Tfw you realize liberals cannot be gotten to--no facts or arguments will ever change their mind...

>Tfw you realize liberals cannot be gotten to--no facts or arguments will ever change their mind, they'll just keep spinning shit to fit their narrative, so you give up and just start buying guns and wait for the war.

This is me now. I see people I know posting shit like pic related on Jewbook, and as I'm thinking of how to effectively make them look retarded for doing so, I am forced to remember all the times in the past I tried using logical arguments or facts to blow out a liberal, and instantly realize that is it a fool's errand.

I'm beginning to see liberals have this really odd way of thinking, that is sort of almost literally backwards, it's like everything is reversed. Everything they accuse us of, they actually are. Everything they accuse us of doing, they actually do. Every logical fallacy they accuse us of employing, is actually exactly what they are doing. It's fucking weird. It's like self-projection. Is it a fucking disease?

How does this tie into, or shape their worldview? How does this relate to cultural or actual Marxism? There has to be connections here, we must figure out the liberal thought process in order to more effectively defeat it.

Only the nutjob ones.
There's plenty of similar nutjobs on the right too.
It's more a "human" thing than a "left/right" thing.

you're right about not being able to convince them, there are the hardcore leftist till I die types, and then there are swinging voters, who are open to be swayed

not sure if he called anyone a nutjob, did he?

if you can figure out how to change a man's mind, then you can rule the fucking world, user.

nope. He didn't. I did.

Poor people literally did have the same opportunities. But its not our fault no one wants to hang out with or do business with you smelly poor faggots

yeah not sure if thats the best word. I think its more like a socially ingrained retardation where the hivemind is all powerful and drives the 1% thought processes and behaviour. thats why they hold these rallies and protests, because they're interconnected on some subconscious level

just happens that the liberal view accommodates lazy and stupid people at the moment. Being a backwards thinking stubborn retard has not much to do with which side of politics you stand on

So you're telling me kids raised in the hood/ghetto had the same chances and opportunities as kids raised in upscale middle class neighborhoods?

Because being one of those hood kids who had to work and slave my ass to get out, while my cousins had everything and more handed to them I can tell you that's absolute bullshit.

shitty grammer..

the 1% are leftist organisers who drive the thoughts and reactions of the 99%

For some of them yeah. But as I said a similar "retardation" can and often does occur on the right too. Some people are just vulnerable to indoctrination with bizzare, internally inconsistent ideologies.

are libraries still a thing?

I guess they'd say the same about people who grew up here?

The opportunity exists, it may be harder for the bottom guy to make it, but plenty of people in the top house fall, stagnate or generally do nothing with their lives as well.

read a fucking book

All the people I knew who grew up in fancy neighborhoods without sandniggers and crime are liberal. The people who did are not.

the fringes of the spectrum sure, cleetus is right now somewhere wearing tin foil and inspecting his cattle for evidence of UFO probing

the issue with the left is that their extreme view is no longer a fringe attitude but forms a foundation for their current attitudes

I see this too, and I try to think of the underlying commonality, and what I come up with most is blaming others for their shortcomings, and the ones who aren't in that group, are in group B of just simply all out egalitarianism and life shouldn't be hard, which fits group A's wishes.

This is true, but think of it more in terms of redpill and bluepill. I don't like those terms because they get thrown around here too much "muhhh I'm so fkn redpilled bro", but there is something about the bluepill that is literally backwards.

Get over yourself.

Growing up poor, you had access to more government aid than they ever did. Pell Grants, state programs etc.

Absolutely nothing was holding you in the hood.

first sweden post ever that is not an outright cuckoldry.
are you by any chance a tourist?

the problem with Sup Forums as a unit, is they seem to think redpill means being conservative. I'd like to have conversations on here about the beliefs of blue pilled people without getting bombarded with "coal burner","satan lover" etc. bullshit

There's usually a large genetic gulf between the rich and the poor and everybody forgets this. The left is right in the sense that the poor have less opportunity overall but they fail to realize that even if they were totally equalized the poor would continue to underperform because at their core the majority of the poor simply can't hack it.

It baffles me too OP.

The only explanation I can come up with is that sort of shit makes them "feel good".
>argue with marxist leftist brother 24/7
>ceaseless onslaught of repeated social justice warrior talking points
>have him take a personality test
>he's a ENFP while I'm an INTJ
>he is literally incapable of thinking people suck
>one race open border bullshit
>is also a normie
I really think that it is because it makes them "fit in" with their peer group. He's always tried to have lots of friends while I preferred to stay alone. I'm more willing to stand out and up for what I believe in. He went to church growing up just to socialize while I was adamantly an atheist. This ostracized me from a lot of people but I knew I was right.

/personal blog

I found that all the INTJ's I've met have been really cynical and angry at everyone around them. I wonder why that is

Alt-right.
Religious right.
Corporatist hard right.

Same shit

Kek, your brother reminds me of myself. Maybe I'm still bluepilled on this, but I think everyone is equally available to the truth, it's just choosing to see it. It doesn't take a genius to be a simple person and just accept things how they are.

This is why I'm personally so bothered by this, because I don't think people suck, generally, I like people, if you're warm and nice towards people, 99/100 times they are the same back to you. Maybe I'm retarded too so I just have a higher tolerance to retarded people, haha.

Someone has to really be a bad person for me to outright dislike them, otherwise, I simply view them as confused and don't hate them for it.

the day you see footage of cleetus holding a rally in a built up city area in support of his crazy beliefs... then you may be correct

but these days, we only see socialist communists holding these absurd gatherings and pushing their crazy agenda

I can say exactly the same thing about conservatives. Dumb people on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives on Sup Forums have a monopoly on "hurrrr you don't agree with me so your dumb" followed by mindless shit posting or misconstrueding facts to fit their narrative. Liberals do this too and I'd say it's 50/50

Liberals absolutely live for this shit and they live for misery.

Debating liberals is far too tiresome these days. If the liberal narrative started saying 50 Cent was white with white skin, no amount of facts could convince them otherwise. The amount of mental gymnastics they perform every day must be staggering

Post that some racist once paid a jungle nigger to play his drums and sing "the holocaust is a lie" for like 3 minutes.

Then ask how much they have done to help stupid jungle niggers get some food money that easily.

Tell yourself whatever you need to fucktard, but if you think the shit amount of money they give you just so you don't starve to death is anything, you got another thing coming.

Plus schools in the hood are absolute shit because the technology, there is none. And the teachers are fuckwits, who hardly even understand what the fuck they're teaching. You don't know half of this shit fuckboy.

communists rally because they believe in a homogeneous community. Of course people who appose that won't rally in the same way

Did you by any chance follow the republican primaries in the US?

>while my cousins had everything and more handed to them
Subjective; this is the way my cousins think of my siblings and I, when our family was 3x as large as theirs. We grew up in a nice house in a good neighborhood, but we had to get ourselves started when we were 18.

We all have the same 24 hours in the day. Everyone starts in a different place, but if you waste your time you're not going to go anywhere regardless of where you started.

Many people operate under the nearly religious belief that all people are equal. There's no reasoning with these people.

Nigger, you need to read testaments of teachers who tried to teach in the ghetto. There are plenty, PLENTY of good hearted people out there who want to do just that, but ghetto kids don't give a fuck and are disrespectful, and most times don't have parents who discipline them.

I'm not saying it's just as easy, but anyone born in America has the opportunity to become whatever they want, if they truly work hard and let nothing stop them. We give grants and all kinds of special shit to these kids, but most don't take advantage because they're rather smoke weed and join a gang.

of course~!

>homogeneous community
that's a good point

>There's usually a large genetic gulf between the rich and the poor and everybody forgets this. The left is right in the sense that the poor have less opportunity overall but they fail to realize that even if they were totally equalized the poor would continue to underperform because at their core the majority of the poor simply can't hack it.

It has nothing to do with being able to "hack it". If everything were equalized, there would still be poor because that's the environment capitalism eventually creates. There will always be poor in most economic systems regardless of how hard they work.

Do these dumb fucks realize that the house on the bottom was in pristine condition before all the niggers moved in?

I've met some liberals that can be reasoned with.

Usually it's just that they haven't done any research. Once I start explaining things like why the gun proposals failed, they wind up apologizing for their ignorance. I think that honest liberals eventually go libertarian/conservative, however.

The picture isn't exactly wrong but the problem is even when you take these people out of the ghettos and give them a free ride to a university they end up fucking up and getting involved in crime.

Talked to a US student here who brought up the same point as that pic. That if you grow up poor you're destined to be a shitter. I asked him how come a bunch of somalis that don't know how to boil water or shit in a toilet can cross continents but the american great ape can't cross a county line and pool some welfare money into escaping the ghetto.
His eyes just glazed over and he started telling that every time i say something like that little negro kittens get beaten with nightsticks in nazi germany.

It's like talking to a salesman, just when you think there isn't any more script he starts over from the beginning.

pic unrelated

>I think that honest liberals eventually go libertarian/conservative, however.

"If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you're older, you have no brain."

Some shit like that.

Pretty much.

The house was in good condition before the jobs in the area were outsourced for a profit. Americans have this uncanny to let the rich eviscerate the middle class, then blame the poor

our lives are directly related to our domiciles? fuck it, ill squat in a mansion and my kids will rule the world

I meant suck as in they just aren't equal in terms of ability, morality, or intelligence. He thinks there is only the human race and that any issue with people is because of social issues.

Most people are nice to me because I'm handsome, white and male. But I still notice when they aren't... very smart...

I've been called analytical but not cynical. I've been told I "lack empathy".

I grew up poor and never attended university. I make more money than my rich cousins. My neighborhood has an average home value of over a million dollars. My condo is half a million bucks and rising and they can't afford to get into the market.

What is your point?

But it is wrong. That house on the bottom was new at one point, then niggers moved in and destroyed it. You think that's because they weren't going to school? Give me a fucking break. I'm white, I dropped out of high school years ago, live in a shitty apartment building in NY, and nothing would make me happier than to own a home no matter how small it is so long as it isn't around niggers. Niggers just don't appreciate anything.

The second house is shit because of the people that lived in it. Its not an intrinsic quality of the house.

There are people who are drug addicts, from broken homes and with no jobs living in larger and nicer houses than I do and these house are located more centrally with facilities near by. They brought the price down to nothing with their presence.

Short of taking their children into custody there is nothing that can be done for them. They already get everything for free.

>just when you think there isn't any more script he starts over from the beginning.

Yes, then I realized I completely wasted my time talking to someone with zero reception, and then I want to go buy more guns.

Nope. Born and raised ethnic swede.

Jobs have nothing to do with how people choose to take care of their home and their community.

>technology
You mean books and chalk boards? Hood schools don't have books and chalk boards?

>dropped out of high school
>doesn't want to live around niggers

But, you are a nigger

I'm white and grew up in the 2nd house raised by a single mother earning less than 20k a year

My exsistence triggers liberals

The leftist mind is backwards, it's simply the result of no self awareness and narcissism

>using the social jew
I tried arguing with a cultural marxist the day after the Orlando shooting. He's gay, and literally the fucking day after he posts a pic of the tweet that blamed the shooting on the Christian right passing anti-LGBT laws. What in the fuck.

pic related

>and then I want to go buy more guns.
I finally put in the effort to find out what it took to get guns, and now the EU announced that it will make even stricter gun laws.
I hope i can squeeze in and have some guns grandfathered in before they stop selling them.

Yeah, sure. Give me the opportunity and I can also fuck you up for talking shit.

You, me and millions of other whites
To liberals, we basically don't even exist

This image is a massive oversimplification, but there is some truth to it.

The word "privilege" has become a joke, but the concept of "class privilege" was always a legitimate one. It was pretty much always accepted that those born into wealthy families had an easier time in life.

Liberals tend to think that more socialist policies are good at making things more fair, but I'm just not sure. The money always seems to go into someone's else's hands. The libertarian philosophy seems like a better "equalizer" since it would imply the government doesn't prop up already existing big businesses.

Not only that, but socialism relies on there being a class of poor, desperate people to vote for the socialist candidates.

Takes an adult mindset to recognize the scam

Uhhhh, the house was nice. Then jobs in the area dried up and homeowners left for an area with better Homes. House then became dilapidated because there was no market and the bank that owned it couldn't take care of it. There are literally thousands of homes like this and it has nothing to do with niggers. But I suppose expecting people on Sup Forums to use logic instead of blaming niggers is foolish

>The money always seems to go into someone's else's hands.

This is how it's always been and always will be. Nobody actually cares about the poor, especially poor niggers.

You just described a rightist thinker, not a liberal

You didn't graduate high school so I doubt you could use a map to find me.

No, but people who grew up on the top house earned it and people who grew up on the bottom earned that. It only takes 1 generation before you're in the top house and have kids there instead of the bottom

The manipulator exists to function in the world of people. They do not make for themselves, like those in the world of things, and so they must always perceive others as being the source of value and the solution to problems. They cannot be swayed from this way of thinking because it is literally tied to their method of survival. They MUST conceive of ways that others owe them because for what other reason would others give and do on their behalf?

It's important to remember that any conversation on how to move forward and combat the manipulator has no business involving the manipulator. Unlike the manipulator, it's all on us. Like you said OP, discourse is already poisoned, and who caused it, who's right, who's wrong, all of that is no longer even worth wasting time over It's all over but the winning and losing.

Best of luck user, hope it works out for you. I just bought by first AR 15, because I am convinced if Hillary happens to get elected, "assault" rifles are gone. Bill Clinton did it in the 90s, and Hillary has talked about it.

Not taking any chances, arming up now before it's too late.

Not graduating doesn't mean never attended, dumbass.

>dropped out of high school
>making $20/hr
>spend most of my workday bullshitting with friends
What now faggot?

Epic, very well said. And I dare think you may be right.

Just means you were smart enough to finish

Win the crowd, not the argument.

The war of ideas is won by by good salesmanship.

Am I supposed to be dazzled by that?

What a bunch of nonsense.

i grew up in the bottom image. now i'm pretty well off. just had to learn 14 languages the rest was easy. christ we're now at the point where a croat has to explain capitalism(God's way of determining who's smart and who's poor) to Americans.

Nice try there using the good ole fliperoo

...

>how well you take advantage of other people determines how smart you are

All rich people are psychos.

Class privilege is probably the only privilege that is legit. Of course a successful family has the right to give their children every possibility to be successful themselves but to imply those children don't have an advantage is just silly.

Only if you are asian. The test are too lazy to make the effort to get out of the ghetto and instead they vote for left parties that promise them grants and welfare aid

No, it's just easier for psychos to be rich people.

Well that's fair. I'll say it a different way. If you think liberals are the only group that is narcissistic and lacks self awareness, you're a fucking idiot with no perception of reality, who only looks to confirm his own bias.

>implying poor niggers can pull themselves up by the bootstraps instead of succumbing to the ghetto that you crackers created

but really go one about change and hope

Can someone get the picture of the Chinese and the Blacks in America as time went on from the Great Depression to now?

The
Zombie
Apocalypse
Is
Real

>the ghetto that you crackers created

How?

The most narcisistic and insane people I've known have all been university marxists. Conservatives are generally good hardworking people who just want to be left alone, leftists want to drag everyone down and force others to live by their standards because they're mentally ill narcissists

no...how well you do in life shows how smart you are. i've even heard uncomfirmed fables of people so smart, they didn't need to fuck anyone over for their money. it's crazy, but rumors are rumors, they always circulate...

Don't forget we're as priveleged as all the rich and middle class whites because of our skin color. And liberals call us racist.

It's true though, and I'm not even a poorfag, I grew up pretty rich. I 100% support socioeconomic (not race based) affirmative action.

Don't worry bruv. As op said there is no changing people's minds that growing up poor has the same opportunities.

But what most of you don't realize, is that growing up poor, you grow up with poor parents. Parents who don't know how to teach you about finances, what loans to borrow for school, how to properly adjust, provide you with a vehicle to get to and from school. There are lots of things. I'm not bitching, because I'm happy with how hard I've worked, there are just things that I wish I had known before hand.

>be forced to live around niggers my whole life
>get called a racist anyway by other whites simply because I'm white even though those same whites would never dare go to a ghetto let alone live in one for more than a week

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ive always consider willpower to be more important than intelligence in terms of being successful

and there are parents who don't teach you how to wipe your ass, brush your teeth or stick a dick into a cunt.

the things we have to figure out for ourselves...

Which I did. But not before making plenty of financial mistakes,

I grew up surrounded by borderline retarded conservatives and came to a similar conclusion OP.

Eventually I realized the only reason the US has been successful is because people like you and I have moderated the stupidity of the people around us.

Sure, maybe everything would be better if you or I had our way but we would also be empowering the retards that share our ideology and they would happily destroy everything because they are too fucking thick to grasp the dynamics of shit.

I guess if I had to say anything it would be this, be humble. There are millions of people with higher IQs than you or i and they fundamentally disagree with the both of us. Learn from them.

Why would anyone but a narcissist vote for a party whose motto is "ask what your country could do for you"?