In my 20 years of football, I've never seen a more complete player

In my 20 years of football, I've never seen a more complete player.

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Knew this would be an american before I clicked on the thread. Sage

Name a better player please

Not enough Homonaldo dicksucking for you, Muhammad Larssön?

>football
thats a divegrass player pal

maybe he's an immigrant Cletus, did you ever think of that?

>football
t. mexican
Kek

so hes an immigrant who cant integrate. got it

It's a ball and you play it with your feet so foot + ball = football. Why's that so hard to understand?

cuz we're in america. whys that so hard to understand?

No one asked for your worthless subhuman trailer trash flyover shithole opinion, Rufus

Im Nigerian. Good to know you have no arguement thoo

So Nigerians in the US can't be worthless subhuman flyover trailer trash named Rufus?

Das rayciss

a nigerian named rufus

you forgot to add
>messi on paul scholes

>t. spic

>the most complete
>the best
these are different things

In my 46 years I haven't seen a better player than Messi
The shitskins can stay triggered

So what player in the last 20 years is more complete than Messi? Don't say Tsu

who are you quoting?

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tsu

is this season the messi redemption arc?

This is basically what I tell people. The #1 player I want to watch play, no matter who else is playing, is Messi. The most entertaining by far. And at the end of the day isn't that what it's all about?

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"Complete" ?

Next you're gonna say Beckham is the second most "complete" player

fpbp

>American's have the best access to media and the most comprehensive research tools in the world
>This makes them less reliable than third worlders who's best source of information is asking the decapitated heads left on the curb

It's really lame when Americans and us get these hostile responses. Many of us, basically everyone I knew, played soccer growing up and into adolescence. We can watch all the same games the Europeans get.

Who would you rather talk to, an American who's been watching for 20 years or a Euro who's been watching for 5 years? Flags were the worst thing to ever happen to this stupid board. People think just because they were born in a certain country they are special.

CHI

Americans run this website, just like in politics we will put our nose in your business

>Complete
>Has never performed a sliding tackle
>Has never defended a corner
>Has never put in a cross
>Has never taken a throw in

Kek, mate, Slippy is a more complete player. Messi is the GOAT bar none, but he's as complete as the homeric epics.

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A euro who has been watching for 5 years, without question.

Yes. Ends up with him winning the quintble (the La Liga Santander title, Copa del Rey, UEFA Champions League, FIFA World Cup and final Balloon d'Or)

>t. Antonio Fabricio

close

Please mention a player as complete as Messi active in the last decade.

Pogba.
Messi can't defend.

Pogba isn't really good at anything. He's jackshit of all trades, master of none

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>AMERICANS DON'T KNOW SHIT
>Pogba is a a more complete player than Messi
Messi is better at passing, dribbling, shooting and off the ball movement by far.

Read Hup Holland Hup gets it.
Many players are more complete than Messi but not many are even close to his level.

>complete
perro casemiro

Messi is the goat and ronaldo the second goat
All the others great players weren't as constant
In those times football players even had fat bellys I mean

Being a 'complete' player means you can perform every most important skill at a high level.

Messi is the best at dribbling and shooting, top tier at: passing, vision, off the ball and crossing, but he does miss good heading and defending skills

Ergo, he's not what you'd call a 'complete' player

yeah i don't know why, they all post the same stuff

>i am 20 years old and i love football all my life, i have fond memories of the Old School Serie A.

>i am a Barcelona fan and i support Catalan Independence

>Messi is the goat
si
>ronaldo the second goat
nonononononononononononope

no other forward has been as constant
ronaldo fat never scored as much and for all those years
most goat people from the past had like 4 good years
ronaldo and messi literally the whole career

he's a complete offensive player. he would be a good defender as well if his role involved defending.

ronaldo on the other hand can pretty much only finish, a true specialist and far from a complete footballer. you could call him a complete finisher though.

>a forward is not complete cause he doesn't defense
lel

That would make him a complete forward. Still not a complete player.

He wouldn't. He may have been a somewhat good left full back, but that's it. And what's holding him down mostly his is aereal ability. Can't reach the ball against good 190 cm defenders

>a forward is not complete if he doesn't stand a chance at heading a cross against tall defenders
>in modern football fowards also need to have some basic defending skills when the team does not have possession of the ball

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so who is a more complete player? le beckenbauer?

>can't tackle
>can't head the ball
>can't play in goal
>complete player

>Pele is the goat
>No, Cruyff is
>Maradona hands down
>None of them were you see?
>They were bad goalkeepers
go fuck yourselves with an elephant husk

>Only important header he scored, he's the only one that jumped
Show me some goal that have him actually have an aereal challenge, spaniard

One complete player was prime Kakà, pre-pubalgia. Fast, could win aereal challenges, top tier crossing, vision, passing, shooting, could use his weak foot and had excellent dribbling and technique.

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>rating kaka over messi
I've seen all

holy kek that's just how they write

>knowing this much about reddit to parody it

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>He literally couldn't keep up with him

But seriously: Messi is rightfully the GOAT (or arguably so at least) but still that doesn't make him "complete"

Complete doesn't equal Best. Simple as that

On a side note: unless you begun watching football 6/7 years ago, you'd know that the guy was the last Ballon d'Or before the Cr7/Messi era. He was truly a complete player. And for one/two years, he was the best. Then came the pubalgia, and the rise of cristiano and messi

Every Mexican I've ever known supports halal and sucks ronaldo's dick

Hispanic guy here of Mexican ancestry (grandparents were Mexican). I support Barca since the Maradona days and Messi is the best player I've ever seen.

he's scored a few headers even though Barcelona doesn't aim to get high crosses into the box. why? because timing beats speed, precision beats power.

it's such a fucking marginal thing in football to head the ball, it's ridiculous bringing it up, and claiming kaka was more complete because of it. messi can playmake, circulate the ball correctly, dribble and finish, 4 big areas with the ball.

kaka was very onedimensional, he had speed and good functional technique, but could never do what pirlo did.

all in all, i'd expect your posts from england.

prime kakà was a beauty, A BEAUTY!

Well, it's not that marginal. Had it been so, we would have had lots of ~160 cm tall centre backs.

While I agree that Barca is not a team that gets many high crosses looking for a header, the point is that Messi, out of all outstanding strikers, is not one you'd rely on for a header. And with this skill being not so marginal, yeah, he's not the definition of complete.

Kaka was arguably one dimensional but then again, he was so efficient he didn't need to perform in some other way.

Comparing his vision/passing to Pirlo's is something I don't think would lead to anywhere, as they are very different in how they interpret the game (not taking in consideration their positions)

messi is uniquely complete as he can both play as pirlo, iniesta, robben and as a striker. players mostly prefer to either seek the through ball, to circulate the ball, to dribble, or to finish, maybe two of the four. Messi is goat in all four and is therefore a complete offensive player.

for a central defender you'd need better heading to be complete, but i called messi a complete attacking player, not a complete central defender. for an attacking player his heading is good, but he doesn't get to show it as much as it's often a better alternative to put the crosses on his feet. either way, for an offensive player heading isn't much worth talking about. messi is probably a better target for crosses than many of the goat headers, he finds the right space and finish with his feet instead.

both kaka and ronaldo have decently well spread "attributes" in a computer game, but they really only offer a big threat with the face towards the goal and with a lot of space. Messi can play in all directions, all over the pitch, in small and large spaces

Heading is important to defenders because they oppose offensive players when playing, don't you agree?

The four 'playing styles' you mentiontioned, IMO, are not the only ones avialable for an offensive player, but that's not the point.

OP was pointing messi as a 'complete player'. Messi is the best, yet, he's not complete. While scouting a player, IRL, along with performances, youngsters are based on their height (many ask for the parents height to calculate how tall a kid can grow) and their weight, max speed and acceleration.

Professional Football is a sport, not only a game. Footballers are also athletes.

Messi has outstanding technique, dribbling, shooting, vision. He also plays the ball with his teammates. He's got outstanding stamina and speed. He is capable of playing 90 minutes of every martch of the season, something not every player is capable of.

But his abilites are not balanced 'game-like' as you said.

A team of 11 Alaba's would beat a team of eleven Messi

what about 11 of pic related?

most of the situations with the ball in the air the defender is in a stronger position, they are favourites to win these situations even if they are 10cm shorter than their attacker. and even if the attacker wins they rarely have good options. therefore the high ball is rarely the best option.

what playing style would you want to add?

they should maybe look to make sure that the players don't grow very tall then ;) more goat contenders 190 and i want to say even then >180
it's a very shortsighted approach, and i've heard it since zidane grew to be a star, that from now on, all players need to be super physical, tall and so on. it's bullshit, on all levels it's about positions, timing, vision and so on, and the most important physical attributes are agility and of course the ability to keep a high tempo. strength and size is almost irrelevant.

Complete? Utter nonsense. How's his heading? His defending? Just about any midfielder is more "complete" than Messi.

It's a rare case when a defender is 10 cm shorter than a striker, and if that's the case, the striker has the advantage (be it a set piece or during play).

Cruyff was 180 cm, Platini 177, Van Basten 188, Weah 184, Papin 177, Klinsmann 181, Dinho 182 and the list goes on. Size and Strength are important, as those qualities help how many challenges you can win.

There is no point in having god-like technique/vision/passing if you can't play for even 30 minutes or overcome a defender, or not fall if he challenges you on the ground or the air. That's the reason why many 5-a-side footballers don't make it to the 11 players side

not in the usual situations like the long ball, where the angle gives the defender a big advantage. i'd bet even mascherano wins most aerial duels. most crosses isn't a case of the guy with better jumping reach winning, but the one reaching the area where the ball lands at the right time with the right speed. it's more about timing. sure height is an advantage in the air but even there it isn't the deciding factor, and it's a small portion of the game where there is a challenge for the ball in the air.

no players over 190 there i see. 180 was a very generous cut from me, as even that is shorter than the average white male. Of those you got there it's only Van Basten and Weah that are taller than average, so to seek for length seems strange.

>The Ronaldo homolust coming from this flag

why is Sweden so invested in this discussion?

Kane is better desu