Why do you Nazis have to lay your dirty goyim hands on everything?
>Then there’s that awkward moment when your work is feted and celebrated for all the wrong reasons by exactly the wrong kind of audience
>That happened to director John Carpenter when neo-Nazis and antisemites took to claiming on white power websites that Carpenter’s campily paranoid 1988 sci-fi action flick They Live, was an allegory for “Jewish control of the world”
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Death of the author. People are free to interpret fictional works free from the creator's intentions and should do so to liberate the work from interpretive tyranny.
Seriously? Carpenter saw some guy shitposting about They Live on twitter so he decided to shut up the shitposters with a tweet. Carpenter has probably already moved on and forgotten about it but mainstream media outlets are still reporting it and acting like it's a big deal. When are these clickbaiters gonna fuck off?
(((unrestrained capitalism)))
Carpenter shut a guy up about this already. It's not about Jews, but it is about a ruling class of alien monsters that subtley influence our mind through media. If the jews in charge of Hollywood and social media meet those then it's not really antisemitism, but a more of John calling that someone would do it.
Although he did leave Hollywood and Prince of Darkness could be seen as the corrupting influence of suits infecting every part of the industry. Although dude is pretty liberal.
He really should get introduced to VR. Man would probably make a great game if he wanted to do a cinematic horror game.
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That's dumb. You're dumb. If you write a book about puppies, readers aren't supposed to "interpret" it as a book about cocks.
Then what's the fucking point. Just to take things at face value and see everything as literal?
Writers subconsciously put things into their work. So while they think their story of love is great, it might actually be a story about fear.
They can't save it, it's literally the fucking plot.
>If you write a book about puppies
Never go full retard, user.
>there's only one right interpretation of this movie
>it is about a ruling class of alien monsters that subtley influence our mind through media.
So it is about jews.
"It wuz the j00s n' shiet" stuff is only funny when you're not taking the answer seriously. When you do take it seriously you are just retarded, especially when They Live is so obviously about Reagan-era corporate consumerism.
yo I read Jacques Derrida too back in college. Thing is, I grew up. >=3c
While interpretation is bound to take many directions, the author's voice still counts for a great deal when it comes to a work of art.
Funny how people who blame postmodernism for the decay of society are suddenly keen on embracing a post modern concept when it personally suits them. Really makes you think.
pretty much
>People are free to interpret fictional works free from the creator's intentions
So is J.J Abrams a genius then?
Art's value is entirely derived from the audience's interpretation and appreciation.
Art cannot be art unless an audience acknowledges it. The artist does not matter.
>Put movie on Sup Forums recommended watch list
>Make Sup Forums memes with it
>OMG NEO NAZIS HAVE ABDUCTED A CULTURAL TOUCHSTONE
Why are liberals so hyperbolic and humorless?
Liberals can be pretty redpilled about the oligarchy. The only reason there are two separate narratives is to keep us distracted from the ruling class anyway
>That's dumb. You're dumb. If you write a book about puppies, readers aren't supposed to "interpret" it as a book about cocks.
...Are you saying I just wasted 100k of my parents hard earned money on my humanities degree?
>Then what's the fucking point.
SOME stories are intentionally open-ended and left for freedom of interpretation. Not all of them.
That is 100% up to the author to decide.
>It's an analogy for unrestrained capitalism!
>...So...Jews, right?
What if the puppies in said book act nothing like actual puppies but instead act like throbbing, veiny cocks?
>Jewish control of the world
What an interesting subject to bring up.
Honestly I think these hysterical overreactions to what some basement-dwelling Sup Forumsacks with anime avatars on Twitter are eventually going to backfire, and start convincing people that the Jews actually do run everything
I definitely remember rags from when the movie came out talking about "veiled antisemitism".
This dialog hasn't just been happening now. People always saw the parallels regardless of political slant. This is not even remotely a new thing and it's weird Carpenter took so long to actually address it.
Like, we need 6 articles in formerly respected news journals about what a 15 year old on Sup Forums posted and forgot about ten minutes later after he went off to b8 to Rule 34 of Overwatch.
Fucking white males more like it
>tfw you realize Jews and white males are one and the same
I saw a group of critics (the same ones that attacked James Rolfe) stating;
>Huh? WTF? How could ANYONE, EVER have gotten that sort of interpretation from this film? It makes no sense at all!
Nah.
The Jews are trying to shift the blame on to White People to get some of the heat off of them.
The Eternal Anglo has been doing this to the rest of Europe and the Jews for a thousand years.
Based Anglo.
0/10
What about Society? Can it still be about Jewish control?
>based Carpenter makes a movie taking the piss out of Jews
>autistic faggots from Sup Forums publicly confront him over it
>Carpenter is forced to deny it or get Mel Gibson'd
>He denies it
>>"s-see guys? it wasn't really about jews, he'd have admitted it if it were!"
Art is subjective. You don't get to pick how your audience interprets your art.
>>Carpenter is forced to deny it or get Mel Gibson'd
Gibson'd if he's lucky! They could have killed him like Roddy Piper.
fpbp
This fucking primitive comparison jesus christ.
>jews
>white
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Where did this influx of "neo-nazis" come from? 5 years ago you only saw them in fiction, but nowadays you can't stop hearing about them in the news.
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They literally think Sup Forums is a Neo Nazi website.
It's the new boogeyman. Christian Fundamentalists doesn't seem to work much anymore.
He's not really liberal, though. Escape From LA features a pretty incisive parody of liberal extremism. Carpenter is anti-establishment.
Why do people keep posting this? Piper spent most of his life getting beaten up for a living and his head wasn't on right. When he refers to They Live being a documentary, he's talking about The Brunswick Affair, a satirical short film about brainwashing that Piper thought was real.
google the phrase "stormfront AND Sup Forums", you will see they have made quite an effort to poiso-I mean redpill the young, susceptible minds here
These people see everyone as "literally Hitler" so of course they make it seem like there's Neo-Nazis everywhere.
>flick
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I think Carpenter is already about 30 steps ahead of you at every turn.
(((News)))
Guys, John Carpenter died a few years ago. This isn't John Carpenter. Wtf?
It's his fucking fault.
If he wanted to drive his point he should have shown the aliens disguised as blacks and Asians.
If he wants to reclaim it just make a sequel and do it right.
>The only reason there are two separate narratives is to keep us distracted from the ruling class anyway
Nigga they've assassinated people for telling the truth before.
Keep your head down.
>writing a book about puppies
>book about puppies
>puppies
>antisemitism will become mainstream again in your lifetime
feels good lads
breaking bad
>Reagan-era corporate consumerism
Not at all mutually exclusive with international jewry.
>3 sentence tweet shutting down a theory of the movie
>write a fucking article going on about the right and how they're neo-nazis
They obviously browse this board because who else would have known about that conversation besides the autists on here? Wouldn't that make them a neo-nazi as well?
In the 80s it was satanists, and satanic cults.
In the 90s it was pedophiles, and child molester rings.
In the 00s it was muslim terrorists, and terroristgroups.
In the 10s it's nazis, and fascist groups.
The general public always needs to be sold an outside threat that is the greatest harm to the values it wants to posit itself with.
>couldnt be further from the truth
It amazes me that people on Sup Forums deny Jewish control of the media. Anyone with an iq over 70 should notice it.
Lol I can tell right away this graph is bullshit
well at least blacks are represented sort of correctly
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Yeah except idiots are supposed to be contained. When it doesn't happen you get ISIS. You can convince yourself of whatever you want, problem is whenever you start attracting retards who are too stupid to tell the difference between reality and your imagination.
>I reject this data because believing the truth would make me feel like a bad person. Ignoring the truth allows me to not think too much.
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>cry when blacks complain they want more Oscars saying they should just make better movies or be better actors if they want more awards and recognition
>complain that jews are too represented
hypocrisy is off the charts here
Jews are not White, according to Jews.
Meryl Streep, for example, is Jewish, yet there are zero Jews in your graphic.
I don't think you know what that word means.
Does They Live have jewish imagery, though? I can't remember any.
>Jews are not White, according to Jews.
And since when do you give a fuck what jews say?
I think the point is Whites are a small minority in Hollywood, but are blamed for everything.
Whites aren't the directors or producers, and don't run SAG. Yet protests target Whites, not Jews.
None at all. Which is why what they are trying to do with these articles is so insidious. They are implying that criticizing the elites = criticizing jews = you are a bigot, so therefore if you criticize the elites you are a bigot
"The Jews" and "Yuppies and unrestrained capitalism" are the exact same tucking thing.
It's not just the Jews ringing the world but the ones in the US sure are part of the globalist gang.
I wouldn't expect you closet Sup Forums marxists to understand anything anyway, you're too busy crying that some group of people is under-represent and oppressed by the jewish bourgeoisie instead of manning up and accepting that meritocracy will always win over your butthurt feelings.
And what is your point exactly? The first graph with the 'Jewish' category is fake, that is all.
You want to discuss the Jews? Bring something worthwhile, not your fake infographs. That's redpilled, right?
Exactly.
Criticize Wall Street, international banking, or globalists, and you are an anti-semite because Jews dominate those groups
Which suddenly fakes all those old Jewish tropes true, and leads to quick spiral to a red pill, if the reader is not careful with their doublethink.
>The first graph with the 'Jewish' category is fake
Is it?
You are making shit up.
Occupy Wall Street happened and nobody (at least in the mainstream media you claim is Jewish) regarded it as 'anti-Semitic'.
If the tropes are true, why didn't they paint what is arguably the biggest protest against Wall Street as anti-Semitic?
Look guys animal farm isn't about socialism okay?! it's about (((unrestrained farm animals))) who will ruin ya farm if they get control.
Wall street was full of hippies and literally made no progress. It wasn't a threat once it was subverted.
Not him, but, I remember reading articles that talked about "anti-semitic undertones" to OWS. Many of the OWS protesters became alt-right later. Didn't Trump have a firestorm in October for criticizing the global banking system?
>unrestrained capitalism
>yuppies
That's also the Jews
You don't read much, do you?
Occupy Wall Street: Does anyone care about the anti-Semitism? in the Washington Post.
Use google, there are tons of articles.
In Animal Farm, the animals represent types of people that exist in real life. Your error is having it backwards: 'the jew' is fiction and represents the capitalists who are real, conspiracy theorists simply choose not to recognise this.
>Prince of Darkness could be seen as the corrupting influence of suits infecting every part of the industry.
What the fuck are you on about?
They did paint it as anti-semitic and they are painting the DNC as anti-semitic.
It just didn't stick.
Apparently the term "Globalist" is anti-semitic too.
Which is weird, because I've never seen anyone (outside of Sup Forumsacks obviously) call Globalism itself semitic.
Back in the day the anti-semitic antecedent for "globalist" was "internationalist".
Oh, I should specific that most of the stuff I saw on OWS being "anti-semitic" was tied in to the fringe groups that were associated with it - and that was tied in to Israel/Palestine (since Israelis will call any criticism of that relationship anti-semitic).
It's about the tone and content of the message. Much of Sup Forums and the right wing critics of globalism are like a modern Charles Coughlin. If you've ever listened to his broadcasts on the subject you can recognize the anti-semitism in his "anti-globalist" message very easily, and the guy was obviously sympathetic towards the Nazis. Simply criticizing globalism and elites isn't what it's about. There are plenty of left wing critics of such things who don't get that accusation thrown at them because they don't infuse those elements into it.
There are also plenty of lefties who DO get criticized as anti-semitic.
Pic related.
Again, much of it is tied to the Palestinian issue - But often when true leftists question economic systems, their critics will hover over the anti-semitism button. They refer it back to Pravda and their attacks on "rootless cosmopolitans" rather than Nazism of course.
Read the NYT article on OWS. The entire concept was anti-semitic PLUS whackos with signs. There was a quote something like, "The Tea Party will always be considered racist, and OWS will always be considered anti-semitic."
Complain about bankers looting your country, and you are smeared.
What about Animal Farm?
man Skrillex got old.
>blacks won more oscars than white
>still complain about blacks not winning enough oscars
It's like poetry - every stanza kinda rhyme with the last one.
Carpenter had it right, even if he cannot publicly admit it
You might be the most retarded person on Sup Forums, and I say that in a literal sense
Trump got elected, so it already is.
>a guy whose daughter, son-in-law and grandkids are jewish
>LE ANTISEMITISM XD
how delusional can you mongoloids get
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