>your oldest friend, mentor and father figure, who has trained you and gone on adventures with you for years tells you palpatine is evil
>do nothing
>some dipshit teen you've known for all of 3 years tells you palpatine is evil
>throw him in a pit
Why did he do this?
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Anakin realized he made a mistake. He just didn't have the opportunity to correct it until Luke came along.
And in Anakin's defense, I can understand why he thought the Jedi were evil
>steal infants from their parents
>dude we love peace but we're going to command a slave army lol
>if a democratically elected leader disagrees with us, we'll assassinate him
>if a democratically elected leader disagrees with us, we'll assassinate him
in all fairness, he was well along in the process of destroying the democracy in order to become a dictator
>some dipshit teen you've known for all of 3 years tells you palpatine is evil
>throw him in a pit
Jesus Christ, nobody can be this goddamn fucking stupid. You're really stretching it here, boy. Like, a singularity of dumb. What the fuck were your parents thinking?
True, but still, it's not the Jedi way. The Jedi are so dogmatic, so extreme, they have driven Anakin to the brink of insanity by forcing him to keep his marriage a secret, not allowing him to save his mother, making him fear for his own future and that of his child, but THIS is where they compromise? Some old man from a rival faction making some unscrupulous political moves?
Jedi were the guardians of the republic for generations and the ones put in charge of the army, it was their duty to stop the Sith Lord who started the war.
>it's not the Jedi way
How is opposing evil not the Jedi way?
>they have driven Anakin to the brink of insanity
Mostly he did it to himself.
>forcing him to keep his marriage a secret
It's not even clear what the penalties would be if the marriage became public. I would imagine he could simply exit the Order and spend more time with his wife.
>not allowing him to save his mother
I don't remember the chain of events too well, but I don't think anyone actually stopped him from going back to Tatooine.
>making him fear for his own future and that of his child
That was the midicholorians, the Jedi did not induce dreams into his mind.
>Some old man from a rival faction making some unscrupulous political moves?
A traitor to the Republic, a mastermind of a galactic war that took millions of lives.
But that's exactly what happens.
Actually what happened was Palpatine tried to kill his son.
No, you're a fucking idiot. Vader didn't need anyone to tell him sheev was evil at that point, you goddamn retard.
Palpatine was influencing Anakin with those dreams dummy.
Hes a fucking universalist though...
Don't forget
>I'm afraid of losing a loved one master Yoda
>LOL fag.
Who was the dipshit teen?
>How is opposing evil not the Jedi way?
Murdering an unarmed prisoner is not the Jedi way. You put him on trial, you carefully consider your options, you don't allow anger/fear to push you to do something stupid and rash.
>It's not even clear what the penalties would be if the marriage became public. I would imagine he could simply exit the Order and spend more time with his wife.
I agree with you. Anakin, objectively, would have had a much happier life if he had simply voluntarily left the Jedi at any point during the Clone Wars. But he didn't understand that, the Jedi were all he knew.
>I don't remember the chain of events too well, but I don't think anyone actually stopped him from going back to Tatooine.
It's implied, because Anakin was clearly obsessed with saving his mother but never went back to free her. The only reason he would have not freed her is if he wasn't allowed to. Remember, he didn't know that she was already freed by somebody else until he returned to Tatooine.
>That was the midicholorians, the Jedi did not induce dreams into his mind.
The Jedi did create a scenario where he couldn't reveal his children to the public.
>A traitor to the Republic, a mastermind of a galactic war that took millions of lives.
There wasn't any proof of that by that that point. Sheev knew the dark side, yes. But that doesn't automatically make him leader of the Separatists. The galaxy is a big place. If I found out tomorrow that Barack Obama was a Muslim, my first thought wouldn't be "You're the leader of ISIS!".
>>if a democratically elected leader disagrees with us, we'll assassinate him
The plan wasn't to assimilate him but to arrest him and bring him to trial. And it wasn't because he was a Sith Lord but because he was the Sith Lord they were looking for, they knew a Sith Lord other than Dooku was behind all the clone war shenanigans. Anakin literally tells Windu that Palpatine is the Sith Lord they're looking for.
You know the Turkish military was also tasked with protecting their democratic government from theocracy.
Did George Lucas predict the coup in Turkey?
>unarmed prisoner
he was not yet a prisoner, and considering the lightning he shot out of his fingers, he was certainly well armed
>The only reason he would have not freed her is if he wasn't allowed to
As with most things, I think this was mostly in his head.
>The Jedi did create a scenario where he couldn't reveal his children to the public.
He did not have any children at the time he was dreaming.
>There wasn't any proof of that by that that point. Sheev knew the dark side, yes. But that doesn't automatically make him leader of the Separatists.
Considering that there are only supposed to be 2 Sith lords at any given time, the analogy to Muslims isn't a fit one.
True, but Yoda simply didn't understand the situation. Think about it from Yoda's perspective.
>Young Skywalker fears losing someone close to him
>The only person truly close to him is Obi-Wan
>Ok then, I'll just regurgitate Jedi dogma, surely Obi-Wan himself will say the same thing when he asks him about it
If Yoda had known that Anakin was banging the hottest politician in the galaxy on the downlow, then naturally his advice would have been different.
By the way, how the HELL did nobody in the Jedi Order realize what was going on? Anakin was sneaking out of the Jedi Temple every single night. Obi-Wan obviously knew the whole time, but how did none of the other Jedi figure it out, especially since Anakin was some kind of minor celebrity/semi-Messianic figure who the Jedi were monitoring very closely and constantly discussing?
Nobody noticed "hey, Anakin keeps flying to Padme's apartment every night then coming back in the morning"?
>he was not yet a prisoner, and considering the lightning he shot out of his fingers, he was certainly well armed
The most powerful Jedi in the galaxy had a lightsaber at Palpatine's throat. The second-most powerful Jedi in the galaxy was right there next to him, to back him up. It was over.
>As with most things, I think this was mostly in his head.
I find this very hard to believe. Anakin, the headstrong, impulsive, arrogant Jedi with the ultimate "I'm the hero" complex and serious mommy issues, never tried to rescue his mother? That's unlikely.
>He did not have any children at the time he was dreaming.
His unborn child. Come on, you know what I meant. Parents often start thinking of the fetus as their child very early in pregnancies, this is why miscarriages can be so traumatic and why abortion is such a big issue.
>Considering that there are only supposed to be 2 Sith lords at any given time, the analogy to Muslims isn't a fit one.
But canon non-movie material disproves this, doesn't it? There were plenty of dark side followers running around. Also, the Jedi knew that a Sith Lord was controlling the Separatists, but who is to say that the Sith Lord wasn't Count Dooku? As far as Anakin knows and understands, Palpatine is a wise, kind old man who has dabbled in a religion strictly forbidden by the Jedi Order. This is enough to get out brainwashed young monk to pull a lightsaber on him, but not enough to make Anakin think "ok, he's controlling the Separatists".
There simply isn't any proof. By the way, in the EU books (which might be non-canon now), the Jedi had proof that there was another Sith Lord, and that he was somebody high up in the Republic. But guess what? They never shared this information with Anakin, because they didn't trust him. It's beautifully ironic, they sealed their own fate by refusing to have faith in him. Palpatine, on the other hand, had total faith in Anakin, and it paid off.
He should have stayed, waiting for the sith,
One day that merchant is gone
>but how did none of the other Jedi figure it out, especially since Anakin was some kind of minor celebrity/semi-Messianic figure who the Jedi were monitoring very closely and constantly discussing?
This is part of the problem with Lucas's writing. Anakin feels that he is dismissed as just a slightly talented Jedi Knight, a powerful grunt, not truly given the respect he deserves, but at the same time the audience knows that the Jedi Council takes him very seriously and believes that he is the key to everything. I'm not sure how the two can be reconciled.
We have two options:
1. The Jedi kept this secret from Anakin.
2. Lucas is a fucking hack.
I don't understand. Could you rephrase your post?
>The plan wasn't to assimilate him but to arrest him and bring him to trial.
"He controls the senate and the courts! He's too dangerous to be left alive!"
>The plan wasn't to assimilate him but to arrest him and bring him to trial.
No it wasn't. Remember the lines from the movie.
I AM GOING TO END THIS. ONCE AND FOR ALL!
You can't, he must stand trial.
He has control of the Senate and the Courts. He's too dangerous to be left alive.
It's not the Jedi way. He must live!
*raises lightsaber*
I need him
*swings down*
NO! *activates lightsaber*
*blue plasma cuts through dindu flesh*
that's after they tried to arrest him and he slaughtered everyone but Windu
>Murdering an unarmed prisoner is not the Jedi wa
The tried to arrest him and only used force (heh) when he resisted and pretty much revealed himself as member of ((objective evil in SW universe)).
>some kind of minor celebrity
The dude was General Patton, if Patton literally singlehandedly won the war.
In every sense.
""In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you're under arrest, Chancellor."
That was the plan. Everything else was not the plan.
They pulled lightsabers on him first. If FBI agents walked into the home of the USA President and pointed guns at him, he would be very justified in taking out his own gun* and firing. But either way, by the end of his fight, he was unarmed. The Jedi don't kill unarmed prisoners, it isn't right and it's not their way. Anakin is very clear about this at the beginning of the movie, when he has to be goaded by Palpatine into killing Dooku.
*I assume all Americans carry them, sorry if I offend anyone
Well, this is only the case if we're talking about the EU. You're right, Anakin and Obi-Wan were basically demigods if we follow the story of the Clone Wars shows and the EU books. The problem is that this clashes horribly with the fact that Luke grows up believing that Anakin Skywalker was a random freighter pilot, and has never even heard of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Daily reminder that, according to Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005), Darth Vader, the sith lord who slaughtered countless people for almost two decades was TRICKED into being evil.
>it's a "I will try to prove that the guy that is the evil mastermind in all canon isn't actually evil" episode
>""In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you're under arrest, Chancellor."
>That was the plan. Everything else was not the plan.
Yeah, but you miss the part when they all activate their weapons....if a bunch of religious fanatics roll into my house, tell me I'm under arrest, then point their weapons at me, I'm going to fear for my life.
And either way, this is about how Anakin sees things. When he walks into Palpatine's office, he sees his mentor, his friend, hell, the man who is for all intents and purposes his father, cowering in fear in front of the most powerful Jedi.
That was always the case. Darth Vader was always a hero who was seduced and fooled into becoming an evil man. He certainly had evil tendencies all along, but it took someone else to manipulate him into letting those take over.
Lol. I'm not saying that Palpatine isn't evil. I'm saying that Anakin doesn't see things this way.
underrated post
>If FBI agents walked into the home of the USA President and pointed guns at him, he would be very justified in taking out his own gun* and firing
no
Palpatine was confirmed to be a dangerous individual unparalleled with anything in our world. His practices literally went against the metaphysical good of the SW universe. Police are allowed to initiate arrest at gun point if they believe the subject will prove dangerous otherwise.
>by the end of his fight, he was unarmed
A force user is never unarmed and he sure as hell proved it when he lighting shot Windu out of the window.
>bunch of religious fanatics
Guardians of Peace and Justice for thousand generations
Generals of the Clone Army fighting against the Separatists and tasked with ending the war
etc.
The implications was that the Empire acted as an unifier that ensured peace but was tyrannical. If they wanted to tell a story about Vader getting seduced by the dark side for power they should have went with the story of someone living in a chaotic galaxy who after losing everything thought the only way to ensure peace was forsaking his humanity.
Instead we got the story of a guy living in a relatively ok galaxy but had really shitty luck and literally fell for a self-fulfilling prophetic dream.
>join the darkside to save your loved ones
>choke her the next time you meet her
Audible kek
>Well, this is only the case if we're talking about the EU. You're right, Anakin and Obi-Wan were basically demigods if we follow the story of the Clone Wars shows and the EU books. The problem is that this clashes horribly with the fact that Luke grows up believing that Anakin Skywalker was a random freighter pilot, and has never even heard of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
You have to remember that Luke grew up on Tatooine and a moisture farmer wouldn't notice much change from a restructuring of galactic government. Anakin and Obi-wan probably didn't get mentioned by the Imperial Media much after the "Jedi Treason", and its completely believable that a teenager could not know the name of a couple of traitors from a war that was over before he was born
she was into breathplay
he's not a father figure, he was a brother. And an overbearing weaker one at that, which is why he failed. Anakin needed quigon.
Oh my good god. Who is that and how can I make her sire my children?
>The tried to arrest him and only used force
They pretty much enter the room wielding their swords wanting to kill him
Pretty sure she's a lesbian
I mean I did say make her.
>The problem is that this clashes horribly with the fact that Luke grows up believing that Anakin Skywalker was a random freighter pilot, and has never even heard of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I alwyas just assumed this was due to imperial propaganda and censorship.
Same reason why people don't believe in the Force (Han Solo) a mera 20years after the clone wars.
In my head canon I alwyas imagined that it was palpatine fucking with the galaxys populations memories or whatever through the dark side
>tells you palpatine is evil
Evil is subjective. From his point of view the Jedi were evil
he thought his wife literally brought his best friend there to kill him.
I'd be uspet to
>>known for all of 3 years
13, OP. 13.
So Luke was 32 at the end of RotJ?
>Nobody noticed "hey, Anakin keeps flying to Padme's apartment every night then coming back in the morning"?
For a couple who aren't supposed to be hiding their marriage, Anakin and Padme sure are fond of having makeout sessions in busy government buildings full of people of security cameras and having sexy talk on an open balcony where everyone from Shia Leboeuf with his binoculars to the passing motorist on his way to work could see them.
Probably used self-bias to internally censor it. The Jedi are prone to making logical facilities and go all "from a certain point of view" to preserve their position.
>sees Anakin stroking Padme's pregnant belly lovingly and the two kissing passionately through binoculars
>Gets HD camera with long range zooming lens with thermal mode
>Anakin and Padme leave the balcony and go into their bedroom
>Switch to thermal mode
>Proceed to record Anakin fucking Padme's brains
>Sell footage online on 4clips and make a lot of credits
>Star Wars equivalent of TMZ gets ahold of it
>Anakin is booted out of the Jedi Order and Padme's political career is in ruins
>why did he do this?
bad writing.
Luke
>and having sexy talk on an open balcony where everyone from Shia Leboeuf with his binoculars to the passing motorist on his way to work could see them.
well to be fair palpatine and Mace windu literally destroyed a window and had quite the lightshow if you know what I mean and nobody noticed either.
Would be fun if the SW universe actually had social media because everyone would have been uploading videos of the chancelor shooting lightning out of his hands
youtube.com
>Takes selfie in front of the burning Jedi Temple even as you can still hear the screams of younglings being murdered in their beds by the 501st Legion.
>Geonosian husband and wife with their two kids record the Battle of the Arena and it becomes the number one hit on Youtube
man imagine being Anakin here and having to fight with your colossal boner caused by several hours watching Hershlag tied and showing her belly
just imagine being there and having to kill separatist fucking shits when all you want bury your tongue deep inside her navel
Makes you really think
How come there aren't thousands of holovids and interviews with force users displaying their powers?
No wonder Han solo does not believe in the force
>tfw no pornstars with that type of body
that films pretty good
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the Anal Cannon? The Anal Cannon is loaded when a funnel is placed into an asshole, and the 2nd whore pukes into it. After the ass is filled with puke, a cock then fucks it until the pressure is all built up. After the Asshole has been fucked hard enough, the cock is pulled out and the Anal cannon explodes! To top it all off, ass to mouth occurs, with both ladies licking off the fresh mix of vomit and ass for the ultimate anal dessert! They were good friends.
She goes by "jumpsuited monster" on tumblr, does a lot of cosplay with brown wigs but sometimes she posts pics with her qt pixie cut
She's bisexual, like most women.
>like most women.
You didn't see that big news story like a year ago? Apparently the vast majority of women are bi, it was based on some Oxford study or something.
Ironic, isn't it.
Okay, listen up faggots.
There are a lot of interesting opinions in this thread regarding the intricacies of the plot to Revenge of the Sith.
All your opinions are shit because they are not my opinions.
I always see this notion that Palpatine got lucky or just rolled the dice in a lot of situations. You have to understand that that Sheev can actually see the future. He knew how it all was going to happen. He gave Anakin the vision of Padme dying.
There you go, all your questions and problems concerning coincidences have been resolved.
Anakin loved Obi-Wan. However, a man's family always comes first. He's got a pregnant wife who he thinks is going to die. In his vision he sees Obi-Wan standing over Padme's medical bed. He also finds out that Obi-Wan came to her apartment to warn her that Anakin had turned to the dark side. Basically, he started to believe that Obi-Wan was possibly the reason that she was dying in the visions. He thought she was being turned against him. Then when he sees Obi-Wan emerge out of Padme's shuttle on Mustafar, anything they had was out the window. He also believed Sheev was the only way to save her and knew Obi-Wan would get in the way.
>In his vision he sees Obi-Wan standing over Padme's medical bed. He also finds out that Obi-Wan came to her apartment to warn her that Anakin had turned to the dark side.
The story telling was so clumsy I never even noticed that.
Padme should have cucked Anakin with Obi, desu.
Just like Sharon Stone cucked De Niro with Joe Pesci in Casino.
Just think about it.
I missed most of it too. Went back and watched it paying close attention through all scenes.
>"from a certain point of view" to preserve their position.
Nah, that's just Obi Wan. Once you become a master of the High Ground the path to A Certain Point of View becomes much clearer and more inline with the mysterious nature of The Force.
As you can see, I have gotten doubles. From a certain point of view.
Breeding disposable people with shortened lifetimes to fight your wars is one of the most immoral things I can think off...
impressive
>1. The Jedi kept this secret from Anakin.
This isn't particularly implausible. He was already an arrogant teenager with a god-complex, telling him further how important he was would only exacerbate it.
Was this guy always drunk, or what?
>the Jedi are so stupid they rush head first into a battle with no plans of escape to save 3 people while sustaining multiple causalities themselves
>steal infants
Where are you getting this from. Its voluntary.
>love peace but command an army
Not like the jedi started the war and it is the senate's decision, maybe he should be more upset at palpatine
>well assassinate him
Palpatine was behind a war that engulfed the galaxy to gain power and in doing so led to the death of many of anakins friends. Also the jedi came to take him to trial initially.
Obi wan represented the past that he can never return to. Anakin already killed younglings and hundreds of Jedi. Obi wan has to be wrong and be evil. He can't go back anymore. He has to move forward with Palpatine or it will have meant nothing. This is also the reason why Ahsoka couldn't bring him back either.
Luke represented the future. Anakin saw a different option with Luke. Whether it was killing Palpatine and with Luke as an apprentice then ruling the galaxy. Or redeeming himself to preserve his son's future. Luke was literally a new hope even for Vader.
Han is just cocky. Everyone knows the jedi were around but they are around ll dead. So he doesn't think jedi are really hot shit, Han has always exaggerated
ok I always assumed he literally didn't believe in the force and thought it was mumbo jumbo until Luke showed him
/r/showerthoughts: maybe Carrie Fisher became a script doctor after seeing how much Lucas was a hack.
>not saving it for your personal wank file
if he released the footage that'd be the end of the relationship, hence no more shit to film
He mentions overthrowing Palpy to Padme as well. Why didn't Darth Vader just kill Palpatine and rule by himself? Was he too lonely?
>Why didn't Darth Vader just kill Palpatine and rule by himself?
Many reasons. First of all he planned to (like all sith) the rule of 2 eventually means the death of the apprentice or the master.
2nd he lost everything. He first planned to rule the galaxy with Padme but without her he only found purpose in being sheevs apprentice
3rd reason. Palpatine was just far more powerful. Vader never stood a chance against him 1v1 and Palpatine was far to clever for Vader to assassinate.
That's the reason Vader wanted Luke to turn to the dark side. He tells Luke this. "only together they can destroy the Emperor and rule the glaaxy as father and son"
In the Force Unleashed, Vader tries to kill Sheev and winds up accidentally creating the rebellion.