I’m beginning to feel like the whole thing is just pointless. There’s so many fucking musicians out there, I feel like anything I do is just a drop in an ocean.
On any given night there are tons of musicians performing around my city. Some of them are good, some aren’t. Some have followings, some don’t.
Either way, doesn’t really matter. There’s a trillion bands who are “on tour” coming through here every day. Nobody really gives a fuck, it’s all pretty boring. Maybe something to do on a Friday night with your girlfriend or something.
Every single genre is so extremely over-saturated with musicians, you can’t even ingest all of it. I’ll hear a song I like and think “wow that’s cool” and then never listen to it again, simply because there’s so much access to music that it barely even matters.
I feel like music has lost it’s meaning to some degree. It used to be something special that you were lucky to see performed live, now it’s about as special as porn. It’s just there.
Why the fuck are there so many cunts playing music
Yes. Take the k-pill my friend. Image and cute girls is what really matters.
Camden Evans
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Jose Martin
There was a ton of music being produced in the past as well. The difference was that you needed a way to distribute and market that music to people for them to even know it existed, and even if they did they'd have to drop money on it. If you think having more options is bad because you can't consume it all (you couldn't so so in the past either fyi) then you should just limit your access to music on your own. Start going to record stores or following music blogs and have other people doing the filtering for you. That's all this shit is, filtering out the extraneous options to reach the ones that are more likely to appeal to you. The only difference between now and then is that more people can get their shit out there without a record label.
Chase Gomez
Didn't you just make this thread on /biz/ ?
Ian Green
Incels make me sick.
Brandon Anderson
I actually unironically think K-pop is one of the few genres that are interesting right now
Western music is so sad, pretentious, and tries so hard to be meaningful, it makes k-pop more interesting because it purposely does not try to be intelligent or deep or any of that shit
It’s literally just cute girls dancing to bubble gum pop. It doesn’t take itself seriously at all, it’s just meant to be mindless and fun
That in itself is innovative
Justin Gomez
pleas be bait
Easton Brown
>brittany venti get the fuck out of here. disgusting
Colton King
Yeah I actually meant to post it here
I JUST realized that was the /biz/ board.... blue boards
Oliver Ortiz
wow harsh much?
Sebastian Martinez
>bitch niggas talking shit about my girl leave!
Angel James
Prove me wrong. The west is stuck on a path of trying to be pretentious and meaningful in their art/music. They never just do something because it sounds pretty or looks cute, it always has to be making a fucking statement or some worn-out shit
K-pop is the anti-thesis to that. I actually think America will follow that style in the future
Easton Roberts
Venti blasphemers will be hung on the day of the mutt
Behead those who blaspheme goddess
Joshua Wright
I think you might actually be a retard. If you legitimately think that doing low-brow mindless music marketed by attractive women is innovative then there's really only one option.
You have to go /back/.
Robert Bennett
America already follows the style with this ingenue meme rap stuff which is just glorified k-pop production house but without the training or anything. Sup Forums has to dress it up as amazing autonomous artistic masterpieces or whatever tho
Joseph Gonzalez
Most western pop music was like that up until around 1965, and a lot since then still is
Jeremiah Reed
Right, and returning to that would be innovative.
There’s a theory in art that once we reach our limit we return to minimalism and start from there again. I think k-pop is sort of like that.
American pop is nothing but a vehicle for the politics of Hollywood, constantly pushing a certain message or theme with every little thing they do. It’s never just a song or a video that is meant to be observed and enjoyed for what it is, it’s always a fucking activist effort
If you think K-pop has no implications in a larger sense to the current global culture, you are retarded.
The fact that simple bubble gum pop is spreading like wildfire across the world means something.
Do you think all of this K-pop shit would have been popular even 10 years ago? Absolutely not
Jacob Sanders
all artists can do now is not expect a pay-off, just create something you'd be proud to attach your name on
Aaron Garcia
It really doesn't mean shit considering bubblegum pop has been the predominant form of popular music for decades. I don't know why you think slickly produced pop music featuring attractive women is some kind of musical fucking landmark that has hitherto never been attempted. K-pop is just one of many musical novelties made accessible through the internet. It's really not the music revolution you think it is.
On top of that, if you're such a retard that you can't listen to shit that isn't mindless retarded waifu-shit then i think it might be time for you to consider necking yourself.
Justin Foster
>Do you think all of this K-pop shit would have been popular even 10 years ago? Absolutely not
wat
It is simply modern Korean pop music. Record execs found a formula that works in their racially homogeneous society.
Isaiah Miller
Honestly k-pop isn't that popular in Korea, it hasn't been this huge industry there since 2012 when sales collapsed. It's more popular overseas and the people making it know that
Nicholas Torres
K pop is godawful.
Caleb Garcia
The fact you consider hollyjew’s pop to be “bubble gum pop” means you are artistically retarded.
America has not produced anything comparable to k-pop since the 90’s with boy bands and girl groups.
Every hollyjew production features an a-tonal backing track with a bunch of literal Freemason signs everywhere, usually fusing the sounds of drill rap, #woke rap, self-loathing pop ballads, or a weird r&b sound.
Every song is either championing feminism, lgbt rights, or progressive values. There is rarely a song that is just a mindless cute upbeat happy-sounding power pop song with colorful hooks.
Your austic rage against k-pop posters is masking your ability to see this is a larger context, whether you like the music or not
Right, and why do you think k-pop is popular across the world today when it wasn’t 10 years ago?
Because the world has changed. People don’t want faux-intellectual music anymore with a (((deep))) meaning. There’s nothing left to fucking say.
But they also don’t want some nasty dirty Hollywood shit either, with some empowered woman in a leather suit coming out and being a “bad bitch” to a creepy a-tonal backing track.
They want mindless fun with cute dancing. That is probably more innovative than any Sup Forums-core shit being shilled these days
Jack Gutierrez
Is the average age of the posters on this board 17?
I’m not even talking about the objective quality of the music, I’m talking about its larger implications
Ethan Sullivan
Look faggot pop music is generally bad, weather its made by gooks or kikes. Your not into good music period, so your opinion doesn't mean shit.
Ryan Cox
This is a music board..
Asher Rogers
oh, so you're one of those pollacks that chooses to get exploited by asians instead of jews. when will you retards learn that no one gives a fuck about you and just wants your money? the fact that you think k-pop is some kind of reconstructive milestone in global culture when its the same kind of degenerate "have fun don't think about anything" shit that we've had forever is retarded. i don't know where you get the idea that every single piece of pop music is about pushing muh seekeret loopinati agenda but it's really fucking pathetic and retarded. consider getting your head out of your ass.
Connor Peterson
>these cringe-worthy retards with no taste Well that's just too bad moron, I'm going to sit here a suck cocks like the faggot I am! AUGHGGSSLLLLLRRRPPRRSSSFT
Christian Torres
>have fun don’t think about anything
Music is not a place to think about things. It is a place to feel things and experience soundscapes, maybe a physical aesthetic to match.
Music is a place to “think things” when people want to push an agenda. You want to think? That’s what books are for you retarded cocksucker
>oh but this is so meta and the lyrics are pertaining to this abstract idea and... gay
Jackson Flores
It's possible for music to be remotely intelligent without pushing an agenda
Michael Reyes
>look faggot, I have no argument and can’t address a single thing you said and I also can’t spell “whether” >I am literally fisting my asshole to death grips and Andrew Jackson jihad played at the same time
The absolute state of Sup Forumstards
Anthony Thompson
>music is politics now nothing is sacred, same shit goes for videogames and movies
Jace Lewis
There's tons of them across a few Sup Forums boards. If those idiots managed to group up this board would be fucked with kpop threads.
Kevin Rivera
>music is just feels
You're the degenerates you think you're fighting against. You're the kind of retards that reduce all art to being a series of sensations with no substance. It's hilarious that you think that by buying into K-Pop you've beaten the people who you think are trying to control you when you're just buying the same shit with a yellow label.
Laughable.
Andrew Wilson
Classical music is intelligent, and many of the pieces are written about landscapes, or roses, or looking at the ocean, or an ode to the composers first love or something
Very simple, natural, human things. Not big brained art-school faggotry.
My point is, that something that does not convey a complicated or (((intellectual))) message does not disqualify it from being good. Music is not a format to convey complicated ideas, the format doesn’t even allow it to do that
When musicians try to be deep, they just look like cunts
Zachary Baker
>the format doesn’t even allow it to do that what is spoken word >they just look like cunts subjective >Very simple, natural, human things subjective >Music is not a format to convey complicated ideas Wrong
Brandon Thomas
Come off it pop generally is bad, look at what was in the charts at any random point in the last 60 years and they will be full of shit. This is common knowledge. Also i don't listen to either of those, so how bout dah.
Aiden Parker
>When musicians try to be deep, they just look like cunts
Way to project your intellectual inadequacies onto people who aren't retards. Thank you for confirming that k-pop is for manchildren who can't face anything that might make them think.
Blake Edwards
>all art
I am talking about music fucktard
Books and film, or maybe a very provocative and clever drawing/painting or song can be good to convey a certain message. But most audible and visual art is to convey a feeling, not necessarily an idea.
There are many different establishments and elites across the world. Some of them have a few ideas that are better than others.
Also, you think that I am saying that I want all art to be like k-pop. Obviously not. There is low-brow art and high-brow art, and other things in between.
For low-brow entertainment, I will take Twice over most American pop (or most low-brow American music at this point.)
Brody Garcia
If I had intellectual inadequacies, I would probably think Kendrick Lamar is culturally provocative or some gay shit
You’re obviously a fucking retard who uses music to make himself feel smart.
>spoken word
Yes that’s a great format for pretentious shit nobody wants to hear, or feminist open mic events. Music is too simplistic to seriously unpack a complex idea.
Only a brainlet could learn something (((intellectual))) from song lyrics
Juan Brown
More projecting of those inadequacies. Did you get picked on for being the slowest to learn your ABC's or something?
Joshua Evans
Yes, I'm a fucking faggot, so fucking what?
Joshua Garcia
No wonder why you have shit opinion
Isaac Hughes
Rekt
Nathan Hughes
this is the truth sadly
Daniel Sanchez
Fuck you homophobic cunt! Keep listening to your pretentious faggot shit, I'm going to be sucking cock until I'm dead.
Cooper Miller
hopefully sooner than later ;)
Blake Collins
I don't listen to pretentious shit you cocksucker
John Wilson
its the same with all art forms, any cunt with some copic markers is an "artist" these days. competition in the arts is objectively a good thing
.accurate
Grayson Adams
FUCK YOUUUUUU!!! None of you pretentious soy asshole's will ever make me straight. I dream about getting dominated by throbbing african cock every day, Kpop is the greatest music, fuck this shitty hipster board. What I'm saying is that I need to be rammed up the ass right fucking now
Elijah Baker
>Listens to K-Pop >Faggot >Calls other people soy
Michael Torres
Yeah that guy is obviously not me, clearly some scorned enemy of k-pop who can’t stand that I just rek’t him
Connor Taylor
>samefagging this hard
K E K
Christian Lewis
You don't rekt anybody tho
Luke Cook
>sadly if you're not content to make something simply for the love of your art you shouldn't bother at all
Oliver Ward
Gotta love it when the musically illiterate who have exposed themselves to like 50 musicians in their lifetime think they actually know anything about music
>I’ll hear a song I like and think “wow that’s cool” and then never listen to it again All you need to do is be good enough to have people say "wow, I want to hear that again", and you have elevated yourself above the pack. Keep at it.
Henry Edwards
i met her in person at the HWNDU and shes a really shitty person. Her whole life is based on gossip and shaking her tits at a camera.
Liam Sullivan
not a kpop fag but you're spot on user. pop is foremost amount energy; Elvis is basically Byron. don't let the culturecucks get you down.
Evan Russell
post performance and composition
I want to listen Sup Forumstants who can actually do music instead of remixeds
Logan Davis
>ventifags reminder that you people are no different than the mongrels from r/thedonald that orbit "conservative" women (who actually harbor more liberal views than they want to admit to their core audience) that want attention from lonely beta males
Noah Wood
It's never been better to be a musician because despite the increase in quantity the quality has dropped massively because of technology shrinking people's souls and that's a fact and if you disagree you probably read it somewhere that you should disagree with the notion, online
Luke Myers
It's survival of the fittest these days. If you're worthy of the recognition and you don't give up you'll recieve it at some point - alive or dead
Chase Roberts
Because K-Pop is corporate drivel that is predatory towards the performers and designed entirely to leech as much money from sad virgins such as yourselves? This isn't some garage band set up by a bunch of friends to have fun. The fact that you brand all western music as sad and pretentious is pretty hilarious, pray tell how the generic top 40 club anthems about having a good time are any different to the generic K-Pop crap you listen to? And I'd rather listen to tryhard music than mindless shite sung by robots replaced every year once they've been worn out on the 60 year old producer cock carousel.
Austin Young
the increase in quantity of musicians parallels an increase in the quantity of music an average person is able to consume.
this was true for the increase in underground musicians in the 80s and 90s as well due to tapes being a much more accessible and affordable medium than records
this is born in le wrong generation shit
Blake Price
False. Look at the year end singles chart. Half of it is kpop. Kpop is becoming more and more popular in Korea and will be the dominant genre within ten years.
Robert Peterson
>the biggest genre in korea is pop music from korea, in the korean language boy howdy what a shocker
Brayden Rogers
la creatura abominationa
Dylan Wilson
that was the most obvious bait on the planet and you still took it
Kevin Ross
>orbiting an e-celeb camwhore WEW
Henry Nelson
but she is a fucking 56% mutt
Parker Edwards
>real life memes Thats the most pathetic thing you can do. Who the fuck wears pepe shirts
Noah Perez
If i lived in 1700 and my village had folk blasting in every holiday when suddenly some pampered cunt started playing baroque i'd be hella mad and call them a pretentious prick
Eli Kelly
It's all about image and branding. The music itself doesn't really matter much at all. Even everything that's Underground is this way. It's just following the trends of what's popular in the mainstream so that now there's no such thing as a counter-culture anymore when it's become the norm to have the same couple of subject matters done over and over again and everyone goes for the same few boring ass sounds. That's why everything is so monotonous and brain dead. It's all because of corporatism and greed.
Levi Robinson
The problem, user, is that there are many good musicians in history, in all genres, and you're just a witless nobody of a musician. You are not a drop in the ocean, you are a drop of piss on a concrete wall.
Charles Gutierrez
>is corporate drivel
so is pop music in the us.
> is predatory towards the performers
Successfull kpop idols are among the richest of the country. Not all make it, but this is the case for any kind of work. However i do agree, it is not like a garage band that starts in humble conditions and gets signed if they start to have a significant following. Kpop is pretty much a career choice, which however doesn't exlude that the idols have a creative say in their music and performances. there are many cases of groups and artists self composing their music
>to leech as much money from sad virgins
kpop targets different demographics and most of the times the general public. it could never survive if it was just appealing for incels. in fact, it rather tends to target girls and young women, as they are the strongest consumer force.
I'm not him
Ian Baker
only thing they leeched of me in 5 years is my semen
Ryder Barnes
> I’m beginning to feel like the whole thing is just pointless. There’s so many fucking musicians out there, I feel like anything I do is just a drop in an ocean. Your focus seems to be on the "social" aspect of music instead of the music itself. At some point you have to decide what is more important to you: Writing- and Listening to your (or other) music, or performing in front of an audience. If you value the former option over the latter, then it shouldn't bother you how many musicians are out there - but if you value the performing aspect more (including the need to "be recognized by people"), then i guess you "are fucked" nowadays.
>If you think K-pop has no implications I wish people would learn what a fucking Implication is before they go on throwing the word around. As someone used to formal logic's, it's always irking me to see it misused...
Jayden Allen
It's to express a feeling and provoke that feeling from the listener. The same with provoking thought.
Music is subjective and can be anything and done in anyway.
Anthony Rodriguez
The internet shouldnt even exist. It fucked up everyones perception of whats what. See vaporwave. It was fun but an unglodly amount of people did their own thing and they burieed each other. Now you say that 'vaporwave is oversaturated and mainstream' even though if you ask the common joe he wont have a clue there was a genre like that and most likely will direct you to the closest looney bin
Gabriel Bennett
She seems like a massive cunt (like every female e-celeb)
That’s the meme though. Worship a cunty 56%er with good aesthetics half-ironically. If I knew her in real life I’d probably hate her, but on an image board you can make her a goddess.
Also, the fact that Brit is probably an immature bitchy gossiping shallow cunt in real life some how makes her hotter idk We’re joking though (I think). People who legitimately think e-celebs are real people with real thoughts are retarded, I just want to cum on brit’s tits and then ironically build a statue of her in the ethnostate
Henry Martinez
> then ironically build a statue of her in the ethnostate Considering her facial structure (especially the flat nose), what kind of "ethnostate" would that be? A bright-skinned-mulatto-only ethnostate?
Andrew Green
REEEE STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT WHOOOOORE. WE ARE TALKING MUSIC HERE. VAGINAHUMANS WERE A MISTAKE
Nicholas Myers
A white supremacist ethno state
That’s the meme lad. 56% goddess statue in the ethno state
Parker Cruz
>A bright-skinned-mulatto-only ethnostate I'd like to help cure her mulatto with my pure white seed in every orifice of her body.
Jaxon Nelson
My point was, was that there are plenty of western musicians and genres analogous to K-Pop in their mindlessness and obsession over simple fun. To somehow say that K-Pop is unique is a falsehood.
Jayden Lewis
Yes. Theres too much of everything now. Nothing new, nothings changed. We are being fed ideals of culture rather than developing anything real and tangible. Why do you think people care more about commericals than the game during the Super Bowl? Force fed entertainment in bite sized morsels, with recognizable stars than promise you happiness and nostalgia.
Acceleration is the only truth these days
Parker Hughes
I would say there is a lot more music than there is inspiration, for music or any art these days.
Oliver Diaz
There can literally never be too much music.
Benjamin Morgan
I will accept K-Pop when Oneohtrixpointnever publicly does. Someone link me source if he already has..
Henry Turner
love how op was questioning if there was too much music and it was boiled down to hurr durr just take le k-pop pill xD LIKE HOLY FUCK
Kayden Ross
Brittany venti is absolute filth. she's a walking hammerhead shark.
Leo Young
Sup Forums are brainlets
I made this same thread on /biz/ and actually got replies
Austin Lee
oh great this thread again
music still has meaning if you want it to, overexposure is something you bring on yourself, take some time to listen to what you're listening to blah blah blah
Jose Barnes
And there's nothing wrong with that. The entire point of the IP system is to give enough incentive for an innovator(artist or inventor) to overcome the financial barriers of creation and distribution. technology has reduced these barriers massively (for music production/distro at least) over the past 20 years, and IP law hasn't swung back far enough to reduce the incentive for people to shit out music