Will we be seeing an independent Catalonia by the end of the year?

Will we be seeing an independent Catalonia by the end of the year?

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I'm french and living in Barcelona, I wonder if they'll kick me out.

It's spelled "Castille".

Would you like to live in a new independent country?

Is the gray area in the West also independent from Spain?

Probably not. Catalan gov't doesn't have the balls to do it.

but Catalonia will be independent eventually. it's just a matter of time.

I wouldn't mind, they look like they know how to handle things over here, they look okay with french people. If they get independent and still accepts french people I'd probably stay, it's not really my business anyway.

Unironically they succeded in their independence while Spain was fighting a massive revolt in Catalonia, the Reaper's War, and also the Thirty Years War in Europe.

my ex-gf was half french and from waht she has told me and other people aswell it seems that there are a lot of french people in catalonia (catalonian btw)

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I wonder what Andorrans would have to say about suddenly not sharing a border with Spain.

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Sounds like they're already planning to go along with it m8.

they said the same past year

called elections instead

UN already ruled Catalonia independence unlawful. Who's gonna acknowledge it? Catalonia Is typical west European cucks anyway, it's not like they'll have armed resistance against Spain.

Yeah but Spain's economy is not getting any better so why would Catalonia want to tread water on a sinking ship?

UN didn't rule shit. Self-determination is integral to the UN charter of human rights. If Catalonia declares independence then there's no way Spain can legally suppress that, and any show of force will be met with swift international condemnation.

I'm just saying they wont' declare independence this year

i'm not a unionist

My dream is to live in a 4-country Iberia: Portugalicia, Leon, Castille and Catalonia, separated evenly into 4 similar-width stripes like the languages used to be.

That would make for neat maps.

>implying Portugal+Galicia make more sense than Galicia+Leon+Asturias

>Portugalicia, Leon, Castille and Catalonia
Not Granada?

I want the logical conclusion to the beginning of this gif.

I guess I forgot aragonese.

t. Jewtalonian in straya

>spanish economy is not gettin better

lol wat? spain is gowning 3.1%. literally the most growning economy in EU. and unemployement is going down too

S I N K I N G S H I P

So like a tricolor of blue, green and yellow?

Don't give (you)s to him. He is just a jewtalonian.

NATO won't risk a strategic member just because a few politicians wants to steal more from their people. USA and europe allowing catalonian independence means Spain switching sides and getting close to Russia and China who would like to have one of the two doors of the Mediterranean in their side.

They can keep dreaming.

>Self-determination is integral to the UN charter of human rights.
That's where your wrong. UN is designed for self-determination of European oversees colonies. Not for self-determination of every group in the world which wants to declare independence. If that was the case, Pakistan, India, Congo and Nigeria would have split into a million countries by now.

>Catalonia
>independent
Enjoy being bankrupt in ten seconds, catalan faggots.

what's there to say? they're just a ski resort

>unemployement is going down too

source?

Plus, they're already the only Catalan-speaking country in the world.

Catalan has official status in Spain.

No

They said the same about Kosovo y'know...

Co-official, and only in certain regions.

Andorra is the only country where Catalan is THE official language.

alright, now you're correct

>Independent catalonia
>Still in EU with Spain
What's the point?

they will be out of the EU in case they get their independence and would have to go through the whole application process, I think

What would happen to Spain? Their contribution to the EU would change with a large chunk of the population gone.

Would they have to renegotiate some stuff?

don't die with the indepence thanks to the european economic help (even if that means trouble politically with Spain and motivates other european independentist movements)

They carpet bombed Serbian children for less, it wont happen.
But what's the point of separating when you are on a borderless union anyway?

all of this is speculation but...
In the case of Catalonia
First most of the large catalan companies sell in Spain so they have to leave Catalonia (some already said to move in case of independence), then help people who didn't want the independence giving them a house in Spain.
Europe has to solve the economic problem of Spain that is the one that is in the Union is more important economically and politically.

Hypothetically speaking, what would be the official languages of an independent Catalonia?

Just Catalan, or Catalan and Spanish?

Kosovo? What is Kosovo nowadays? A shithole with a USA base. And Serbia? A shithole with a russian base.

Thats just a big chess game. And as soon as we are in the same ship as the ruler of the world we won't have any problem because they won't allow a new state that can be use by their enemys to threaten them.

In order to give catalan politicians absolute control of the country, making the Catalan dream of independence real

De jure only Catalan, de facto both

This. Furthermore, when Crimea self-determined that they wanted to become part of Russia everyone lost their minds

hope so, Spain needs to be reduced to Castilla, pic related

Some catalans with andalusian origins believes in the second option but i'm sure that they will only speak in catalan. Their anti-spanish propaganda is going to make them lost the way that they had to communicate to the other people of the peninsula (basques, asturians, leoneses and galicians included) and basically a third part of world (Latino America)

thats too big
PURE CASTILE is this
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carreterismo
the rest is conquered land

you can't defeat castilian autismo

Why do they want independence? Spain has been united for hundreds of years, why rock the boat now?

> why rock the boat now?
They didn't wake up one morning and decided they wanted to be independent.

There's historical, cultural and economical reasons behind their claim for independence.
As of late, the economical reasons are the main drive, with the historical and cultural reasons backing it up.

The same argument about culture and history could be made for just about any country in Yurp, yet Catalonia is one of the only "countries" trying to get indepdence.

The economics aspect is what I was getting at. It makes sense that they would want to break away if they're better off than the rest of the country. They probably just use muh heritage to explain it to the low brows who go cross-eyed when you start saying words like 'economics'

Because they benefit from trying to be independent, not being it, it's a corrupt movement started by one of the most corrupt pigs in the world, Jordi Pujol. Either way, the popularity for independence is getting lower as the country improves economically wise.

Basically, all of this Catalunya Lliure :DDDDD is a meme, don't listen to Alberto Barbosa, he has no fucking idea what he talks about, he just assumes to have an answer because he's the neighbor of Spen

I didn't take any side.

You fell for the historical meme, they were never nation and when it tried it got blown the fuck out by France. They manipulate Aragón's history to make it seem as if they were the true rulers.

Aragonese, Catalan and Occitan were basically the same language up to the 15th century. They have evolved differently but Aragonese is practically extinct and Occitan, well, it is practically extinct too and not even co-official in France (but it is in Catalonia).

they're always crying that we only got our independence "thanks to their revolt", so yeah, I fell for the meme, whatever it is

Llámalo Países Castellanos en vez de Países Españoles.

En un caso como ese todos seríamos igual de españoles y manteniendo nuestra culturas y lenguas propias.

No en vano España viene etimológicamente de Hispania, que era toda la península y sus habitantes eran todos Hispanos.

Ayy the eternal cuck history of catalonia, never won the fight of independence in the 5 revolts that i remember through their history

>En un caso como ese todos seríamos igual de españoles y manteniendo nuestra culturas y lenguas propias.
permiteme discrepar
andalucia mata mi cultura, exijo un muro que nos separe y asi no exportan su cultura.

>They manipulate Aragón's history to make it seem as if they were the true rulers.

Well, the rulers of the Crown of Aragon like James the Conqueror spoke in Catalan, he even wrote a book called "Llibre dels Feits" entirely in catalan.

The very same foundation of the Crown of Aragon (different entity from the Kingdom of Aragon) was by a royal marriage between catalan and aragonese monarchs, so it was ruled 50/50 by catalans and aragonese. However, the catalan culture was more dominant, they were richer with an important port and a merchant fleet, had more population and a bigger army so it was just natural that they ended having more influencem, no wonder most regions conquered to the moors were also repopulated by catalans or ended speaking in that language. Still, the country remained named Aragon due to the nobiliary order, paradoxes of life and history.

Catalans in 1714 didn't fight for independence, they fought for their "fueros" and the Austrian heir to the throne. Same with many other revolts which were mere pesant revolts asking for more tax leverage or less military abuse.

fuck, i meant reduced taxes.