Ok, how exactly was he evil?

Ok, how exactly was he evil?

>inb4 muh books
Movies are separate medium and should be able to stand on their own merit

B-B-BUT SILMARILLION

He lived in a blackened dead land with fiery volcanoes
His armor was black and had spikes
His people were disgusting ugly orcs

>Movies are separate medium and should be able to stand on their own merit
No fucking asshole, your passive agressive shitty thread will change nothing.

WATCH IT, OP!

Let me guess, you also think the author is alive

MY COCK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR COCK FUCKING ASSHOLE!
You have not the power of deciding what is good and not good and what's in a movie and what's not.

So essentially tolkien is mocking traditional germanic culture. The one ring is Draupnir and the one eye is Odin's eye. Orcs were greatly based on the vikings, and the language was rooted in germanic tongue


Fucking tolkien,enternal anglo

Blackened dead lands with fiery volcanoes?

That was actually a thinly veiled analogy to industrialization. Tolkien lived near a part of Birmingham that has been covered by soot from nearby factories that it has become knows as "the black land". Same deal with Saruman.

>His people were disgusting ugly orcs
and arabs and chinese the "men of the east" were all "wild and uncivilized cultures"

HAIL MAIRON

He sided with Melkor, who made it a personal vow to destroy everything that had been done (especially the elves, the most anticipated thing of the whole creation and timeline of Arda) out of jealousy and hatred.

He took Minas Tirith from the elves (not the 3rd age Minas Tirith, but the tower on Tol Sirion)

He gave the rings of power to the elves, knowing perfectly that it was to control them, yet not saying so. It failed though, as when he put his one ring on, the elves understood what was going on.

When confronted and "captured" by the Numénoreans, he destroyed them from within through corruption and manipulation, and even convinced some numenoreans to worship Morgoth instead of Iluvatar.

>thinly veiled

It is widely known he put on the glamor of Annatar to seduce Ar-Pharazon who raped him while in captivity thus leading to his corruption.

>He gave the rings of power to the elves
he supervised their forging but did not give them to the three, they wanted his craftsmanship but knew he was sketchy as hell

Tar Mairon was the liberator of the oppressed, and a genius industrialist. Tolkien is an unreliable narrator who translated The Red Book of Westmarch which is an unreliable and biased version of the events of the ''Third Age''.

what did Morgoth see when he went into the void?

It was the reverse though. Sauron voraciously raped cock-hungry Ar-Pharazon and all the faggots of Numenor to the oblivion and beyond.

Black Numenorian please go. Everyone knows Sauron craved the cock after Morgoth left. No one could satisfy him except an enraged Numenorian king.

He was Melkor at that moment. He probably had seen no vidya games

I don't think it was ever confirmed that Sauron went to the void, where Melkor prepares for Dagor Dagorath. Either he went through the doors of night, or he just wanders in Middle-Earth without physical form.

Oh im stupid, I read Sauron in your post for some reason.
Yeah, There is nothing to see in the void, it's the place where, like everywhere else that isnt Arda, space wasn't invented. It's just balrogs and Melkor circle jerking all day.

Fortunately history had witnessed that it was TAR MAIRON that filled every cock-hungry crevice of Numenorian scum with his Maia cream.
>Morgoth
You will address him as MELKOR THE LIBERATOR from now on, vile dreg.

And now Birmingham is occupied by orcs

Doesn't he literally say in the opening that he wanted to draw the free peoples of the world into darkness and enslave them all?

Doesn't that seem evil to you?

He wandered middle-earth indefinitely but he did have impermanent physical forms like the wizards before they were properly awakened.

He wanted to cover all the wordl in darkness, enslave and eradicate all who stood against him.

We live in a world where ending a human life early is considered the most evil thing one can do, and this guy wanted to do it on mass.

>how was he evil
his armies just tried to destroy gondor and frodo saw in galadriels water that he wanted to enslave the shire. no biggie i guess

Why are germans triggered so easily?

this is true

raceless mutt anglo bastards need extermination

>Believing in words of a known unreliable narrator

Go suck a Noldor dick, simple sheeple. It is actually a simple task since it is actually 9-10 cm long.

HE DINDU NUFFIN, HE A GOOD DARK LORD

HE JUST NEED MO LAND FOR DEM ORC PROGRAMS

>muh books

his men are shown burning villages in the first 3 minutes of the first film

This is such a fucking weak excuse.

It is later revealed that the narrator is Galadriel, one of the leaders of the anti-Sauron alliance, so we should take everything she says with a grain of salt.

All this LARPing

I dont know about that.
From what we see in the movies, orcs and humans could peacefully coexist under Saurons rule.
However, we never see orcs on the "good" side, and it is kinda implied that the "good guys" genocided the orcs after the end of the movie

What else do you want, a 20 minutes documentary before the movie starts on why Sauron is actually evil? They are telling you how it is, it's not their problem if you don't believe them. Also, even in the LOTR books, they don't really talk about Sauron's past.

he wanted to enslave the free peoples of middle earth
slavery is bad user
better fund those programs for the orcs, too many orc kids are out in the streets without orc dads

we are discussing how things were portrayed in the moive.
The movies are different from source material in several cases, so you cant use the books as reliable proof

>according to the elves

The didn't genocide them though. Most of the orcs were under enchantment anyway and once assuring was dead they fled back to their lands in the mountains and killed each other. Also there was an entire land in the south of half orc men that hated both sides and were largely neutral.

I dunno, maybe a scene that shows Sauron doing anything evil at all

Are you sure about that?
Cause the second movie makes it very clear that humans take no orc prisoners (interestingly enough, the "evil" orcs do).

No but you can use them to fill in the gaps or explain the background of something fairly well. Tolkien was a very mediocre writer but a genius world builder.

that doesn't sound like the sort of thing sauron would do

The only prisoners taken were taken per Sauron's orders otherwise they would have been killed or eaten.

If I have to relay on source material for the movie to make sense, then the movies sucks

even more proof that sauron is a good guy

>Gondor was basically Rome
>but then it split into the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom just like the Roman empire split into ERE and WRE
>Tolkien described Minas Tirith to be a "Byzantine city"
>Minas Tirith had a twin city called Minas Ithil across the great river/sea in Mordor similar to how the Byzantine empire had the twin-cities of Constantinople and Thessaloniki as co-capitals in Greece and Anatolia
>Minas Ithil (Constantinople) would suffer from a great plague (Justinian plague) and weaken
>then it would completely fall to the invading forces of Orcs (muslims) and be corrupted into Minas Morgul (Istanbul)
lel, even in fiction the Turks are the worst thing to happen to Middle earth.

what doesn't make sense

You don't, but it does help with questions that come up. I think the movies stand on their own but if you watch them more than once then questions will come up. Reading the books is the same way, and until the year he died he was continually answering letters and questions about it.