Is there truth to the veganism is better for the environment meme...

Is there truth to the veganism is better for the environment meme? I don't give a shit about animal rights but that sounds like a more reasonable argument.

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>Implying that you as a single person are ever going to affect anything on a large enough scale to make your decisions truly matter
Check out this egomaniac over here

It's false.

If everybody went vegan, there would be huge ecological unsustainability across the world.

You can be vegan only if:
1. Smug, upper middle class
2. Poor, unable to afford milk/meats.

It takes roughtly 10 units of vegetable to produce one unit of meat, and that's without counting the other structural costs producing meat recquires

Source on the shemale, would like to bust some nuts

yes of course it is true. meat farming is incredibly intensive and requires vast amounts of water etc compared to arable farming

you could make an argument about breeding animals on land that is otherwise inaccessible for farming e.g goats on mountains but that is so marginal it is not worthwhile

also nice tits

>dem titties

Sarina Valentina you fucking degenerate.

o it's a shemale? even better

That's a man.

I actually took a program funded by my state and got certified in testing water quality, etc.

We also learned a lot about agriculture and water. It turns out that it takes about 460 gallons of water for every quarter pound of beef.

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>open the gate a little

>It turns out that it takes about 460 gallons of water for every quarter pound of beef.
Fuck man, we're going to run out of water at that rate. Why does humanity burn through all of its finite resources?

Nope. Herbivores are much more efficient at processing vegetable matter, and can extract nutrients from silage (inedible cobs, stems, leaves, roots) that would be toxic to humans.

They consume a lot more plant matter to store the same amount of calories, but that plant matter would just go to waste otherwise, and meat packs a lot more nutrition into a much smaller and more accessible package than even soybeans can.

A lot of friends went veg and I asked why and they gave no straight answers besides

>muh poop
>muh cute baby animals

Oh and this figure fluctuates depending on who did the study, but unbiased sources says its about 2,000 gallons of water per pound of beef.

Production is the main problem with meat, not the consumption.

Yes, it takes more energy to grow animal products than grow crops.

It's a very simple equation.

Vegetable food = plant food + water + sun + harvesting the crop + storing the vegetables

Animal food = plant food + water + sun + the resulting vegetable food + feeding it over time to an animal + slaughtering the animal + preparing and storing the meat

Sarina Valentina according to the google image search. I don't watch shemale porn..
you're a trap fucking faggot.
Who would fuck traps or masturbate to them?
that's disgusting.
Like, I would never ever do that.
I wouldnt even date a trap. I have normal girlfriends with vaginas.
traps are gross.
Anyway, that's the source of the pic anyway. And desu, Sarina Valentina is pretty hot, but not as hot as Kimber james. But I don't liek traps.. Just saying.

Water is a renewable resource, all you have to do is take care of the potable or usable water we have.

We have a HUGE "water conservation community" where I live because we use two aquifers(one of them doesn't refill) and a lot of farm land.

>water is used up as a finite resource
>it doesn't run to the ocean, evaporate, and then rain back down on land

But meat is also may times more nutrient dense than vegetal matter. Also the plants meat animals eat are most often shit humans cannot consume.

I should have known.

Yeah, I hate traps too. Even though Sarina has the perfect tiny penis that never gets erect ever and a fat ass I only sleep with women with vaginas, ew.

Vegans eat a shit ton of soy. Soy makes you produce estrogen, male vegans are mega pussies and female vegan hormones are unbalanced.

Trap fucking degenerate or not you'd have to be a newfag to not recognize that faggot.

Water has to be conserved and treated if it is isn't used appropriately. Look at California, they're in the middle of a huge drought and they're on the coast.

Just because water evaporates and is released back into the environment doesn't mean that we can use it.

I fucking hate this world

evaporated water takes none of the pathogens or toxins with it, not even the salt

and Cali is in a drought because most of the state is a desert and we're run by libs who can't into aqueducts

But are the nipples right?

Haha yea.. I hate them.. Fucking transtesticles. I would probably date Kim Petras, but that's because she's been on estrogen all her adult life, and has had penis removed. Dicks are gross. I like feminine things.
Why would I recognize a shemale? what do you think im some trap fucker? Ur the faggot.

Yes, evaporated water is clean. No, that doesn't mean that we can use it. It gets 'cleaned' when it evaporates but it is contaminated again by the time it reaches a water source that we actually draw from like an aquifer or the ocean.

The water is unusable unless treated even if it has evaporated and returned to the environment. I worked on this stuff for three months man, I know what I'm talking about.

The environment runs off of hierarchy and consumption. The way we are doing things, with allowances for future development, is fine essentially.

Kill yourself faggot

Oh god who is this sexy chick.
I would do anything to kiss her titties.

I really wish I had the willpower to completely switch to vegetables and shit. I take metamucil all the time just to keep the intestinal pain away.

I am a non practicing vegan, so I get the best of both worlds.

That's a dude

All the cow farts as a result of the demand for burgers are literally worse than all the coal burnt for the atmosphere

True fact

It isn't. Consider this:
>One of the first if not the LEADING cause of species endangerment and all that shit is effectively the destruction of habitats to either get wood or crops.
>If you have a corn field, you can use the cornkob and the stem/leaves for other uses, one of which could be feeding animals
>If you erase meat production, the uses of said corn field reduces

Granted farming is way more intensive in terms of water and other resources, it can be easily fed. And you don't necesarilly need ton feed a cow exaclty the same parts you would with a human, just give it some plant matter rich in cellulose and done.

Also other problems with having only crops are:
>We digest less well plant matter (mentioned already)
>Need to use fertilizers, which can cause water poisoning (eutrophication)
>Increase in use of plaguicides, if you have to make crops your only source of food you will need ways to male sure fungui, bugs and others don't kill your food.

thats a tranny

>completely switch to vegetables and shit
for most people that is just an unrealistic goal. so when people try it they quit and go back to their original bad habits.

just cutting back makes a big difference. fish twice a week, beef no more than twice a week. simple stuff like that

>care about the environment.
That's another meme

>vegans need shitloads of plants to survive
>vegans clearcut forests for big faggoty bean farms
>ecosystem still ruined

>It takes roughtly 10 units of vegetable to produce one unit of meat, and that's without counting the other structural costs producing meat recquires
However all vegetables are not fungible.

Also intensive grazing animals is very healthy for grasslands.
youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Why did you even post this pic, this pussy has to be taking in loads of meat every night. She probably makes fuckloads of money shoveling people's meat into all holes.

Most of those numbers are false; They take the energy requirement and abstract it into electricity equivalents then apply the cooling water for electricity to the production cost of the first item.

Morons

Even aside from methane produced by cattle, large-scale agriculture:
>uses tons of water
>causes fecal runoff into streams and ponds, causing eutrophocation
>also makes water dirty and undrinkable
>cattle ranching is responsible for destroying much of the Amazon
>much of the nation's corn and grain goes to animal feed and not human consumption
>vegetables have a higher nutrient yield for amount of water, land, and energy used

Some of you are so contrarian you say "fuck nature lol" because environmentalists tend to be liberals. I can't eat the fish I catch because of heavy metal poisoning. The destruction of woodlands for the expansion of suburbia kills off local predators, allowing pests like rabbits, skunks, and possums to multiply. Soon everything will be paved over with asphalt and concrete, and I hope triggering liberals is worth it.

Yeah, but it's gay as hell. Veganism is gay as hell. Vegans and vegetarians are bigger faggots than most attendees at a pride parade.

This os the only good pic of her, everything else shows how disgustingly tidgid her fake tits are

>she

>she
how fucking new are you

>The water is unusable unless treated even if it has evaporated and returned to the environment. I worked on this stuff for three months man, I know what I'm talking about.
Have you never seen a river?

Guess what farmers beside rivers use to water their crops? Untreated river water.

Drinking water is subject to more treatment but depending on region the amount varies wildly. At least it's filtered, so that pipes don't clog, at worst it's a total treatment and filtering process taking sewage and making it into drinking water.

find a flaw

Vegans tend to be on the extreme side but there are genuine arguments for limiting meat consumption for health and moral reasons. The industrial farm system is pretty cartoonishly brutal and you don't have to be a leftist to see that. Obviously hunting for your own meat is different though

The Mackenzie river dumps enough fresh water a year to supply 100% of the world with meat for every meal of every day of the year, almost 100% unused into the arctic ocean.

9,900 cubic meters per second on average over the year.

Meat production is very resource intensive, so all else being equal, veganism should be better for the environment.

The kind of people who are vegans also tend to support less efficient organic farming techniques, though, so assuming the two were going to go hand in hand, that may offset some of the environmental benefits.

>causes fecal runoff into streams and ponds, causing eutrophocation
>also makes water dirty and undrinkable
So does the fertilizers, and even worse, plaguicides.

>much of the nation's corn and grain goes to animal feed and not human consumption
The problem there has more to do with the management of the resources. As bovine and ovine farms could sustain themselves without barely needing any grain (based on their physiology).

There is one flaw. That woman has a penis, and is a lesbian.

Or that man has breasts.

Either way, flawed.

Supply and demand
If less people eat meat, there is less of a demand. If there is less of a demand, it is less profitable.
>basic economics
>economic illiterate

Everything I eat is sourced locally and I eat what is in season. All from within 100 miles of my house.


Can a vegan say the same? With all your hippy dippy exotic bullshit being powered across the seas and trucked all over the world, wiping out endangered rainforests?

Fuck you contrarian, privileged fucks.

Whoever did those fake tits did a fucking terrible job.

Seems fairly obvious that would be the case, though I imagine some of the eco-warriors are intentionally underplaying how certain replacements for meat would impact the environment.

But what does it matter? People are absolutely not going to stop eating meat and meat makes lots and lots of money. Veganism also requires a certain level of money, time, and dedication that most people don't have. So the cost of hospitalizing feinting office workers a few thousand times a week will have its toll.

What you need to do is find a way to popularize vegan food and to make meat-free alternatives better and more viable. It's the only way you'll reduce meat consumption without poisoning meat everywhere.

There is nothing gay about fucking a feminine trap.
Note: the word here is feminine. You want to fuck her because she reminds you of a woman and your mind actually thinks you are fucking a woman.
Penis is just a bonus.

Vegans are massively into growing their own food and buying locally. I find it hard to believe you buy locally and you haven't come across the vegan/hippie community.

such a pretty face, too bad she tuined herself with those fake plastic tits. Fake tits never look good.

veganism is overboard. raising millions of livestock in one area over time is bad, the land cant handle all the urine and feces.

if we raised livestock on our own land, and everyone actually hand land, instead of living in commie blocks, then veganism wouldn't be needed to off balance mcdonalds.

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Super-ultra-mega-cherry-picking-9000

*mounts dog eagerly*

Meanwhile, back in reality:

That's a faggot pretending to be a female.

It is. See water footprint.
Not like a give a shit though. Would watch the world burn for steaks.

>fake tits
lel, everything on that is fake.
Wouldn't mind some succ from that though

I wish I was a woman with cow tits and feed my beautiful superior aryan childen with my delightful fat milk.

SLIDE THREAD.

>Implying vegans are happy people.

Weirdo

those fake tits look fucking disgusting

of course it's true. not that abstractions should be more important than actual living beings. being vegan is a good idea and basically a prerequisite to deserve the label "human" not to mention "White".