Are drawings depicting minors having sex legal in your country?

Are drawings depicting minors having sex legal in your country?

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Aren't they illegal here?

No since it's a drawing.
Actually yes, but a backstory saying she's 1009 years old makes up for it.

No. They're legal in most places in the world including the US.

There are some state laws against Lolicon, but unless the art is drawn in the likeness of a real child (like pedophile Shadman's drawings are), they are legally okay.

Don't some states prohibit them?

>Are drawings depicting minors having sex legal in your country?

As long as they aren't obviously traced on real little girls' pictures they must be legal here since our legislation hasn't been updated in like 50 years in many aspects, and the politicians here are very clueless about the internet or whatever they believe kids are into nowadays, the cops are actually working on arresting pedophiles, they arrested some guy that kidnapped little girls and uploaded pictures to the internet a month or so ago it ws all over the news

I wouldn't want anybody to know I'm having pictures like that in my computer even if they are just drawings though.

anything lewd and sexual are not permitted. be it drawings, photo, arts, music, literature, everything. but there's always the shady black markets

>square cones

How are Shadman's drawings in the likeness of a real child exactly?

hell yes, why shouldn't they be?

Because he tends to draw a lot of celebrity children in sexually explicit poses because he is a pedophile.

For instance, the lawyer of the 12 year old girl's actor from Logan threatened him with litigation over depictions of her being raped, mutilated, and defecated on.

Shadman is a pedophile. If you support Shadman you support child abuse.

ur really butthurt but please dont compare being drawn to actually being raped, piece of shit

Shadman humiliates actual children by depicting them being raped. If someone took a picture of your son or daughter and drew him or her being raped you would consider than man dangerous and an immediate threat to your child.

Shadman is a pedophile and so are people who support him.

Well no. Drawings do not constitute "child abuse". Also very few of his pictures portray real life children at all. Most are simply characters.

Shadman is a dangerous pedophile and his supporters enable his antisocial behavior.

Ah yes so spooky he's watching a movie. Doesn't seem dangerous to me regardless of if he's a pedo. You seem to be a bit too personally offended by him for whatever reason. So long as he has good art I have no reason not to visit his site.

Shadman finds children encouraged by their parents into saying sexually explicit things for her pedophile fans and then draws her in sexually suggestive situations for her pedophile fans. Shadman is also a pedophile.

I think it's really a matter of subjectivity at this point. We had a case that was popular in the news of a translator who worked with depictions of minors in sexual activities and he was freed from the charges. Interestingly enough, one of the reasons for his release was that it was his professional occupation. Another point was that only a two or three images were considered "too realistic". And that was out of hundreds of images.

Last time I heard something about the legality of pornographic drawings was last year when a politician from Moderaterna brought it up. I can't remember her name but they opposed the idea of drawings being illegal as it's basically a victimless crime and an infringement of the right to free speech or whatever.

Again, I'm fairly certain that it's technically illegal but I haven't heard of another case since "Mangamålet". It's mostly about muslim prophets when it comes to drawings.

Shadman is an obsessive stalker and a pedophile. He is enabled by his pedophile fans into making pedophilia his full time career.

Shadman will draw non-sexually explicit work of other people's children and host it alongside his pornography. He does this as a warning shot to the parents of those children. If you cause Shadman problems, he will draw pornography of you raping your child and sell it to his pedophile fans.

Literally don't care. Responding over and over isn't going to outrage me or something. You seem a bit obsessed so maybe you should start a change.org petition to take down his site. I meanwhile will continue visit it so long as it has good art. Couldn't give a fuck about Shadman or what he does on his own time.

If you financially support Shadman you are supporting a pedophile and are enabling him to hurt children and parents.

I am about as pro freedom of speech as possible without a complete deconstruction of society. I am deeply, personally involved with it every day of my life. I continue to live in the Untied States because it is the only country that offers such broad and strong protections of freedom of speech.

Even under the most liberal, less restrictive purview possible, it is impossible for me see Shadman as anything other than a dangerous pedophile normalizing the sexualization of real children to his pedophile fans.

fucking no. fantasy is fantasy.

nobody cares retard go post on reddit about it you self righteous twat

You've already made up your mind mind and are dedicated to masturbating to child pornography. I simply wish to make the point to anyone who happens to be reading.

Just remember you are financially supporting someone who probably does buy real child pornography.

>a drawing is child pornography

okay brainlet. i'm sure you feel very noble and brave right now

not really. i use ad block on most sites. doubt he gets much of anything from my occasional visit.

Stop shitting up my thread, burgers.
I didn't follow the news closely, was Sweden on that guys side who drew Muhammed? Or do they not condone that?

>okay brainlet. i'm sure you feel very noble and brave right now
There's nothing brave about telling people the truth. It should be expected of everyone.

whoa powerful...

people normalize violence and no one cares so why is drawn child porn any more of a taboo? Lots of 13 year olds cyberkill each others in call of duty every day, are you advocating against that as well?

Yeah, but I've only heard of it being enforced twice. First was a guy who was already a convicted molester and second was a Chinese student who tried to import physical manga.

I think if you tried making a call of duty game where every single character was just an actual child replicated without anyone's consent, you'd probably have a similar legal problem, yes.

I think the crux with pedophile Shadman and his pedophile enablers () is that they seek out material that is reconstructive of specific children because they already sexualize them. Shadman, as a pedophile, is also very obsessed with Dafnee Keen. Other pedophile stalkers obsessed with Dafnee Keen will reward him for satisfying their fantasies.

>a Chinese student who tried to import physical manga
lol Do you know what happened to him?

still victimless crimes until proven guilty of conspiring to cause harm to actual children. i agree that people like shadman ought to be on an active watchlist but as of now he's innocent.

I think he just got deported.

You can argue that the crime is victimless but it's still a crime. Digitally replicating child pornography in a way that is (1) indistinguishable from a real article, or (2) is created in the likeness of a real child--even stylized.

Though I'd argue the act of painting someone who's underage and sexualizing them can potentially fall under things like sexual harassment, depending. The work on Keen was prominent enough that it got her lawyer on him and his host shut him down over threats. It was obviously showing up in places that her talent agencies were finding.

>drawing pic
>illegal

what the third world.

Japan will illegalize it after the olympics.

Yes, thankfully. Wouldn't want to live in a country that has thought crime.

>even stylized.
[Citation needed]

You have a major projecting problem lad. I suggest taking some time to rationally think things out instead of emotionally responding to everything.

Anti-pedo witch hunters are exactly like SJWs, you cannot argue with them rationally. It's all emotion and shit flinging.

>[Citation needed]
U.S. Code § 2252A(a)(7)

Any person who ...

.... knowingly produces with intent to distribute, or distributes, by any means, including a computer, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, child pornography that is an adapted or modified depiction of an identifiable minor.

... shall be punished as provided in subsection (b)

(b) "shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years"


>man willingly admits he jerks off to pictures of Dafnee Keen being raped
>pretends to have moral highground


As a victim of faux pedophile witch hunting I do not make these statements lightly. At all. It has destroyed my entire life and any hope of a career, but I say with absolute conviction that Shadman is a pedophile and his portrayal of real children is a manifestation of his illness.

Worth nothing in subsection (a)(6) it defines child pornography more loosely as

(6) knowingly distributes, offers, sends, or provides to a minor any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, where such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct—

There are obviously people who holds both sentiments. I can't quite remember which way the, then current, government leaned. Both the ideological and political climate in Sweden seem to be continually more polarised.

Wow, the US really does have shit laws. That could be constructed to apply to any loli picture, just claim that it's a depiction of an identifiable minor.

>but I say with absolute conviction that Shadman is a pedophile
And?
>and his portrayal of real children is a manifestation of his illness.
And?

Why exactly does this matter?

>As a victim of faux pedophile witch hunting I do not make these statements lightly. At all. It has destroyed my entire life and any hope of a career,

Okay LARPer

>man willingly admits he jerks off to pictures of Dafnee Keen being raped

Literally didn't even know who Dafnee Keen was until your autistic tirade about Shadman.

I'm assuming you think that means loli is illegal when in reality its referencing pictures to actual children or pictures that are clearly traced or intended to look like actual children. Shadman definitely skirts the line in this (mainly because some of the pictures he draws are clearly in direct reference to specific minors.) not because he draws loli.

Howevermuch it matters to you is subjective. I just don't enjoy knowing that there is a man making tens of thousands of dollars of the visual depictions of actual children being raped. I do not believe this person should be permitted to do so freely. I do not believe that this person should be allowed to bully and intimidate others by drawing their children with the implication that they will draw porn if they do things the Pedophile does not like.

It doesn't have to be a 1:1 trace to constitute likeness, but you may interpret law however you please. I'm not your attorney and have no stakes in 'winning' an argument.

I'm not lying about being ruined by pedophile witch hunt. A man took it upon himself to hurt me and has done so quite successfully. I do not make these statements on Shadman's pedophilia without consideration.

>Howevermuch it matters to you is subjective
Well I could say the same to you. Or anyone else, really.
>I just don't enjoy knowing that there is a man making tens of thousands of dollars of the visual depictions of actual children being raped.
That's your problem. I don't have an issue with it.
>I do not believe this person should be permitted to do so freely.
I do.
>I do not believe that this person should be allowed to bully and intimidate others by drawing their children with the implication that they will draw porn if they do things the Pedophile does not like.
I do. If people don't like others drawing pictures of them or their offspring, they need to grow a thicker skin.

Do you believe any laws regarding harassment, stalking, or defamation should exist?

Correct. You have to have an actual kid to hold it up to. The Logan and LtCorbis drawings clearly depict an actual child, same with Keemstar's kid. You take some random Jap loli manga and there's no chance in hell of you being able to do an ID match on that unless the guy was tracing CP (which has happened).

Okay maybe you should make a thread about it on reddit or something. You seem to be wanting everyone here to be as outraged and offended as you are.

> just don't enjoy knowing that there is a man making tens of thousands of dollars of the visual depictions of actual children being raped.

Pretty sure I can count the number of pictures you're trying to reference on less than one full hand.

>It doesn't have to be a 1:1 trace to constitute likeness

No but it has to very clearly BE that specific minor in question and BE in a clearly sexual position for it to even hold water. As I've said, the number of times Shadman has even done this is a small fraction of his work.

Your entire post is dismissive and you obviously care a lot about being able to jerk off to your gross weird child fetish porn dude, so go do it. I'm not going to flip you on this issue.

Why are you so fixated on that one man's sexual preference? What's it to you?

Sure I do. Physical harrassment and defamation should remain illegal. Neither apply here, as this man is clearly just making art and putting it up on the internet. Why do you think this would be defamation?

And the likeness is arbitrary anyway. A random jap loli could bear a vague resemblance to a real kid, which could be enough for a crusading anti-pedo judge to send an artist away for a long time.

Yes it's dismissive because I don't take you seriously. You've made 15 posts in this thread complaining about Shadman because of a handful of his pictures which are legally questionable. I'm sorry you didn't get the outrage you wanted. You've projected multiple times. As I've said I didn't even know who this girl from Logan was until your rant, yet you accuse me of seeking out drawn porn of her. You can't control yourself enough to not mention Shadman without immediately typing pedophile before or after because you are so emotionally affected by this.

>Why are you so fixated on that one man's sexual preference? What's it to you?
Shadman is an infuriating combination of sexual predator and smug.

>Sure I do. Physical harrassment and defamation should remain illegal. Neither apply here, as this man is clearly just making art and putting it up on the internet. Why do you think this would be defamation?
I wasn't saying any of those applied in particular, I'm asking you if you believe any sort of personal attack are permissible. As I mentioned before, it easily classifies as sexual harassment.

>And the likeness is arbitrary anyway. A random jap loli could bear a vague resemblance to a real kid, which could be enough for a crusading anti-pedo judge to send an artist away for a long time.
It does with the more conservative people, but legally? No. A judge does not arbitrarily convict people. That's not how it works.


>Yes it's dismissive because I don't take you seriously.
Then there's nothing to be said.

>>Why are you so fixated on that one man's sexual preference? What's it to you?
Oh, and he makes a fuck ton of money appeasing pedophiles. It should be stopped.

Pretty sure Shadman fucked his gf or something

Not just because he is a pedophile, but because it is at the expense of real kids.

porn is illegal in here LOL

Why should it be stopped? Because you don't personally like it? You are obsessed dude.

I want you to tell me how many of his pictures are references to real kids then I want you to tell me how many of those pictures are blatantly sexual in nature.

wtf i hate sh*dman now

because he traces everything, fucker can't draw anything right on his own.

>Shadman is an infuriating combination of sexual predator
Who exactly has he preyed on?
>and smug
So what?
>I wasn't saying any of those applied in particular, I'm asking you if you believe any sort of personal attack are permissible.
I do think that people crying about defamation and such are usually just whining pussies. Let people say and draw what they want. Active harrassment is different, though.
>As I mentioned before, it easily classifies as sexual harassment.
I'm not seeing how.
>A judge does not arbitrarily convict people. That's not how it works.
But you're doing it all the time in clapistan.

>Oh, and he makes a fuck ton of money appeasing pedophiles
So what?
>It should be stopped.
Because you don't like it?

Sounds like an appeal to emotion to me.

>I want you to tell me how many of his pictures are references to real kids then I want you to tell me how many of those pictures are blatantly sexual in nature.
Pedophile Shadman drew an entire series on Dafnee Keen. IIRC, It was at least 10+ different variations of the same premises, with altering combinations of scat, urine, open wounds, blood, etc in the rape depicted of the child.

He drew a full page comic on Lt Corbis where she was ejaculated on by her microphones.

He drew a full page of Keemstar and his daughter as a warning shot.

Pic related is a tracing of a child from an actual convention photo. If you think these are innocuous, consider they are hosted on his pornography website. Under US Federal Law, the CONTEXT in which a photo is found influences the decision of if its child pornography or not. A photo album of your kids naked is not CP, but a photo album of other people's kids naked found alongside lolicon doujin can potentially be added a child pornography charges.

In the US, Lolicon CP charges are usually additional charges added on top of real photos and videos. The context of Shadman's choice to republish the likeness of the real child in his artist style alongside his pornography changes the meaning and intention of the art.


I know he's recently been drawing serialized photos of more celebrity's kids, because he is a pedophile who wants to rape children and sell child rape to his fans. There was one celebrity in particular with """non-binary""" kids and he's been using that for trap doujin in their likeness.

There's more. I only follow his work through intermediary sources that hawk him for a smoking gun. We contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate.

>serialized
sexualized*

just ignore that ledditor and move on, better yet, post some near nudity 2D to trigger him so he will fuck off if he's a genuinely triggered lefist and hopefully stop infesting this site.

I don't care about cartoon porn of young looking characters. I'm not religious. I just see the profiting off the sexualization of real children, especially at the time they are still children, to be reprehensible and psychologically damaging. Which it is.

Your loli porn doesn't bother me. Shadman's predatory pedophile behavior does.

>Pedophile Shadman drew an entire series on Dafnee Keen. IIRC, It was at least 10+ different variations of the same premises, with altering combinations of scat, urine, open wounds, blood, etc in the rape depicted of the child.
So what?
>He drew a full page comic on Lt Corbis where she was ejaculated on by her microphones.
And?
>He drew a full page of Keemstar and his daughter as a warning shot.
So?
>Pic related is a tracing of a child from an actual convention photo
Okay, the art could be better. She looks like a gnome from WoW.
>I know he's recently been drawing serialized photos of more celebrity's kids,
And this matters... how exactly?
>because he is a pedophile who wants to rape children and sell child rape to his fans
Isn't this defamation?
>There was one celebrity in particular with """non-binary""" kids and he's been using that for trap doujin in their likeness.
How is this an issue?
>There's more. I only follow his work through intermediary sources that hawk him for a smoking gun. We contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate.
Sounds like he should sue you for harassment.

>He drew a full page of Keemstar and his daughter as a warning shot.

Yes that's how you interpreted it I'm sure.

>an entire series on Dafnee Keen

Well it was actually like 3 pictures and the one with scat you keep referencing was just the same picture with a couple different variations that are pretty much the same.


>He drew a full page comic on Lt Corbis where she was ejaculated on by her microphones.

Oy vey

>Pic related is a tracing of a child from an actual convention photo.

Yeah no lad. Maybe he took the inspiration from that but that isn't a fucking "trace" you retard. It's the same looking art as all his other shit. I trace would look like an actual kid.

You are full of shit and you have basically an example and a half out of hundreds of works he's done. Just end it lad.

>I only follow his work through intermediary sources that hawk him for a smoking gun. We contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate.
>we contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate

I will attend his funeral when he dies in prison, user.

think im worried for you more than shadman at this point

>Isn't this defamation?
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Peter_Zenger

>Zenger's lawyers, Andrew Hamilton and William Smith, Sr., successfully argued that truth is a defense against charges of libel.[5]

;)

>Shadman's predatory pedophile behavior does

I dislike shadman for his persona and his art like every "decent" poster on this website, but if anything he should be the least of your concern in terms of rooting out the source of your problem.

He doesn't need your help in crashing and burning himself, since you have been stalking him you should know that shadman is a retard IRL and got thrown out of his school for leaving out his real name with his "art" on his website.

He will kill himself soon enough for playing with fire especially since he targets children of (or loli-sating) celebrities, sooner or later someone will be butthurt enough to hit shadman with a case so hard he will never be able to live as a normal human being ever again.

I think it's laughable that you think killing off shadman alone will do any good in your goal of stopping child sexualization in US when there's a 100 more guys doing the same thing as he did.

In conclusion, I think you are a fucking hypocrite and attacks shadman because of a personal grudge rather than stopping "child predators".

这是公平的。我不参加,只看。

How exactly are you planning to prove that he wants to rape children?

It's impossible to prove that, I need only point to his body of work to make the assertion one could reasonably believe what I've said based on what he does. Most normal people (i.e. judges) would agree with my assertion that it is reasonable to assume from his lolicon drawings that he is interested in sex with children. Because children cannot consent, all sex with children is rape. Therefore, he wants to rape children.

>我不参加,只看。

>There's more. I only follow his work through intermediary sources that hawk him for a smoking gun. We contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate.

the rest of the replies in the thread clearly shows a personal vendetta, intentions and actions beyond a simple bystander who dislikes shadman.

obsessed

他们,不我。

>We contact these people's parents and encourage them to litigate.

You said "We" you fucking nigger.

>It's impossible to prove that
So there we have it, case closed, it's defamation.

对,oops.

That's not how it works. I've never accused Mr. Shadman Prejean of being a convicted sex offender, which would require that level of burden of proof. I've merely said that from his work it is safe to assume that he wants to rape children and that he peddles rape to pedophiles, which I believe is a safe assumption to make. I do not believe any artist could draw what he does without an intense visceral interest in the subject. Other artists would refuse.

Think there's plenty of artists that draw loli rape that don't want to go out and rape children. Think that nasty habit of projecting is popping up again.

It's ok to have an autistic obsession over anything, just don't fucking hide behind something noble which clearly doesn't align with what you are doing.

You can destroy shadman's life for all I care because I hate his work too and plebeians on this site triggers me when they disagree with the other posters on this site who justifiably calls on his art for being shit, just don't be a fucking hypocrite about it.

You can't accuse someone of wanting to rape children for drawing lewd pictures just like you can't accuse someone of wanting to murder for making a violent video game. Try again, you defamer.

>I've merely said that from his work it is safe to assume that he wants to rape children and that he peddles rape to pedophiles, which I believe is a safe assumption to make.
Speculation.

afaik can be considered as child pron (it was a quite a retarded canadian style thinkcrime law that established it) but it is not illegal to keep child pron in russia, it's illegal only to distribute it

lol. that is called a false dichotomy. there has never been a link between war games and violence; in fact, the opposite correlation is more prevalent. No one draws what he does unless there's something wrong with them.

You asked me to name examples before, yes? Show me artists who draw violent scat and abuse porn of real children and who are not questionably pedophiles.

Speculation which is safe to make and legal to do. If he is allowed to draw pictures of real children being tortured and raped, i am allowed to speculate on why he does that.

I genuinely believe he is a danger and I genuinely believe his peddling of lolicon depicting real children endangers them. 对不起朋友。

Yes, which is why so much child porn is produced in Russia. It's part of the reason why it's so tightly regulated in the US. The logic is that possession itself creates a black market in foreign countries the FBI has no control over. If you do what is called 'sex tourism' and buy an underage girl in Russia and return to the US, and somehow the feds know you've done this, it is the same penalty as if you did the crime on US soil.

> there has never been a link between war games and violence

And there has been a link between loli and child sex crimes? Please link me to your studies I'm sure you have.

>You asked me to name examples before, yes? Show me artists who draw violent scat and abuse porn of real children and who are not questionably pedophiles.

You mean the one example you provided of Shadman doing it?

>And there has been a link between loli and child sex crimes? Please link me to your studies I'm sure you have.
This isn't about lolicon, I am specifically talking about Shadman's illegal sexualization of children.

>You mean the one example you provided of Shadman doing it?
I provided several examples, but sure. Lets set the bar at one. Show me one person.

>Speculation which is safe to make and legal to do.

>I genuinely believe he is a danger

well he's not, a lot more people drew worse things than him and a lot more people actively participates in performing the actual activites.

taking him down will achieve nothing but I guess my words are not getting through as with all other posters in this thread.

you see, the problem why a lot of people strongly dislike it because it seriously infringes on the human rights. not only it's a "victim-less crime", it's pretty hard to draw the border there as well. for instance a lewd pic with an anime character like this one can be considered child pron if some "experts" decode that it's a pic of an underage girl. btw pron with adult actors who look underage can be considered a child pron too. it's simply retarded. btw gelbooru is blocked in russia as well as most of the hentai sites