Explain someone who hasn't watched TOS, why is Kirk considered to be better captain than Picard

Explain someone who hasn't watched TOS, why is Kirk considered to be better captain than Picard

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BECAUSE KIRK HAS THE MAC SAUCE

AND PICARD HAS THE WACK SAUCE

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a lot of people want to look like they've watched the original series

Picard is an effete intellectual diplomat who almost always takes the morally correct option despite the consequences to himself or his crew.

Kirk is a cowboy, classically masculine figure who slaps women and gets things done without a lot of chin scratching and mincing. His sexual conquests are exaggerated but existent, unlike picard who is a barely relatable space alien and might as well be vulcan.

More intuitive. Pure natural at the job. His instincts were flawless.

I considered Picard to be a more fatherly figure

this is a decent answer. TOS has credibility among the masses simply for being the original.

>liking any captain more than Janeway or black space jesus
nah, Picard is the best. Kirkfags are just nostalgic.

Picard
>oh no, they want to blow us up! Run to the conference room!

Kirk
>They want to blow us up!
>Let's disguise ourselves, beam aboard their ship, I'll fuck an alien maiden while you blow up the reactor and we'll beam back

>Mr. Sulu, will you proceed to sickbay for a full mental examination?
>mmmm Sssir, I..
>GOD DAMNIT YOU FRUITY GOOK GET DOWN THERE NOW!

At least he dealt with degeneracy properly.

kek

Picard is kind of a cuck and Kirk is a man.

>Scotty, did I see you staggering out of the mess earlier.
>*hyick* erm uh AYE... zir
>Just checking..

Knew how to keep the crew loose and stress-free.

this

it's a meme based on people that only watched the movies but don't want to admit it

you pretty much got the point, but went off a little bit in the end. to put it more simple:

>Picard
intellectual; solves stuff with his brain
>Kirk
cowboy/more of a normal guy; solves stuff with his revolver (phaser).

majority of the audience can identify with Kirk more easily. An intellectual seems foreign to them.
Objectively Picard is the better captain in every regard.

>Objectively Picard is the better captain in every regard.
there's nothing objective about your opinion. The intellectual solution is not automatically the best one. Oftentimes Picard spent far too much time wringing his hand when he should have acted, he's a good diplomat but a so-so commanding officer

>Alien ship has fired on us Captain!
>Hold your fire, Mr. Worf. They may just be trying to test us.
>Shields down to 20% Captain!
>Hold on Mr. Worf, this may be them trying to communicate.
>Shields have collapsed, warp core breach imminent Captain!
>Alright Mr. Worf, give them a warning shot, minimum power only.

>Oftentimes Picard spent far too much time wringing his hand when he should have acted
When?

That's our Picuck.

This. You want to be Kirk, you want Picard to be your based uncle who always knows what to do. Having said that Kirk was never as 'slap bitches and kill aliens and dgaf' as people seem to think. He was pretty hotblooded but he was still intelligent and professional, he wasn't a wish-fulfillment loose cannon guy.

He argued about the crystal entity's right to exist even though it was mass murdering planetloads of people.

I mean that's a fine argument but I don't want the captain of my fleet's flagship being such a wiener. Put Gene Hackman in that chair instead.

More charismatic
An old school hero, like a western cowboy
His friendship with Spock and Bones, plus the way he cares for his ship and crew is very endearing.
He's a man who has been put in difficult situations but always does the right thing to save the day, rules be damned.
He's just a really heroic and likeable guy and you feel what he feels while you watch him.

>Kirk is better than Picard

ITT People who haven't seen Starship Mine

>Captain, Starfleet wants us to forcibly relocate those Indians.
>Hm.
>Captain, the Indians are refusing to be moved.
>Hmmm.
>Captain, the Cardassians are opening fire!
>Hmmmmm.

Picard is not an alien. He does what has to be done because he is captain and cant let things be taken personal.

He's not. Anyone who doesn't appreciate both of them for what they are has shit taste.

/Thread

they want to discuss with the Crtystal Entity, Picard even said that if everything else failed they would have killed it

I just want him to say 'make it so' and solve all the problems in my life

>Enter Federation space and we will consider it an act of war!
>You entered Federation space when I told you not to! I'm really mad now!
>*paces around ready room*

>Captain, we've captured a Romulan spy
>Patch him up and give him back to the Romulans, don't worry about interrogating him
>Captain...
>Here Romulan captain, have your spy back who illegally entered our territory. I hope we can be good friends
>Have a nice trip back to Romulus!

you can appreciate both while still preferring one over the other

>muh apples and oranges

Sisko might have been good if Avery Brooks wasn't such a terrible actor.

Yes, they wanted to talk to it. It's eating people! You can't just pick up a bag of food at Petco and rehabilitate it

TOS looks much better than TNG from a cinematic standpoint. I wish they'd kept this sort of lighting.

>Picard will never solve all your problems
>Riker will never teach you everything about women
>Worf will never teach you how to be a true warrior

and the Horta was killing people and Kirk still found the time to talk, heal and save it from the mad miners

Kirk still spared the Gorn who destroyed an entire colony full of women or children etc.

they always tried to communicate first with everything they encountered, this isn't something only Picard did

>why didn't Picard start a galactic war on its own

Because he was a pussy.

Nog is somehow worse than Wesley.

GOOD point

I guess I can't explain why I'm under that impression then. It could be mostly superficial.

There's a point about the difference between Kirk and Picard in there somewhere but I'm too belted to come up with it myself.

He wouldn't have been responsible. You don't let your belligerent neighbors walk all over you and then pat them on the back for it

At the very least he should have sent the prisoner back to Starfleet Intelligence. he was an enemy operative not a fucking sightseer

Anyone who thinks a CAPTAIN should be reckless is a teenager whose never been responsible for anyone else.

That is why Riker filling that role makes more sense in TNG.

Kirk - space American emboldened by good virtue and strong will

Picard - Bizarre socialist robot like everyone in the TNG era Federation

Jesus Christ, I am so much happier watching Worf on DS9 where his concerns are not immediately brushed aside EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.

Sad we never will get the Worf TV show with him acting as a captain on his own.

Pyke is the best Captain.

>ambassador ship with the mission of meeting new species and stuff
>LET'S JUST FIRE TORPEDOS AT EVEYRTHING

Spock: Captain, If I may, the crystal is..
Hackman: I'M THE COMMANDER OF THIS FUCKING SHIP

TNG characters all have a weird lifeless quality about them because they are supposed to entirely be the enlightened pinnacle of Roddenberry's idea of a society. Internal conflict between members of the crew was practically verboten by Roddenberry. Picard is especially a handwringing weirdo and has a tendency to come off as overly welcoming and naive to obviously dangerous aliens and situations.

Kirk and the rest of the TOS crew are in comparison much more human in both their interactions with each other and their attitudes towards aliens.

Kirk > Sisko > Picard > Archer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Janeway.

This is why Picard is superior.

Kirk was a fiercely intelligent man who liked to bone. Picard was a fiercely intelligent man who was old and his dick probably didn't get up for anything but paintings of heroes of olde anymore. When it comes to captaining a ship the second option was proven superior.

The Sheliak getting btfo was a high moment in Picard's diplomacy

beep beep

Riker was in charge of the fucking, and Worf in charge of the honor/glory

>Kirk
>cowboy/more of a normal guy; solves stuff with his revolver (phaser).

That's not even true at all, it's like people on Sup Forums talk about shit without even watching the source material or something. Kirk was very intelligent and reserved, take the episode where they switch places with the barbarian Enterprise and Kirk immediately realizes that they've somehow been switched and plays the part of the barbarian captain perfectly to blend in until they can think of a way back to their own Enterprise. Dude's cunning as fuck. Just because some crew member on that Enterprise also wanted his dick is irrelevant.

Given the nature of their missions I think you could argue that having someone virile and decisive at the helm was better than having someone old and reasonable and 'nice'. The entire point was that they were pioneers expected to deal with constant uncertainty and danger, I don't know if I want Captain Chinstroke in charge under those conditions.

>TNG characters all have a weird lifeless quality about them
I want this meme to end.

Don't take it literal. Kirk was also intelligent, while Picard was also sometimes cunning and passionate.

It's not a meme. Roddenberry specifically said there weren't supposed to be interpersonal conflicts when he was setting up the show. Thus we wind up with a ship full of sterile people that never fight or have otherwise interesting dynamics between them. They just solve abstract sci-fi of the week things.

People don't have to bicker to be interesting. That's idiotic.

Honestly, I'm kind of glad. I appreciate that the show didn't turn into some kind of soapy drama about how Riker and LaForge are feuding because Riker fucked Geordi's waifu.

I'd rather them deal with more interesting problems.

t. someone who has only seen the first two seasons of the show

Season 2 had Pulaski, so more like just the first season.

It's a TV show, not hard procedural sf. If you just want pure problem-solving read a book. TV drama requires, y'know, drama.

Kirk wasnt really a cowboy, though. He was pretty straight laced and did almost everything by the book when he could. He ran his ship military fashion. The man was obsessed with a captain's duty to his ship and her crew.

It's true though. Even during action scenes people move like mannequins.

>tfw pulaski didn't stay for the rest of the series
fuck that red headed bitch.

If you want characters getting into pointless conflicts with each other for the sake of drama, go watch the CW. Your argument is inane.

>implying TOS was any better
>AH AH AH SPOCK YOU ARE LIKE A COMPUTER! LOL
>OMG YOU HUMANS ARE SO HUMANS
>repeat for every episode

also add to that Bones being retarded most of the time

and in TOS action scenes characters magically lose weight and regain it instantly, it was embarrassing even by the standards of the era

Kirk wasnt reckless though.

>he's complaining about the fight choreography in Star Trek
Now I know you're memeing.

How is conflict between characters 'pointless'? I'm not talking about 'omg Brent how could you cheat on me', I mean the ethical dilemmas present in something like Star Trek being played out between characters with different values as opposed to everyone being perfect and in agreement all the time.

Does anyone else love the cast of TNG but hate the stories? The plots are so fucking dry half the time its hard to sit through. It feels like a completely different franchise from TOS or DS9.

>I mean the ethical dilemmas present in something like Star Trek being played out between characters with different values as opposed to everyone being perfect and in agreement all the time.
Have you ever watched the show? This stuff you're talking about is in it.

Remember when Worf wanted Riker to help him commit suicide?
Remember when Data found that some robots were developing sentience, and disobeyed orders?
Remember when Ensign Ro infiltrated the Maquis and turned to their side?
Remember when Pulaski kept antagonizing Data and treating him like a machine and not a person?
Remember when Riker had to advocate against Data's sentience in a trial that would decide whether he lives or dies?

>unlike picard who is a barely relatable space alien and might as well be vulcan.
I'm not sure where this criticism comes from. Picard had several romances during the series, and even banged Vash for fun.

>"You don't know, Robert... You don't know. They took everything I was."

Pulaski was a terrible character. I get the feeling that they were trying to recreate some of the Bones/Spock dynamic with her and Data, but it ended up failing miserably and she just came across as an asshole.

Fair enough, I was making a general point. Flawed, passionate characters are always more interesting than ethically correct robots.

She came across as someone who was genuinely skeptical of a machine being a person. It was an interesting perspective to explore.

>Flawed, passionate characters
Like Riker, Worf, Picard, Geordi, and Beverly?

most is leftist garbage

>evil aliens attack
>lets talk to them
>make peace but crew members killed
>now happy space muslims

Not the fight scenes themselves as much as every one having this perpetual stiffness that made all the characters come off like robots.

I consider TNG great background television, it's comfy as hell but not particularly interesting. Something to put on when I'm doing chores

TOS and DS9 are shows that I actually pay attention to and get invested in

Ya got me man, I was just making a point

s-sorry user

I love the wide variety of topics they have for each episode, and the focus on sci fi plots. Nowadays tv is pretty much the opposite, more centered around characters than plot. And that's not to say that Picard isn't a memorable character

DS9 fans getting always more desperate in their attempt to shit on TNG

>not enjoying both equally
Wew.

Dramatic pauses

>picard
>violates prime directive more times than picard
>let's an untrained teenager on the helm of the enterprise because he banged her mom

It's always nice going back to watch old TOS episodes after going through a bunch of TNG. Beaming down to some random planet with an adventurer and his two best friends is way too comfy, especially when paired against a man who debates moral issues all day. They both have their place, but more often than not Kirk is more enjoyable.

I'm sure the fact that Shatner is legit insane has something to do with it to.

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Kirk will be the galactic diplomat of Earth, riding out into the galaxy on top the electromagnetic waves. No captain will ever compare to him.

There was plenty of drama whenever the enterprise was in danger or when a crewmember was in danger which happens every single episode. Interpersonal drama was there too with shit like Riker getting Troi cucked by Worf in later seasons

>equally
Wew.

Pulaski was fucking shit mate

At least Crusher was a total milf and had some intersting dynamics with Picard

Came in here to say DS9 a shit and Picard is best captain

Both are good.

Pulaski had interesting dynamics with everyone, and actually had a very natural actor.

No GenXTrek fans think this. Only boomers too young for Picard or millenials too young for Picard.

Childhood is when you idolize Kirk, Adulthood is when you realize Picard makes more sense.