of them are worth pulling out. I can't think of any that have been useless besides eq3, and the amp/cab sims, which are really just sub par... I still use them on occasion though lol.
Sebastian Perez
I tried using amp stock plug-ins in Ableton for my guitar, but it sounds like complete rubbish. Do you get good results with synths?
Samuel Morgan
not him but you gotta eq heavy there, especially around 4-500 i find
definitely sounds better just using it as a distortion for drums and synths
I have an official instrumental of Skrillex's "Purple Lamborghini", and most of it peaks near 0dB.
If I compare the parts on the original with the same parts on the instrumental, they're at the same volume, but in the instrumental it doesn't get quieter when the vocals are supposed to be.
When I try to phase-cancel them to get the vocals they cancel out well enough, and ignoring the vocals (which are obviously much louder now than the rest), the volume stays pretty steady almost all the time (especially during parts where it alternates between having and not having vocals), meaning that the volume of the backing track on the original is the same as that of the instrumental version I have.
So if I tried to add my on vocals (singing the same stuff as Rick Ross), I'd have to either have the whole instrumental quiet and have the vocals sitting on top (making it peak much higher during the vocals, which obviously doesn't happen in the original version), or sidechain the instrumental so it's lower when there are vocals (which also doesn't happen in the original), or employ some severe compression/limiting to squash everything together when there are vocals, so that at the end everything peaks at the same level.
So what's going on here? Did they sicply make a new mix for the instrumental so that everything is peaking at 0dB while the original would have quieter parts if the vocals got removed, or these were the levels they were working with when they added the vocals?
Pic semi-related I guess.
Jaxson Morgan
>Did they sicply make a new mix for the instrumental probably
Nolan Davis
I normally just use the drum synths in Maschine. Bretty gud desu famalam
Samuel Ross
>I guess he's not twisting the knobs himself, but he gives the artistic direction, maybe kinda like Steely Dan ...or Goldie
Chase Thompson
>anyone here use renoise? Just trying to learn how to use it.
>No because I'm not some jungle faggot
Adam Smith
is it ok to use stock EZDrummer midi patterns on my music?
>No because I'm not some jungle faggot Why the homophobia?
Parker Sanchez
Drum sounds weird as fuck. Don't know if its the midi pattern, the way to swingy rythm og the fact that they sound flat as fuck bro. Go listen to Tame Impalas early stuff and strieve for those drum sounds... As in "Its not meant to be". MB use it as reference track.
>Need mixing advice I would love some advice and critique on the mixing/mastering of this. Listen if you like horny/lo-fi house vibes. WIP: clyp.it/h4icme52
Parker Miller
Yeah that's fine just don't rely on them
Also your soloing needs work- I only listened to 20 seconds or so but you resolve your phrases on boring/repeated notes a lot.
Funny guy
Biggest thing to jump out is unbalanced volume
Charles Rodriguez
i guess i mean actually relying on them ... listen till end then
Mason Lewis
what's wrong with that? they're just a blank canvas, you can tweak tjheir parameters to get to the sound you want.
Cameron Peterson
is the accompainment guitar standing out enough? any other comments on the song? clyp.it/yo4y5f25
Adrian Martinez
Thanks. Could you give some insight to which instruments the levels are unbalanced bro?
Jose Young
do unidirectional condenser mics exist? i prefer the sound of condenser mics to sm57s for example but they would pick too much ambient noise on my bedroom
Ethan Baker
U go insiede the illegal rave place fuck is this far away techno subacqueam beat? go in front of soundsystem what do?
>clyp.it/jesjibpf expect a better techno tune than this shit. Kickdrum is boring. Sidechaining is EDM style not techno style. Sounds are truly unimaginative.
Juan Young
>what do?
>lean against bass stack >take spectacles from breast pocket >put spectacles over eye >pull out dictionary from back pocket >open dictionary >learn how to fucking engwish mutherfucker
