Star trek plot holes, fuck ups etc.
I always notice a lot of ridiculous things every time I go back and watch star trek
I've been watching deep space 9 and in an episode they mentioned sending the jem hadar to a prison camp, then I realized they'd die in a couple days without ketracel white
What poorly through out writing have you guys noticed in star trek?
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DS9 was a rip-off from B5 anyways.
if you know the facts it is pretty obvious.
star trek is mostly a family friendly show, some DS9 episodes are exceptions but i don't care that much about plotholes in a family show.
only thing DS9 did better were characters like damar, weyoun and dukat.
>I've been watching deep space 9 and in an episode they mentioned sending the jem hadar to a prison camp
What episode?
Why do you think this is a plot hole?
Federation was always ruthless
By your image, I assume you mean the episode "One Little Ship." That episode took place midway through Season 6, after the Dominion had evacuated a great deal of territory after the retaking of DS9. It's not unreasonable that the Federation captured stockpiles of White.
The reason question is why any Jem'Hadar would allow themselves to be taken prisoner, and even if done so unwillingly they were would not immediately kill themselves.
one little ship iirc
it's the one where they shrink down a runabout and they fly it around inside the defiant
never watched b5 really, i'll have to check it out
do jem hadar have a suicide gland or whatever like the vorta do though?
i suppose they could have captured white
I don't believe one was every mentioned. But they could snap their necks or something.
It's pretty dumb since like 10 episodes earlier there was literally an episode where the climax was based around the fact that Jem'Hadar would never surrender.
you talking about the one where they were trapped on a planet at the vorta helped them kill the jem hadar?
it is pretty good but the first season is really slow, many don't like it but it sets everything up so you can't really skip it except maybe 3 episodes.
also sometimes it looks trashy and whatever, but the 5 year story that was written before is damn great.
also best sci fi opening goes to B5 season 3 (maybe spoiler):
another one i was thinking of was the self replicating mines
i thought the federation only had cloaking devices made by the romulans or something
how is it they got the cloaking mines? why can nobody but romulands make cloaks? why is it the klingons can't share cloaking technology?
Friendly reminder Picard is traitor to humanity and deserves a phaser shot at maximum level to the balls.
In the episode in which they encounter the Dominion, and the founders recreate a situation in which the Federation lets the Jem'Hadar occupy DS9, Sisko decides to collapse the entrance to the wormhole.
In Sacrifice of Angels, why didn't they do that instead of mining the wormole? I always thought that was dumb.
Also the end of that episode was so fucking dumb. Literally Deus ex Machina. They should have ended it with Terry Farrel sacrificing herself crashing a runabout on DS9's array before it could detonate the mines.
In the episode where Bashir and O'Brien crash on that moon/planet with the jem'hadar trying to rid themselves of the white, Bashir offers to put the other jems in stasis.
If the Federation wanted to keep them prisoner theyd just put them in stasis so they wouldnt need white, or would give them time to make their own white or capture stockpiles of it.
>how is it they got the cloaking mines? why can nobody but romulands make cloaks? why is it the klingons can't share cloaking technology?
I think I can answer that. I'm not entirely sure, but I believe there was some kind of treaty between the Romulans and the Feds which forbid them from developing any kind of cloacking technology.
only episode i really liked was the one about the telepath who was trained as an assassin
>Star trek
what? is this some dollar store Star Wars franchise?
yeah i've just been reading about it
In 2311, with the signing of the Treaty of Algeron, the Federation explicitly agreed not to develop or use cloaking technology. The Bajoran Provisional Government also outlawed cloaking devices, stating that the possession of such a device was highly illegal. (TNG: "The Pegasus"; DS9: "Profit and Loss")
Now the funny p art about that is, they deployed the cloaking mines prior to the romulans entering the war, so they violated the treaty
This. There's an episode in TNG about some rogue officers breaking the treaty by secretly developing a cloaking device. They were stopped but I imagine the Feds in DS9 didn't really give a shit at that points seeing as the Romulans had signed a pact with the Dominion.
>Romulans have cloaking and use it all the time
>Federation shits agree to never use them
Why? What were the feds getting in return if Romulans get to cloak around in style while Feds can't?
>In Sacrifice of Angels, why didn't they do that instead of mining the wormole? I always thought that was dumb.
Because the pussy footed Federation tried to use technobabble solution in season 5 to close the wormhole without damaging it. But the Bashir changeling sabotaged it so instead it made the wormhole stronger so you couldn't just torpedo it.
Can we agree that holodeck episodes on both TNG, and Voyager were absolute shit?
b5 is fucking great. Think of it as nypd blue crossed with mass effect and game of thrones. like the guy said, season 1 is kinda rough, but the overall pay off is worth it.
Imagine Riker having a cloak. Nigger would go and fuck every Romulan and Klingon fine piece of ass in the quadrant when their husbands were away. Might as well call it the 'No Riker in my Wifer' peace accord.
That's not even if he had a cloaking device, just a regular cloak to wear. Imagine that magnificent fucker in a cloak.
He'd be leaving a trail of cum and moist ridges from Bajor to Breen Prime.
although i didnt particularly care for most tng holodeck episodes the moriarty one wasnt too bad
voyager holodeck episodes were unbearable
yeah it really doesn't make any sense
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>DS9 was a rip-off from B5 anyways.
DS9 premiered several months before B5.
The biggest plot hole is that nothing can go faster than the speed of light. It's impossible.
I've been rewatching the plinkett reviews recently, and while a lot of his stuff is just banal nitpicks, he does point out a lot of interesting inconsistencies in the movies. A few examples from FC:
-Worf is beamed from the Defiant in the middle of a major battle without lowering the Enterprise shields
-Picard shouts 'we can't use phasers because the deflector dish is charged with antiprotons and could destroy the whole ship if hit' but half a minute later they use phasers on the disc without hesitation.
-Picard is banned from being involved in the Borg fight due to the Locutus incident when he had previously been put in command of anti-borg fleets in the show.
-the temporal prime directive is utterly ignored
-Data is bulletproof yet the Borg aren't in the holodeck, and he wasn't resistant to that arrow in the Robin Hood episode
-Picard has no qualms killing assimilated crew immediately when at that point tons of people had been cured and rehabilitated across TNG and VOY
Correction - the most extreme Borg curing didn't happen until after '96 when FC was released. I would still agree with the conception of movie-Picard as out of character though
JMS gave the B5 bible to Paramount and after reading it through they were initially interested, but later on said no. Then JMS moved to Warner Bros. and got a deal.
There are some conspiracy theories that Paramount suits decided that hey, why should we buy and build another scifi space show from zero since they have one franchise already! So (according to the tinfoil hat nuts) they took most of the bits from the B5 bible, modified it here and there, added trek stuff and ta-fucking-daa! This all happened very quickly while B5 pilot The Gathering was getting ready and Paramount wanted to get on the air first.
There are a lot of similarities.
>a troubled space station with a number in the name
>in the middle of an important area of space, >there is a wormhole
>there is a jumpgate
>there is a shapeshifting being
>there is a assassin with a shapeshifting tech >war veteran as commanders
>shady bar and shady areas that were uncommon in Trek
And that is the the pilots mind you and not everything listed. Later on there were also a lot of similar plot lines.
DS9 started sooner than B5 tho.
JMS in 1992:
“Were Pillar and Berman aware of B5 at any time? No. Of that I am also confident. The only question in my mind is to what degree did the development people steer them? One scenario is that they did not steer them at ALL…but knowing of B5, and knowing how swell it would be if they could co-opt B5, if Pillar and Berman came up with a space station on their own, they would likely say nothing, even though they might be viewed as being under a moral obligation to say something. Another scenario is that they gave direction to the creative folks without telling them the origin of that direction. There are several ways of dealing with this. One is to launch a major suit with full powers of discovery. The result is that DS9 gets tied up for months, maybe even years in litigation, and maybe the show doesn’t go forward. It also means hundreds of thousands of dollars spent by Warners and me and others pursuing this…not to mention the sense of ill will that will fly back and forth.”
Later on of course JMS often said that hey, there is room for two scifi shows easily and in the third season they did a stunt casting with Majel Barrett guest starring and they even had a B5/DS9/VOY softball game arranged so it was all good in the end.
Also after the third season of B5 Ron Thornton's Foundation Imaging Foundation moved on to Voyager making the CGI.
Every single episode with time travel in it.
MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND.
Exhibit 1:
Janeway and some of the crew go to a planet and find out a major explosion killed every living being on it only a day ago.
They get sucked into a rift and are now a few hours before the explosion.
B'Eleana tries to save them, CAPTAIN REALIZES THE ATTEMPT TO SAVE THEM ACTUALLY LEADS TO THE EXPLOSION, STOPS THE ATTEMPT.
BOOM, everything's back to normal, they never went to the planet because there was nothing to investigate, etc.
That's an instance of when they DIDN'T fuck up.
Now comes an example of when they DID.
Exhibit 2:
Temporal disruption, ship from 29th century tries to destroy voyager because it's convinced that Voyager will cause the entire solar system to explode.
The attack causes both the 29th century ship and Voyager to land in 90's LA, California.
29th century ship's captain finds out it wasn't Voyager that caused the big explosion, but his own ship. It's now in the hands of a big company CEO who doesn't know how to calibrate the settings on it, which will cause the explosion in his time.
JANEWAY SAVES THE DAY, SHIP IS NOT GOING TO JUMP BACK TO ITS OWN TIME ANYMORE. EVERYONE STILL REMEMBERS EVERYTHING THEY DID. 29th CENTURY SHIP APPEARS AND ASKS VOYAGER TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH THE TIME RIFT IT JUST CREATED TO GET BACK TO THE 24th CENTURY.
What the FUCK.
IF THE FUCKING SHIP DIDN'T CAUSE THE EXPLOSION IN THE 29th CENTURY, ITS CAPTAIN WOULDN'T HAVE TRIED TO DESTROY VOYAGER, WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BONE BACK TO THE 20th CENTURY, WHICH MEANS THE CEO WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD THE SHIP, WHICH MEANS THE EXPLOSION STILL WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
THERE IS NOTHING PARADOXICAL ABOUT THIS. IT'S SIMPLE LOGIC. WHO FUCKING WROTE THAT SHIT?
I unironically love holodeck episodes. You're a pleb user
In "Journey to Babel" Spocks mother slaps him and storms out and the door opens automatically. But when Spock walked up to the door it stayed closed and he put his hand on it. Then I realized he was trying to mind-meld with the door to figure out why it wouldn't open for him.
We never see Q take Riker's powers away from him. Riker is essentially Q - a God.
So why does he never use his god powers? Because his boss told him not to?
The airing point doesn't matter. Paramount received the full bible years earlier and made their decision to go the easier route. Later on a shared network deal complicated the plot behind the scenes.
Steven Hopstaken wrote years later:
"I was working at Warner Bros. in the publicity department when Warner Bros. and Paramount were preparing to launch a joint [emphasis mine] network. Warner Bros. already decided to buy Babylon 5 for their adhoc PTEN network (a group of independent stations that agreed to show Warner Bros. shows in prime time.)
Paramount and Warner Bros. both agreed that Deepspace 9 would be the show that would launch the new network and there wouldn’t be room for two “space” shows on the network. I was told they purposely took what they liked from the B5 script and put it in the DS9 script. In fact, there was talk of leaving the B5 script in tact and just setting it the Star Trek universe. I had to keep rewriting press release drafts while they were trying to make the final decision.
But then, suddenly, Paramount decided to launch a new network on their own and screwed Warner Bros. over. That sent Warner Bros. scrambling to create their own network; grabbing up any station not already committed to Paramount and getting WGN to show the WB network on cable.
So Paramount definitely knew about the Babylon 5 script, I don’t know about the DS9 show runners, but I find it hard to believe they didn’t know."
even the gay victorian british town ones?
This is a star trek thread, not a tiny little BABYlon 5 thread. Leave.
But once again, I don't really care about these feuds. I just know them. I agree with JMS as should everyone that there was and is room for plenty of space related scifi shows - even space station ones. And in the end DS9 and B5 were quite different beasts despite the initial and continued similarities. I personally never liked Trek, I found it quite boring and too goody two shoes, but that's just my personal taste mind you! I do understand it's significance in history and good for everyone who loves Trek. Good for everyone who loves B5.
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You are thinking about "Pegasus". They built a device that lets them phase into another reality I think and then phase back. That is far superior to a cloak since they can travel through stuff
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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
Lets be realists here for a moment
- the shields can be dropped for a few seconds to beam a critical command officer on board
- the could have discharged or annihilate them
- that was silly
- dire situations require extreme measures
- not bulletproof, bullet damage resistent
- you cure borg when you have full control of the situation, not during the battle. Then it's kill or get assimilated.
Not reality, dimension or energy plane.
i may or may not have noticed some inconsistencies involving the holodeck.
>That episode when Bashir uses the holodeck to experience the Roman era
I really didn't understand the moral of the episode, it was actually quite brutal for a startrek episode.
Friendly reminder that Dukat sexual organs did nothing wrong
>uhuras brain gets completely deleted, wiped the fuck out
>they have to teach her talking, reading and absolutely everything again
>doesnt get resolved, episode ends with "uhura is almsot back to college level"
>tfw the real uhura is dead and its a completely new character living in her body based on other peoples perception of uhura
i really wish there was an official star trek map
i have so many questions about the geography of the galaxy
Daily Reminder that the Steven Hopstaken story has been debunked for YEARS.
According to Stevie Hopstaken's resume, he didn't join Warner Bros. until AFTER Babylon 5 and Deep Space Nine had both gone on the air (source: steve-hopstaken.com).
Either Steven Hopstaken has a poor memory or he's a liar.
As for the bad blood between Paramount and Warner Bros., the Star Trek in question would be Voyager (developed as a network show in '93-'94 for a '95 release) as opposed to Deep Space Nine (developed as a syndicated show in '91-'92 for a '93 release). Voyager BTFO?
So either this Anonymous poster keeps "forgetting" that they're posting debunked material, or they're willfully lying to you.
Also,
>being a Drazi
>not appreciating both shows
Dumb stupid Drazi.
especially the gay victorian british town ones.
>Cloaks are only theoretical in Amok time
>Archer encountered cloaks multiple times
Star Trek 2009 - red matter, Vulcan, Into Fartness - everything.
>Babylon 5 looks like the 5 in the logo when seen from the side
Can we agree Lal should have been kept around until the end of the season then have her "die"?
The episode was too predictable, it's a great episode, but it should have been a multi-episode B-story arc.
Why did the crew have to go back with the C?
Either way the Klingons were going to find wreckage of the Enterprise destroyed by Romulans.
What do you think they were getting? An end to the brutal war. They made a concession to achieve peace.
Why Voyager didn't just put everyone in stasis and put the ship on minimum power aside from the pods and engines while occasionally waking up engineers for safety checks I will never understand.
The Feds and Roms modified the treaty so that the Defiant could have a Rom cloaking device.
Maybe they included a shtf wormhole clause, but then Rom (character) came up with the mine plan at the last minute on the fly.
Just say Section 31 did it because fuck xenos.
He uses it to score galactic pussy.
But no ships travel faster than light in Star Trek. The warp drive is a form of an Alcubierre drive, which contracts space in front of you and expands in behind you, allowing one to move faster than light without traveling faster than light.
Klingons vs Nazis and Beowolf were both kino.
>t. 7th grade physics
Riker can fuck an alien chick faster than the speed of light.
I abused the shit of that ability in Star Trek Armada. My opponents always thought I was shit and couldn't even build a fleet until suddenly dozens and dozens of my ships decloaked around their starbase and shipyards. They thought the asteroid barriers would protect them.
My, what a charming negress.
Because than there wouldn't be a show dumbass.
Because we needed to find out that Tasha encountered Romulan rape gangs.
>Logical inconsistencies are fine because dude tv lmao
Go back to watching transformers kid, adults are talking.
It only refers to vessels.
They use cloaking and holograms on objects, when studying other races undetected they hide entire bases.
Tasha probably encountered fucking Risian rape gangs. Jesus Christ, was she a rape magnet or something?
>Dukat accompanies and escorts Sisko and his team dressed as Klingons to expose Gowron as a changeling
>Dukat then KNOWS the reason his race has been attacked throughout the last year because of the Klingons who have been manipulated by Founders and clearly cannot be trusted
>Dukat betrays everyone a month later anyway for that Dominion dick
Dukat was a poorly written moron.
In Encounter at Farpoint with the space jellyfish changelings, why did everyone keep calling the building on the planet a starbase?
Oh shut the fuck up you condescending piece of shit. Shouldn't you be jerking off to a reddit letter media video?
That's a very strange concession to make that puts the federation at a big disadvantage.
>build a cloaked "scientific" base
>add propulsion engines
>lel its for fucking studying alien weirdos for Riker to shlick, fuck off Beatlemania
>be Dukat
>pretend to do nothing wrong
>do everything wrong
>get rekt in every imaginable way by Garak
>and then Sisko
>and then Weyoun
>and then and then Drinking Damar
>and then by Satan
>die
Wow, you really are an antagonistic know nothing know it all faggot.
Go back to crying on reddit and stop shitting up our threads.
>tfw the real uhura is dead and its a completely new character living in her body based on other peoples perception of uhura
Me on this post
Would you rather Kira or Intendant Kira lads?
The Federation are the goody goodies and will accept a disadvantage for peace.
Especially so when you consider that the Federation would win in an all out confrontation with the Romulans, now add the fact that their engineers are wizards and Sloan is doing his puppet master thing in the background then it's not surprising that they accepted the terms.
The Federatio literally had the Romulan Bill Wilson to work for them and then had some Lance Henriksen looking fag assassinated by a tailor to further their goals. It's safe to say they aren't quite the immaculate space EU they pretend to be.
Kira.
Intendant Kira would cut my dick off just to see how far the pretty red blood would spurt.
That' hot as fuck mang.
>wearing fetish gear even when conducting official business
What a fox.
The Klingons had cloaked mine technology too, they got caught setting up a minefield outside Bajoran territory at one point.
And you shouldn't forget that it was Rom who invented the mines, he knew about cloaking technology too because he installed one in Mirror!Worf's ship on his own. Probably from doing the same thing before when Quark sold cloaking tech (like the time his Cardassian ex-girlfriend showed up).
>-Data is bulletproof yet the Borg aren't in the holodeck, and he wasn't resistant to that arrow in the Robin Hood episode
>- not bulletproof, bullet damage resistent
That might make sense actually. Kevlar is bulletproof but a bow an arrow will go straight through it, Data's skin could respond similarly to make him resilient but not impossible to fix because scalpels and cutting tools wouldn't work either.
>That episode where O'Brien finally convinces Jewls to let him be the good guy for once and says he knows just the historical battle he wants to re-enact
>implying "prison camp" wasn't just code for beaming them into decoherent energy
Transporters really solve a lot of problems that ovens would have