Introduce a diverse cast of characters with zero backstory or context for their actions except Jyn just to off them all...

>Introduce a diverse cast of characters with zero backstory or context for their actions except Jyn just to off them all in the end
>Cheap call backs to earlier installments in both the writing and the cinematography
>Trying to relive the 70s with CGI
>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his boss
>Make Princess Leia look like a dipshit for trying to lie about her ship
>Open the door to question the logic of making the flaw so impossible to exploit instead of something more obvious
>Say the Empire has the ability to make them anyway so you just do it yourself and assume they'll never try to make another
>Blind monk and pal could have been written out of the movie (and perhaps should have been) and it would have made no difference
>AT-AT's on an aquatic planet
>K-2SO type droids and three varieties of Storm Trooper armor apparently were discontinued in the span of one day
>Ultimately just tell a story about a bunch of randoms that team up for a few hours to get themselves killed because of the rebel alliance's incompetence

This movie felt like such a cashgrab/merch engine and it's really unfortunate. I don't mind more Star Wars movies outside of the mainline, but never a prequel like this again.

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I want really to see Edwards version

>>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his boss
No it doesn't.

Not a single Star wars movie set before episode 4 has ever been more than shit

I just saw this ultra late to the party.

OK the point about the characters is well taken. Do you think they were purposefully made a bit vague just because they were supposed to die? You don't rig a house to explode but give the damn thing fine marble tiles and oriental rugs right?

I'd like to see what your cheap callback is but I really personally loved how well they referenced all that 70s shit and did such a good job cinematography wise. I always hated how Lucas made everything in the prequels so shiny and stupidly beautiful, then the next 3 were so broken down and used up. I mean it sorta makes sense I guess I am just saying it looks a lot more right to me.

The plothole about the Death Star plans isn't really bad at all, at least they attempt to give an explanation WHY there is a weakness and I am fine with that.

The AT-ATs died way too easy for me too, like they got trashed by the same X-Wings that needed some crazy rope bolos on Hoth and it felt really cheap.

I loved Blind Monk because he was a true believer in The Force and its interesting to see someone not force attuned to be so faithful and actually mildly control The Force something not even Han Solo or Leia did.

Sadly, his sidekick was completely superfluous except to show a fuckin cool new gun.

Overall, I didn't go crazy for the characters but they are all pretty decent and lovable, like the pilot guy or Jyn and Forest Whitaker wasn't nearly as annoying as Sup Forums was saying to me.

Edmonton?

>Introduce a diverse cast of characters
nonissue
>Trying to relive the 70s with CGI
nonissue
>Make Princess Leia look like a dipshit for trying to lie about her ship
she always lied
>Open the door to question the logic of making the flaw so impossible to exploit instead of something more obvious
the flaw would be pointless if it was obvious
>Blind monk and pal could have been written out of the movie (and perhaps should have been) and it would have made no difference
nonissue (epic war drama exclusion)
>AT-AT's on an aquatic planet
and?
>K-2SO type droids and three varieties of Storm Trooper armor apparently were discontinued in the span of one day
no


2/10

I thought they absolutely nailed the star wars aesthetic (props to the average joe x-wing pilots with 70's mustaches) but it didn't capture the star wars feel. Episode 7 couldnt capture it either.

This was miles better though.

>>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his bos

What? Luke's skill was hitting a hole that small. The hole was always there though. Why would the Empire build a tiny weakness into their super weapon on purpose?

You're getting desperate, Mike.

I REFUSE to watch a camrip

What is taking them so long? Even dvd quality will suffice

why don't you get a fucking ticket then

>>Make Princess Leia look like a dipshit for trying to lie about her ship
Have you seen ANH?

late March at best senpai, Blu rays tend to release 3-4 months after cinema release though some torrent sites manage to leak it a few weeks early.

>and I loved it

I saw it twice in the theater

get a job faggot

No singles policy unfortunately and I have no friends

I'll bite

>Introduce a diverse cast of characters with zero backstory or context for their actions except Jyn just to off them all in the end
Most movies start characters from 0, as for the killing part, none of them were name dropped later on so it made sense

>Cheap call backs to earlier installments in both the writing and the cinematography
It's set literally days before ep. IV, that's really reaching there.

>Trying to relive the 70s with CGI
no prob there

>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his boss
The fact that the weakness was built in didn't make the shot any easier.

>Make Princess Leia look like a dipshit for trying to lie about her ship
nope

>Open the door to question the logic of making the flaw so impossible to exploit instead of something more obvious
Yes I'm sure they wouldn't have noticed if Galen designed a gigantic hole on the side of the DS with gigantic arrows that say SHOOT HERE.

>Say the Empire has the ability to make them anyway so you just do it yourself and assume they'll never try to make another
?

>Blind monk and pal could have been written out of the movie (and perhaps should have been) and it would have made no difference
fair enough

>AT-AT's on an aquatic planet
why not?

>K-2SO type droids and three varieties of Storm Trooper armor apparently were discontinued in the span of one day
They vary on their use m8

>Ultimately just tell a story about a bunch of randoms that team up for a few hours to get themselves killed because of the rebel alliance's incompetence
someone had to do it though.

>HOW TO MAKE THIS A BETTER MOVIE

The first half of the film is Jyn with the rebels doing rebel bullshit while hunting down Saw. We see brief flashbacks of her in Saw's group, which was known as Rogue One. Saw, that Asian monk, that dude with him, maybe that midget furry thing, sure. They all helped raise Jyn and made her the strong woman she is.

Eventually, she finds Saw and Rogue One. As I said, this is like a bit over halfway through the film. Saw is killed here and not earlier, but not before passing on the message she received from her father. Her father is located at that planet they battle on at the end.

Jyn takes over leadership of Rogue One to rescue her father and receive the plans for the Death Star. THAT is where her father dies and, eventually, where everyone is killed off.

Also: Darth Vader should be hunting people down and killing them off throughout the entire movie. Vader should be the one to kill Jyn at the end.

When the guy in the white cape took off in his plane why did female Rogue One hero go flying while her dying dad stayed in place? And why did guy in the white cape park his plane so far away at the beginning of the movie? If he landed closer he probably would have caught the girl and the Empire would have won, he cost them everything by parking so far away

CGI Peter Cushing was the most perverse and horrific thing I have ever seen.
It would have been less creepy if Disney just dug up his corpse and moved it around on marionette wires.

Thank god you're not a writer.
That's the blandest shit I've ever read.

You're right. The nothing characters we have now with no backstory is much better. I totally cared when ASIAN MONK died.

And don't get me started when MAN IN ARMOR died. Not that man in armor, no, the other.

>all the Disney shills ITT

Disney defense force in full motion

>before rlm
"GOAT movie"

>after rlm
"Worst movie ever"

Every fucking time with you sheep

It would have still taken a force user to bank those shots in, which is why Red Leader sucked a fat one. It also ends all of that "durr stupid empire, shoulda just covered that port with cardboard" nonsense.

Sorta listened to their rogue one episode before watching the movie.
Heard that it was bad, but I went ahead and watched it anyways and I loved it.

>No singles policy unfortunately

WHat

jenny, stop this

tbqh this movie made me enjoy a new hope more and I think makes that movie even better.

fuck all you contrarians I really liked the movie.

IT LEAD STRAIGHT TO THE REACTOR CORE, THATS SOME BAD MILITARY DESIGN, DID NOBODY DO A VULNERABILITY REVIEW

THE VENT SHOULD HAVE SNAKED HALFWAY AROUND THE STRUCTURE BEFORE ENDING AT THE CORE

THEN A TORPEDO HIT WOULD JUST BLOW OUT A LATERAL CHUNK OF THE VENT

It also made me appreciate A New Hope more, since it was a MUCH better movie than the piece of trash that was Rogue One.

...

IT WAS STATED THAT THE PLANS GAVE THE DEATH STAR A WEAKNESS

I suspect they did make them vague for fear of pissing off the audience-- which makes disneys brave rogue one ending not so brave-- cause if you write them as lambs to the slaughter-- well you're not risking anything.

the problem with " rigging a house to explode but give the damn thing fine marble tiles and oriental rugs" is that death has more meaning if you care about the ones dying-- you probably would give more of a shit if your mother died today than a syrian refugee-- not shitting on you, I personally don't give two fucks because i don't know them-- I can say it's a tragedy, that they were brave and its a pity-- but to say i felt anything for a syrian refugee i never met is lying--

j if you know a person and love them, their death has meaning to you-- and the goal of anything is to make an audience feel- - rogue one's problem is it doesn't give us enough time to fall in love with the characters enough to care when they sacrifice their lives.

I felt the design was spot on-- but personally the droids cameo was tacked on and took me out--i would have been more excited if we had just passed them in a shot-- not even focused on them, they're just about their business.


The death star plans intentionally having a design flaw change some information about the empire that you get watching a new hope-- I personally loved the fact that the Empire was so fucking stupid they thought a "one man fighter could pose no threat"

>>youtube.com/watch?v=f_d-9xHZoGo

rather than active sabotage-- the Empire's hubris is what causes their downfall, the lack of respect for the individual-- it's a great metaphor and bit of info that characterizes the Empire that is lost now.

The Blind monk was compelling, and the faith/anti-faith arguement between the monk and baze malbus could have be developed more giving baze's prayer to the force more weight-- great elements that weren't built up and could have been ten times more moving and effective.

>after rlm

they've been shit since 2014 my nigga
they brought up how storys HAVE to have good characters and they have liked movies that have no characters but was till a good movie.

there just looking for views ever since the cape wars. $$$$$$

>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his boss
It was a lucky shot, he was being pursued and the hole was quite small.

Edwards is a great director but he keeps getting dogshit scripts. Holy fuck this movie was poorly written. Anyone who likes it is a fucking moron.

Nobody can defend it. Go on reddit and you get downvoted into fucking oblivion for disliking it - and the retorts are just
>A. There was no character development because the characters were all going to die
How the FUCK does this make sense?? You develop characters SO THEIR DEATHS ARE ACTUALLY IMPACTFUL
>B. Dude but that Darth Vader scene was fucking awesome
End your life.

i always see these but iv never seen them in uses by actual people

>A. There was no character development because the characters were all going to die
>B. Dude but that Darth Vader scene was fucking awesome

If this is all you have you can go

>>Ultimately just tell a story about a bunch of randoms that team up for a few hours to get themselves killed because of the rebel alliance's incompetence
>someone had to do it though.


yes but did Disney have to do it?

-- was this a Star Wars Story that needed to be told? I think it was a cash grab. I think the had good intentions-- but even though they touted it as a standalone film-- it tied directly into the first moments of new hope. And it also relied too heavily on you knowing the empire is bad, what a death star is, and didn't take time to set up characters-- including darth vader. It was a standalone movie with lazy exposition that required viewing the other films.

It wasn't standalone-- it was a "sneak prequel"

a "Sneakquel"

>You don't rig a house to explode but give the damn thing fine marble tiles and oriental rugs right?
Seriously the worst fucking argument I have ever heard in my life. Holy Christ I hope you don't believe this. Develop the characters so we actually care when they die. Would you care if an empty, vacant shack blew up? Fuck no. Would you care if a nice house with a family in it blew up? Yes.

Fuck.

I cared more about Rogue One characters than Luke, Leia and Han, to be honest.
Han was the only good character of the OT and that's mostly because Harrison Ford ad libbed a good part of the dialogue.

That's literally all Reddit says about this flick.

Go to bed, Edwards

>>youtube.com/watch?v=5O7gaOLwxGY

this house Tarantino rigged looks pretty fine

fuck carrie looks horrible here

you dont need characters to make a movie good, yes it would have been better (i say they should have had less characters and worked on them) but story can carry a film just like characters can carry films.

well instead of talking about reddit lets talk about what were saying here.

and you just drive my point in. all i was saying is that were talking about something (i dont see your green text in this thread) and you bring up reddit.

>people actually think Rogue One is better than Force Awakens

Come on guys you're on a Film & TV board atleast know what you're talking about before adding to the thread.

>you dont need characters to make a movie good

You did for this movie, which is all that matters. It was trying to be a character based story and failed at having a properly formulated leading character(s) with an actual arc character flaws they overcome.

what i meant to say is *i dont see your green text being used in here*

>Reduce Luke's one-in-a-million miracle shot and strategy down to some sadsack's middle finger to his boss
Still a miracle shot given the circumstances

>Make Princess Leia look like a dipshit for trying to lie about her ship
>Skilled diplomats never lie

Everything else is massive nitpicking.

>trying to be a character based story

this whole movie is a "lead up to" my dude. This was all about the story. this is all about how it happened.

Like i said, i would have had less characters and worked on them, but this was just to tell how they got the plans.

>this whole movie is a "lead up to" my dude
Based on the people who stole the Death Star plans yes.

> This was all about the story. this is all about how it happened.
And the characters are part of the story. If you want a glaring weakness in your story then you abandon character.

>who stole the Death Star
its fucking obvious its not about that or they would of and

>glaring weakness

I just fucking talked about how a story could carry a movie and you didn't say anything to that, and now were back on it. Im fucking done with your shit dude. you gata be young.

go watch your cape movies with average story and character youll love it.

>Blind monk and pal could have been written out of the movie (and perhaps should have been) and it would have made no difference
Blind monk had the only good lines. He was the one member of this shitshow I considered enjoyable.

*or they would have focused on them more

also forgot jenny

>its fucking obvious its not about that
Yes it is. That's the entire plot of the movie.

>I just fucking talked about how a story could carry a movie
And characters are part of a story.

>go watch your cape movies with average story and character youll love it.
Rogue One had abysmal story and character from a writing standpoint, so you're suggesting that capeshit is a step above Rogue One?

>Based on the people
Not really. It's more based on how they obtained the plans and lassed them on to the rebel alliance. If it was truly about the characters they would have developed them better, unless the writers were just that incompetent.

>the writers were just that incompetent

There ya go.

I love Tarkin's character and honestly, the CGI Tarkin didn't bother me like it bothers some people. The technology has a long way to go yet, but it could have been done much much worse

>entire movie is the backstory of one plot point of a way better

How fucking desperate

Are we get a stand alone movie to explain why Greedo was at the bar and his entire action war that led him to get there?

Or wait what about a drama movie about an angry sand person that his wife cheated on him and he lost his job and in his anger he beat up Luke

>entire plot
>too make characters

>And characters are part of a story.
not able to understand previous posts

>average story and character youll love it.
unable to see the word average

kid bye

Movie was shit

I thought TFA was fairly bad but Rogue One is probably the worst Star Wars movie hands down

>>too make characters
That's not an intelligible sentence.

>not able to understand previous posts
I'm sorry for your disability.

>unable to see the word average
I'm sorry again for your disability?

>kid
Not an argument.

>AT-ATs on an aquatic planet
Assuming the planet features one type of biome, it's tropical not aquatic. And fyi, it makes a LOT more sense to be there than Hoth. The terrain is relatively flat. AT-ATs by design aren't practical in uneven snowy terrain. They are top heavy and would be easy to tip over if one of their legs slipped, fell through loose snow pack or the terrain was graded

im tired of writing the same shit for you dude so i gave you small ancers so you can re-read my post but your not going to do that so.

you think every movie needs deep characters to be good. you see every thing that simple, i cant help you. Just go watch average movies, ok.

*answers

its to late for me im done. night

>Did they need to
Lol no. But people wanted it. No one needed to watch it. You're just now realizing Star wars is space fantasy porn?

>you think every movie needs deep characters to be good
I never said that. Please read user.

>Just go watch average movies
That's what I did when I went and saw Rogue One.

Not that guy but I think having AT-AT's on your own planet is completely retarded

The point of them on Hoth was to assault the shield generators. They were appropriate because they were heavily armored and mobile.

What real purpose would they serve when you already control the planet?

If you are being attacked by a few rogue infantry you aren't gonna bust out the slow moving uber tank.

Imagine if a modern city had like a terrorist group attack a building. The military's first move isn't gonna be to send in the tank squadron into the city.

It's just a stupid way to shoehorn in AT-AT's into your movie

>the Asian monk's butt buddy had a laser blaster chain gun that singlehandedly killed hundreds of storm troopers
>in no battle ever again is such a weapon seen or used even though it would be incredibly useful

>storm troopers wear armor
>an entire squad of them can be killed by a middle-aged woman with a regular baton

>They were appropriate.
Did you just read what I posted? They make no sense in snowy uneven terrain

Btw those are AT-ACTs. They are cargo transport and it makes sense of they are doing construction or used for the cargo that comes off of the cargo ships. Before you say they look the same, like plebs have been saying for days now, rewatch the movie with your eyes open this time. They have visible yellow sides which are cargo freights. There's another scene with one walking around empty.

I believe in the OT there were a few turrets.

The guy in the movie is using his own personal gear. It's not uncommon in the movies for people but to use fancy personal gear while infantry use easy to mass produce standard issue gear.

>Why aren't all storm troopers equiped with flamethrowers and jetpacks like boba in the OT

Honestly I'd watch an Angry Sand Person TV series if they could get Vince Gilligan behind it.

Will this movie be considered a massive failure if it fails to break a billion? I know batman vs superman made 970 million and was considered so because the franchise was so popular, if star wars can't do it that will be even worse.

they're at 700 million in 3 weeks

I just saw it, mostly because my friends insisted on it. I must say it exceeded my expectations (for a Star Wars movie) and that it's at least certainly better than VII. Among the things I liked in no particular order:

- I found it refreshing that for the most part they left the force mumbo jumbo out of the picture or reduced to comic relief
- The literal quipping machine is more entertaining than the original trilogy androids ever were
- Protagonist is not a mary sue/chosen one and gets some very decent character development
- Antagonist is a real human bean not all powerful/a caricature
- No kiss at the end/No romantic subplot
- Everyone dies/Conclusive storyline

Among the things I disliked:

- CGI of dead actors is not only in poor taste (even though Disney owns their "likeness") and it expectantly didn't surpass the uncanny valley
- Unreal physics (light speed in an atmosphere?)
- Unnecessary cameos
- Clumsy tie-ins
- The shameless cashgrab

>- Protagonist is not a mary sue/chosen one and gets some very decent character development

But that's wrong. Jizz is an unstoppable killdozer from start to finish and has no character arc.