Chad Johnson >fined $5,000 for using pylon and ball as props in touchdown celebration >fined $5,000 for wearing a jersey with an "Ocho Cinco" name plate during on-field interview (played game with "C. Johnson" nameplate) >fined $10,000 for wearing orange chinstrap during preseason game >fined $20,000 for waiving a dollar bill at a referee during an official review >fined $30,000 for wearing a sombrero on the sideline >fined $25,000 for tweeting during a game >fined $20,000 for wearing gold cleats during game
A total of $115,000 the NFL extracted from Chad Johnson to punish him for self-expression.
But no one is getting fined for expressing disrespect to the American flag and anthem.
I voted for Grompf but seriously we cant let him have the jewclear codes
Cooper Foster
I miss och football was fun back then
Kevin Morgan
He was fined for breaking the NFL rules.
There's no rule against kneeling for the anthem
Juan Jones
>fined $30,000 for wearing a sombrero on the sideline mexicants btfo
Seriously though, the NFL's uniform rules are extremely homosexual
Matthew Brown
>player gets fined for having fun and not harming anything >other players disrespect the people who spent $200 to sit in nosebleed seats to watch them play and were forced to build their NFL stadium with their tax money
Chase Edwards
please stop refuting lies with facts. This is America.
Gavin Powell
Actually there is.
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
"During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.
"It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."
--pages A62-63 of the NFL Game Operations Manual
Adam Cooper
Damn, he was so based.
Ethan Collins
remember last season when dallas wanted to wear helmet stickers honoring the 5 cops murdered by a BLM terrorist and the NFL said no?
Brayden Nguyen
>OP lists times rules were broken >Complains about the fines due to broken rules >Forgets to mention no rule exists about having to stand for the anthem
This might be the dumbest argument I've seen all day. Congrats
Leo Moore
HAHAHAHAHA PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS SHIT? Please never use the internet again
Julian Richardson
Johnson was fun to watch
Carter Garcia
>imagine being this wrong
Leo Rodriguez
>thinks there needs to be a rule in the NFL >when standing at attention for the anthem is a law
does the NFL need to pass rules that players don't commit rape, substance abuse, domestic assault, or participate in gang activity too?
Jeremiah Clark
They know how much of a PR nightmare it would be if they fined everyone for kneeling.
John Carter
>>fined $30,000 for wearing a sombrero on the sideline What the fuck happened to America?
Henry Cox
All they had to due was fine Kaepernick the first time. Now they could simply fine the teams and donate the money to police causes.
Nicholas Bell
>should stand at attention Should is not the same as must. Your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking lets me know you're the product of a flyover state's educational system.
Isaiah Myers
Good argument
Brayden Jenkins
>can't refute facts >shitpost desperately
Brody Jenkins
Apologize
Carter Bailey
Bengals somehow got every memey receiver to sign with them.
Maybe OBJ will go to Cincy once he's on the downswing of his career.
Cooper Carter
No regard because those are already against the law. Kneeling for the anthem or even burning the flag is not
Charles Brooks
Dude was a Master Troll. I could abide all these niggershines if they had half the flair Ochocinco had. Didn't he once mail the opposing team's defense sticks of deodorant before their game? you can't make this shit up.
Tyler Reed
> you now remember that TO and Ochocinco were on a reality show together
Ayden Jackson
Nice one, Moishe. These goyim write the laws, and we find the loopholes.
Nolan Evans
They already have that rule. I'm pretty sure it's under the basic fucking common law of this country section. You know about laws? I guess you think you can commit murder at the office because your employee handbook doesn't state it. You might be the dumbest person on this board
Michael Roberts
Fuck do I miss mid to late 2000s football. Everything was so comfy and the league wasn't full nazi.
Jordan Scott
cte, domestic violence, stupid rules, and now protests JUST
Ian Reed
NFL is a fucking disgrace with all these stupid rules. Fuck I wish league were run like in Europe here.
Ethan Morgan
Burning the flag and kneeling during the anthem actually are against the law.
And it's completely legal to burn the flag ever since Texas v Johnson
Eli Bell
Imagine how many US flags were burned by Confederates in 1861. Now imagine them trying to burn them in 1866 and throughout the next 70 years of Reconstruction.
Because it didn't happen. Burning the US flag was extremely illegal. Southerners were forced to swear oaths of loyalty to the US or face death. The Pledge of Allegiance was later created in the 1920s to codify the oath for all Americans.
Aaron Richardson
Damn I miss the era of NFL when Ochocinco was doing all this shit. Was so much more fun to watch back then.
Josiah Watson
It's should because if someone is playing the anthem in the middle of a gunfight, you should first try to preserve your life by getting to safety.
But you kikes seriously just can't into spirit or meaning of the law.
Levi Walker
TO trolled every single DB before every single game, it was hilarious how mad some of them got.
IIRC he sent Sunscreen to one, to "Prevent him from being Burnt on Sunday" lol
Noah Cox
>meaning of the law t. Intentionalist
The weight of American jurisprudence is against what you're trying to claim.
"Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and non-controversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League."
Wyatt Murphy
Chad was fun as hell man. I wish he was on the Jets so I could have cheered for him more
Jose Cox
Literally what are you trying to prove with this? A player kneeling is a "personal message" but not in the form of either a "writing" or an "illustration"
So this wouldn't cover that
Bentley Richardson
Are you not aware of what the word "should" means? It does not mean "has to" or "must."
Isaac Gutierrez
u wot m8
Gavin Hernandez
>Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience...players are prohibited from... otherwise conveying personal messages...unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office.
The League will not grant permission for any club or player to...otherwise convey messages...which relate to political activities or causes
Leo Carter
You're retarded. The important part is >displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration >either in writing or illustration
You can't just use ellipses to make rules mean whatever you want
Christopher Torres
nigga you are misreading that either because you are dumb or on purpose so I'm invoking Henlen's Razor and you're dumb.
Cooper Miller
>non-law fags Shouldn't you be at your nightshift job at Mcdonalds?
Jaxon Hernandez
Those are the equipment rules you retard
Juan Nguyen
Using your cleats and kneepads to kneel is a violation of the equipment when you're using them for political messages.
Alexander Robinson
Thanks for that fact. What the fuck does that have to do with the pledge, where this retarded "law" lesson stems? No one is refuting ocho-cinco's hilarious retardation. You go from side lines to equipment to try to prove not standing is a problem. It's not, there is no line which says they must stand, please kys.
Camden Richardson
Actually there is. See here:
Evan Baker
yeah, you're a retard. 2/10.
Dylan Martin
Actually I'm not.
You clearly are.
Aiden Mitchell
>We used to have DogKiller, Ochocinco, T.O., Teboq Now we just have Kaepernick's leftover skid marks. What happened?
Carter Murphy
ocho cinco..
hah i miss that goofball, he was entertaining to watch.. great player.. didnt he beat his wife or somethign?
Nicholas Thomas
>wearing a sombrero Wow he was trying to salute mexican culture, how disgustingly unprogressive of the NFL
Landon Long
He's a black NFL player. Of course he did
Henry Campbell
The only true Mexican football player. He's a Chivas fan apparently. I don't know much about soccer so don't know if that's good or bad.
Ethan Reyes
Tony casillas falcons higrh draft pick didnt like nfl
Mason Morgan
They really should have killed all of the confederates tbqfwu.
Ryan Cox
If he was truly Mexican, he would of fix the name Ocho Cinco
Lincoln Carter
this
Benjamin Richardson
>But no one is getting fined for expressing disrespect to the American flag and anthem. keke you dont seem to understand what your flag and anthem stand for
protip: the flag and anthem are NOT military logos.
Eli Wright
The league went all in with the No Fun rules. And consider the continual drop in ratings, apparently the "purists" they acquiesced to aren't don't offset the casual fans pushed out by the ads/flags/fines for stupid shit/ect.
Carter Morgan
>It's illegal not to stand for a song >Land of the free
Gavin Baker
How can americans stare at ball playing Negroes for 2 hours and not throw up?
Samuel Wilson
Should means must in legal text
James Price
No it doesn't. "Shall" does; should implies it's discretionary but suggested. No lawyer would use should when they meant must or shall. It's for that reason that the text says >The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game Not should be played prior to every game
The anthem is, it was written about the military (rockets red glare, bombs bursting in air)
Jordan Allen
Did you forget to read this part? >shallverbas required will,by compulsion will,by imperative will,mandatorily will,obligatorily will Associated concepts:shall be lawful, shall be legal, shall beeome, shall give, shall have, shall not, shall perform, shall work
The part you read first is "shall" like "thou shall not kill" and in that context in means "should"
But in a legal modern document? It means must.
Gavin Thomas
That just tells you the definition of shall and redirects from should. There's a reason there's no specific definition for sshould.
No good lawyer or legislature would use should instead of shall or must. It wouldn't stand challenge because it's vague.
faa.gov/about/initiatives/plain_language/articles/mandatory/ >Legal reference books like the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure no longer use the word "shall." Even the Supreme Court ruled that when the word "shall" appears in statutes, it means "may."
Thats perfectly fine. The franchises will be fined in the form of a declining fanbase.
Thomas Nelson
>Until RECENTLY, law schools taught attorneys that "shall" means "must." That's why many attorneys and executives think "shall" means "must." It's not their fault. TheFederal Plain Writing Actand theFederal Plain Language Guidelinesonly appeared in 2010. And the fact is, even though "must" has come to be the only clear, valid way to express "mandatory," most parts of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFRs) that govern federal departments still use the word "shall" for that purpose. Read your own source first
Connor Davis
>source: my ass >also I'm a Spaniard who specializing in American law interpretation
top wew
Alexander Powell
Right shall means/meant must and is being phased out. Should and shall are not synonymous. You don't know what you're talking about
Leo Morgan
>What should you say if someone tells you "shall is a perfectly good word?" Alwaysagreewith them because they're correct! But in your next breath, be sure to say "yes, shall is a perfectly good word, but it'snota perfectly good word of obligation. SourceNon-lawfags talking about law are always funny
Jaxson Phillips
No they should've industrialized the south to keep it on par with the north but they were too petty. Now we've got a giant shit stain of poverty all along the south eastern coast
Christian Wood
UNDER LAW you are required to stand for the national anthem >36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem >all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/30
Colton Ortiz
Lol you've switched from defending should to defending shall.
There's a reason there is a definition for shall in black's but not should. Should is only a valid word to use for obligation if it's defined as such in the document.
Oliver Price
>should
It's a recommendation
Brody Murphy
>diff user Then the U.S. should just make a fucking WikiHow on the pledge of allegiance. How can that be a law if it's not explicitly enforced? >giving states the right to enforce it Shits getting overthrown in court.
Not arguing with you. It just seems stupid.
Andrew Wood
Right that totally trumps the first amendment
Carter Miller
You are now aware that, in addition to the Rule Book, which confusingly covers some pre-game activities as well as in-game rules, there is a Games Operation Manual that covers what must happen on Game Day.
Nicholas Ortiz
He didn't bring enough for everybody. We're about equality.