Here, let's unite nations that have been fighting each other for a thousand years, have vastly different economies...

>here, let's unite nations that have been fighting each other for a thousand years, have vastly different economies, systems of governments, languages and basically everything under the leadership of socialists, internationalists, centralists and professional bureaucrats
>I'm sure nothing bad can come of this

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What nations?
Pretty much every member of the EU is a noncountry

>gets rich on german investment
>can travel freely
>complains on the internet

Well, well, well! Look at discount Germany getting it!

>country whose main export is beggars talk about other countries being non-countries

My country is Transylvania

If it stayed as the Free trade an movement area, I wouldn't

The Union needs to be political and military in addition to economic.

>have vastly different economies, systems of government

All countries within the EU are capitalist liberal democracies.

>it's going better than expected
>let's invite a million third worlders

> professional bureaucrats
The combined bureaucracy of the EU has about the size of a mid-sized city with a population about 200k people. Pretty small actually.

There are more differences between american states, than between european countries. And american states are not very different. Let alone some truly multiethnic, multicultural countries like India, China or Russia.

>greek orthodox sun-living extroverts
>vs finns
>same as florida vs michigan

The problem isn't 1 million third worlders, that's nothing compared to the population size of the EU. The problem is that almost all of them went to a few select countries.

> leadership of socialists
Free trade is inherently capitalist. The pioneer of economic liberalism Adam Smith opposed any kind of mercantile system.

the problem is the million third worlders

anything else is just a result of that

without EU, you would be either Russians or Germanys bitch

why

Ivan, you have to go back

Yes of course that would've been better. I'm simply saying that it was very poorly executed and that if we HAD to take in 1 million third worlders then it could've been done in a much better way where it would hardly be felt at all.

no such thing

Because otherwise parts of it will be subverted by Russian, Chinese, or American interests. Competition is global.

Wrong you irredentist

An economical union without standardized regulations and consumer rights and protections doesn't make much sense. This is actually 80% of shit the EU is actually doing.

>This is actually 80% of shit the EU is actually doing.
>other 20% is facilitating an Islamic invasion

Would you please stop it, Germany? This time your country is going to disappear entirely. If you are going through with it though we have dibs on Pomerania.

>This time your country is going to disappear entirely.

Can it get any more hysterical than this? Why are Swedish men so effeminate.

>Germany's bitch

How's that different from being inside the EU?

I'm not Ivan

>EU
>"free" trade

I wouldn't call subsidies, quotas and unification of protectionism free trade.

And the difference between a man and a monkey is just a few genes.

If we're so effeminate then why is half of Germany protestant?

Less than 30% of Germany is protestant. Half of Germany is irreligious.

>i-it's o-only 25 million
That's roughly the same as all Nordic countries put together.

>lets complain about the EU but still continue to leech billions a year in subsidies and spend it on BMW's and leather jackets

>How's that different from being inside the EU?
It seems to me that many EU-critics think that their country would be sovereign if they left the EU. But this is not the case, only big countries like USA can be truly sovereign, smaller counries will be always influenced by bigger countries

Why is Sweden protestant when it's a German religion? And why is the king on your picture German?

Within the EU yes, trade is mostly free and the EU has 30-40 more free trade agreements with other territories and states. You are confusing me. You prefer what exactly? You realize that you have to start somewhere?

>How's that different from being inside the EU?
It pretty easy. Don't you learn about European institutions in civics class? With shared institutions you get a say a vote and even a veto on common policies and legislation.

If the Czech republic bordered a completely sovereign and unshackled Germany you would have to adopt all the legislations, monetary policy and regulations adopted by us just out of sheer economical dependency.

So you have a choice, you either can have a vote in the European parliament and a veto and seat in the Council and Commission of the EU and even team up with other states to conterweight or just adopt anything the German national parliament and government says.

There is no in-between. There are no completely sovereign and independent nations in history. There always are economical and political dependencies.

>Why is Sweden protestant when it's a German religion?
Ideas don't have nationalities. Besides, we mostly like German things.

>And why is the king on your picture German?
The members of a house doesn't make them the nationality of wherever its from. If anything he was a half-dane.

>That's roughly the same as all Nordic countries put together.
Your point is? Nordic countries are small in population size.

25 million is a considerable chunk of people, even by German standards.

>There are more differences between american states, than between european countries

wat? How?

The difference is that now legislation can be forced on us through "democracy" (case in point: quota system) while if you are independant, you don't have to accept anything but the bare minimum. So no meme energy policy, no vacuum strenght regulation, no subsidies that warp the market, just free trade and movement.

>no vacuum strenght regulation,

These uniform regulations are requested by the representatives of the affected industries your retard. They aren't created in a vacuum.

>if you are independant, you don't have to accept anything but the bare minimum.
This won't help you much if people are fleeing your country en masse because you just crashed the economcy with non-sensical policies.

>just free trade and movement.
Free trade and movement without a common regulatory framework would create a unsustainable asymmetries.

>no vacuum strenght regulation
>just free trade
how can there be free trade if czechs vacuum cleaners dont fullfill the regulations in germany?

>make one kind of vacuum cleaners for german market
>make another for czech market

>you just crashed the economcy with non-sensical policies

That's every country's cross to bear

>Free trade and movement without a common regulatory framework would create a unsustainable asymmetries.

That's literally what comparative advantage is all about, you idiot

>Civil wars don't exist
>Multiple languages and dialects in one country don't exist
Standardizing the national language is a relatively recent phenomenon.

can you see how making different vacuum cleaners for 27 different markets would decrease the productivity of czech vacuum cleaner producers?

>make another for czech market
Which Czech market? Lol.

You won't get to export your vacuum clearners anywhere if your idea of gaining a competitive advantage involves removing safety and consumer protection standards.

>That's every country's cross to bear
I see. I gave you the benefit of a doubt that your motives are just based on some faint notion of (economical) self-interest but you are just an irrational fanatic that is chasing a faux-romantic notion of autarky.

You sound like a Communist leader from the time before the wall came down.

If my country was a member of the eu, we would have sold much more electronics, cars, smartphones, ships and semiconductors even tanks and jets there

You already have a free trade agreement with the EU though.

usually these halfway-there deals are pretty limited

No, I don't. Mainly because it's just a matter of tweaking the settings. Also, if Germany has power consumption laws and Czech republic doesn't, nobody is forcing the producer to sell Czechs different vacuums than they sell Germans. However, if there is money to be made on the Czech market by selling stronger vacuums, there is no reason why they shouldn't have. Do you see Google crying they have produce X different versions of their product for every langauge out there? Do you see car companies complaining they have to produce right-side driving cars for the Brits? No, you don't.

Why the fuck do I have to teach you basic economy?

>
>safety
>consumer protection standards

So a more powerful vacuum is somehow endangering german citizens, good to know.

>economical self-interest

Our self-interest is to stay in the free market while dodging all the retarded regulation EU spews.

huh languages aren't a thing now I guess

imagine you are small vacuum cleaner producer with maybe 50 workers. You will be forced to hire a law expert for every european country you wann sell vacuum cleaners to.

>Also, if Germany has power consumption laws and Czech republic doesn't, nobody is forcing the producer to sell Czechs different vacuums than they sell Germans.
That would mean that Czech Republic would basically follow German consumption laws, without having any say in them

>However, if there is money to be made on the Czech market by selling stronger vacuums, there is no reason why they shouldn't have. Do you see Google crying they have produce X different versions of their product for every langauge out there?
Google doesn't care, because Google has no problem to afford a legal department. If every European country has its own regulations, that would make it even harder for small family companies to compete with large multinational corporations

Common regulations allow more companies to enter the market of smaller countries.
More companies means more competition and lower prices for consumer goods.

Your example is one where you'd have less regulations, which is fine, but ignores any situation where you'd want more.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's not even that they're going to a few select countries, it's lack of integration and placing them all together creating ghettos.

>ignores any situation where you'd want more

Why would I want more regulation?

>follow German consumption laws, without having any say in them

No, Czech Republic would be following German demand. Same thing is happening with Hollywood, fidget spinners, McDonald etc. etc. yet nobody is complaining (except for MUH CULTURE fags who don't know the best kind of voting is with their wallet)

>small family companies to compete with large multinational corporations

Small family companies compete by being either closer to the customer or offering unique product Unified regulation benefits big multinationals far more than it benefits small companies, chiefly by usually being devised in consultation with big multinationals. What benefits small companies the most is sensible and low regulation, not unified regulation.

>No, Czech Republic would be following German demand. Same thing is happening with Hollywood, fidget spinners, McDonald etc. etc. yet nobody is complaining (except for MUH CULTURE fags who don't know the best kind of voting is with their wallet)
So you would rather not have a say in EU laws, and simply follow German demand? I don't exactly see how it benefits you

>Unified regulation benefits big multinationals far more than it benefits small companies
How? Multinational corporations have no problem keeping up a legal departement that can follow the law changes in every country. That is something a small company simply can't afford, so it would have to specialize on one or a few European countries. With EU and single market, however, all EU countries have the same regulation, and small companies can sell in the whole of EU, without needing legal experts for the law in each country

>why would I want more regulation
So you can have different classes of vegetables based on quality with different associated prices. For example.
The old curved banana meme started from a regulation that put bananas that were extra curvy in the cheaper category.

Regulation is about standards as much as it is about restrictions, one can even say those are the two fides of the same coin.
EU doesn't completely ban extra strong vacuums, it puts them in the 'industrial' category, if memory serves right.

>here, let's unite nations that have been fighting each other for a thousand years
>Czech Republic
Who did you fight for thousands of years?Bulgaria fought Byzantine(Greece) and modern Greece countless times.We are getting along pretty well right now.So i think the problem is you personally.
I was a schoolboy right before the fall of the USSR.
When some underage shit on the internet tries to compare both used to make me angry.Now i've accepted that there are stupid people like that.Mouthbreathers who just talk trash for the sake of talking trash.

>let's unite nations that have been fighting each other for a thousand years
This is a stupid argument. The point of the union was to stop them doing that.

>simply follow German demand?

If the German demand makes sense, there is no reason not to follow it. If it doesn't, odds are somebody is going to produce products catered to countries with sensible regulation.

>Multinational corporations have no problem keeping up a legal departement that can follow the law changes in every country.

They don't want to though. 95% of small companies operate only inside of their own countries no matter how unified the law is so they don't benefit from the common market or they export to one country whose laws they know. They however are hampered if the unified legislation is catered to big multinationals with added costs for extra consumer protection.

>They don't want to though. 95% of small companies operate only inside of their own countries no matter how unified the law is
This is certanly not true for Germany, pic related. Most of German export comes from small or mid-sized companies.

>price setting

Again, why would I ever be in favor of that?

>Who did you fight for thousands of years?

Germans, usually.

No need when we have American bases everywhere

>under 50m€
>small
>over 1000m€
>big

Those are some pretty retarded criteria

Not price setting.
Imagine you have a tomatoes.
Obviously they are heterogenous, some are better other are worse.
If you have them sold as equal you have people cherry picking the best. So naturally they get separated and sold as different classes to reflect their quality.
You have to have seen it in shops.

>No need when we have American bases everywhere
That's exactly why it is needed. You lot need to force the occupying yank soldiers out of your countries pronto.

Yeah. But there is no reason why this needs to be regulated.

I trust the Yanks more than any other Euro country.

>I trust the Yanks more than any other Euro country.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
PFAHAHAHAHAH!!!
AAGHGFDJMHJFNDFBS!!!

Amerilard on vacation i'd presume.That would explain your retarded replies.

>I trust the Yanks more than any other Euro country.
youtube.com/watch?v=M1DcD8e55YY

And yet most of Czechs support EU and Czechia in it. God bless EU.

CURSE GERMANS FOR ALL ETERNITY

>hurr durr fucking sudetengermans, fucking poles, fucking slowvaks

hehe good, keep buying those german flags, that will show us

>another Slav butthurt thread
>"wtf EU gibe us more monei!!!!"
>"wtf EU rules??? Fuck EU!!!!"

>there is no reason why it has to be regulated
consumer confidence means more consumption
if consumers know what they are buying will be to a standard they will be more willing to spend
it's the same logic as consumer protection, scams are bad for the real quality producers and bad for the people buying
letting the free market sort everything dumps overhead on the consumer that ends up impairing the system
nobody has time to research every single thing they buy, it's suppliers and history
It's why we have to regulate what can be called what and what can't.
The above is a big part of what EU synchronizes, local specialties can't have bootleg versions and sausages have to have proper meat in them. And it's better for everybody if those rules are the same for all 27 countries.

>another internet libertardian thread
>ANCAP RULEZ XDDD
>FUCK THE STATE, free market will fixit!
>Rothbard is so dreamy ^_^

you are hungarian

Something like 88% of Poles support EU. EU critics are strong only on Sup Forums.

Germans are rife with retarded ideologies since the creation of their country, Frenchies are cowards and commies, Italians are more politically unstable than we are, Brits don't care about the continent. I'm to trust these they have our best interest at heart?

>we can't

It worked for literally centuries. It turns out poisoning your customer is bad for the business.

>most of Czechs support EU and Czechia in it

Lol no. Not since the quota business.

Ok, you're full ancap, no point in talking.

>I'm to trust these they have our best interest at heart?
More than americans, yes, of course! Also all of those things apply to Usa far more than it does the countries you listed, except commies.

>implying I am an ancap retard
>implying I am libertardian at all