Who were the 20th century's musical genius?
Who were the 20th century's musical genius?
The list is too long.
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Brian Wilson
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Kevin Shields
Brian Eno and Richard D James
Stravinski is number one no question
ike turner and phil spector
Dmitri Shostakovich
John Coltrane
Paul McCartney
Paul McCartney
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Brian Wilson
Captain Beefheart
Michael Gira
Thom Yorke
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kys noen of you cited the greatest musician of all time Jimi Hendrix
Some off the top of my head
>classical
Russians like Scriabin, Shostakovich, Stravinsky etc.
Mahler
Debussy
Sorabji
Szymanowski
Leo Ornstein
>jazz
Both Coltranes & Sanders
Mingus
Oscar Peterson
Davis
>pop
Brian Wilson
McCartney, Lennon & Harrison
Brian Eno
Mark Hollis
Kevin Shields
Richard D. James
>lumping everything that isn't classical or jazz under "pop"
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Hendrix was one of the greatest guitar players but he definitely wasn't a "musical genius"
What's wrong? I lumped pop music genres into one, classical is obviously meant as Western art music and jazz is something inbetween.
>lumping all music into pop, folk, and art
this is the most asinine, pretentious thing I've ever seen, it it's bait then well-done.
> Can play National american anthem only with guitar
> Can improvise for 10-15mn behind his back, on the ground and with his teeth
> Literally revolutionized how you play an instrument
> His songs are genius-tier
> His songs are still sampled
> Continue to influence artists these days
> Killed himself when he couldn't make more progress in his music
> Dedicated his whole life to creating new kind of music, new vibes and sounds
I guess it could certainly be argued that he's a musical genius, I was just thinking more in terms of composition and overall contribution to music as a whole.
How'd you prefer it?
Yeah i guess you're right
By referring to music by it's actual genre instead of pretentiously implying that everything but jazz and classical is in the same category "pop"? If you try to say that Aphex Twin is "pop" in any way beyond a couple hit songs, you're an idiot.
Don't you see how those categories overlap each other though?
I think they makes perfect sense if you'd wanna discuss music in general terms.
as in "pop"ular music
why not?
Kevin Parker
No, it doesn't make perfect sense. You are lumping Swans in the same musical category as Day69, when the two have less in common than a jazz musician and a classical composer.
If you are using that as your definition of "pop" (which is a stupid thing to claim, even if that's originally what the term meant it's clearly evolved to be a genre of it's own) there are plenty of artists that he would lump in under "pop" that are far less popular than Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, or many jazz musicians, especially Miles Davis or Grant Green.
he doesn't want to discuss shit
he needs an infinite genre tree so he can put relativism at work and call genious anyone he likes or is fan of.
that's what boils at the bottom
lou reed
mark e smith
steve albini
reggae, dub (only the greats)
hip hop (only the greats)
electronic music (only the greats)
50's rockers
japanese music (some of them)
Schönberg
Webern
Stravinsky
>reggae, dub (only the greats)
>hip hop (only the greats)
>electronic music (only the greats)
>50's rockers
>japanese music (some of them)
What kind of shitty band name is that
Hendrix
Wilson
>only one comment with Kevin Shields
Sup Forums is getting dumb
i was talking on genres not single artist
>reggae, dub (only the greats)
congos, lee perry, king tubby, yellowman...
>hip hop (only the greats)
public enemy, de la soul, bdp, wu tang clan, notorious big...
>electronic music (only the greats)
kraftwerk, cluster, ymo, juan atkins, carl craig, basuc channel, jeff mills, deep house, mouse on mars...
>50's rockers
bo diddley, gene vincent, hank williams, link wray...
>river cumo
Shostakovich
Penderecki
Stockhausen
Bill Evans
John Coltrane
Miles Davis
Brian Wilson
Stevie Wonder
Prince
Phillip Glass
Shostakovich
Marvin Gaye
Curtis Mayfield
Quincy Jones
Nina Simone
The Beatles (collectively)
Bjork
Kate Bush
Peter Christopherson
D'Angelo
Nick Drake
Ornette Coleman
Sun Ra
Donny Hathaway
Aphex Twin
Squarepusher
Autechre
Rakim
Ice Cube
Jim O'Rourke
DJ Paul
DJ Skrew
David Bowie
Trent Reznor
Dilla
Arthur Lee
Jonny Greenwood (Altho his genius bloomed later)
Dr. Dre
Outkast
Micheal Gira
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Idk I'm missing a lot so fuck it. I guess it might seem like this list is long, but when you compare this to the total amount of musicians that have been trying to make it over the last 100 years, this is like the .00001% cream of the crop.
Defining genius is tricky given how many different types of musicianships there are. The ways in which outkast is a genius is different than the way stockhausen was a genius. The ways in which stevie or prince was a genius is totally different than, say, rakim. And then you have geniuses like Dilla that could chop a sample into beat skeleton, hear a baseline in his head, then use 3 different baselines from 3 completely different records he had lying on his shelves for years and mesh them into a coherent bassline. No one else on this list could do crazy shit like that, he just had a freak brain for sampling which is a very specific type of musicianship..
So I'd say the most inclusive, accurate picture of a musical genius is just someone who is able to see and actualize musical possibilities that their peers can't, and use that skill to make work that is starkly progressive compared to what's coming out around it (and often times very influential as a result).
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Obviously these individuals all have things in common. When you read about these people they all showed aptitude/love towards music at a young age. They often have really good musical memories. Most of them suffered from some sort of mental disorder or abnormality (Depression, Anxiety, Addiction, and even Schizophrenia) Often times individuals like this have a characteristic style or aesthetic(s) that others will try to replicate. And also these geniuses often display the uncanny ability to continually reinvent themselves aesthetically.
mark e smith
brian eno
do you like his late career period? i do like
It's a very broad division. It makes sense.
>pop
Made be played to a larger audience as possible, gets recorded, sold and distributed.
>art
Is written down or performed, experimental, generally serves different purposes than pop.
>folk
Traditional stuff, I don't even need to go into detail, it's pretty obvious.
Most theorists, musicologists, academics, professional musicians and people who actually do music for a living sort of agree with this broad division, so calm yer titties.
Everything is popular music now with MP3 and the internet.
Based trichotomyposter.
The fact of the matter is that there are three very different purposes which music(al genres) serve. One is cultural in nature, one is artistic in nature, one is consumerist in nature. It's that simple, really. They can overlap, of course.
Nobody has mentioned Elton John yet. The man can improvise like nobodies business. I'd say that probably qualifies him as a musical genius.
>three very different purposes
>They can overlap, of course
If they can overlap this easily they are not so different.
The fact is that everthing can be stored in recording nowadays, so this trichotomy just seem outdated.
The fact that there are exceptions doesn't mean there aren't rules that apply 99% of the time to this.
It's not outdated, it was literally made in the age of recordings. As I said: one is cultural in nature, one is artistic and one is consumerist. The primary goal of the last one is to SELL. The first two... not so much. Therefore it's not outdated and you aren't selling any good arguments as to why it shouldn't be like this. It's a very simple division.
>It's not outdated
Well then give me an example of art music and an example of traditional/folk music made in 2017 or 2018.
He wasn't musically literate at all, he didn't know the first thing about music theory, but had an incredible ear and he could play anything he thought of.
>art music made in 2017 in 2018
Pic related. Found this lying around. I have no fucking idea what it's about but it definitely isn't made to sell like an album from your favorite obscure noise rock group or Beyonce or a Miles Davis movie OST is made to sell. I can't find recordings of this shit anywhere online but I heard some of her recorded compositions last year at a presentation or something. This serves completely different purposes.
>traditional/folk music made in 2017 or 2018
That's... not how that works. Unless you mean a traditional music recording from 2017 or 2018, in that case: literally check out any nation's anthem recorded in 2017 or 2018 or any traditional/folk songs from any country that have deep roots and are a cultivated by locals literally from anywhere, really. Just go out of the fucking city suburbs or some shit. Traditional songs are very old and change slowly, they've only begun to be cataloged and stuff in the 20th century.
There really are massively different purposes here. There's another huge group of music which is religious or sacred that sometimes doesn't even have the purpose of being listened to or recorded at all because it's purely a religious/chant thing. But I guess you could include that one in the traditional group because you know... it's connected with a certain culture and shit, it doesn't have the consumerist dimension at all, it doesn't care about that, it doesn't exist like that.
It's really fucking simple, music serves very different purposes. And a very simple generalisation is to group them into popular (consumerist) music, artistic (experimental) music and traditional (cultural, folk) music. I'm done now because there literally isn't any more to say and I doubt you have any good arguments against this because this is literally what most academics, theorists and just people in general who are exposed to all these different types of music, cultures and practices believe.
Oh and obviously her compositions were made in 2017.
Jarre
Vangelis
Lou Reed
who
has she ever even listened to a whole swans album from front to end?
>Lou Reed
LOL
But he is probably one of the most creative guitarrist ever.
It's a meme, but who was rapping about whipping bitches and heroin before him? No one.
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