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B-BUT TRUMP! MY FEELINGS!

I couldn't even bring myself to watch the 4th series, is it as full of Moffat's brand of bullshit as usual?

Twofold.

She's such a brainwashed internalised misogynist

What are they freaking out about now?

Have people really been shitting on it? Molly's a lonely young woman who works in a morgue and has obviously been in love with Sherlock for the entire run of the series. I thought it was the only effective scene of the episode.

I actually thought that bit was one of the best scenes

>fight the patriarchy
what did she mean by this

>it's not anti-feminist
>read some fucking Chekhov

So she needs him to mansplain for her what feminism is?

Eurus, Sherlock's sister forces him to call Molly and have her say "I Love you" to him or people die.

She reluctantly does after becoming a crying mess because she thinks it's another one of Sherlock's games.

Feminists think it's a kind of rape.

i watched all the four seasons last week
season 1 was so fucking comfy man
season 3 and 4 were such letdowns
and that special episode too

fuck

Do they have more of an issue with this than Eurus literally raping a woman and presumably mutilating her?

i liked the second episode, the rest was trash.

I didn't understand her extreme reaction desu, Sherlock doesn't fucking prank call people. Wouldn't she know that it was important by the way he was acting and just say it? They're just words.

what's the connection with Star Trek?

She did mentions she's having a shit day. She was sobbing even before picking up.

Any kind of female duress is rape, especially if it involves a man.

She was having a bad day and she's probably tried to be in denial of how she feels about Sherlock because he's repeatedly been a complete cock to her. Having to tell him directly that she loves him is just exposing herself to all the pain she's experienced for the past half decade. She's not being rational because she's terrified of how she feels.

>people are angry that the last human character on the show acts like a human

That's kind of pathetic.

That's her character and Moffat gets off on treating her badly.

Patrician response tbqhwyf.

Same. In a sea of shit, this was the solid part. I actually winced and covered my eyes when Sherlock said the "your mind has created the perfect metaphor" line, I was so fucking embarrassed.

Are you an idiot? Being pathetic is Molly's character, dickhead.

>They're just words.
They're not just words when you actually feel that way towards the person you're talking to.

Kind of like your life, HUH?

Sherlock Holmes is supposed to be about solving mysteries. What is all this stupid feelings bullshit getting in the way for?

I'm a pleb. What does Chekhov have to do with it?

You're right. It's more hack false-sentimental "dishonest" writing. Sherlock does strange shit but it's almost always for good reason in the end. If you know Sherlock, then you should probably go along with his requests since he must have a good reason to do so in the first place. Haven't seen the episode, but just disecting it from a character and logical stand point.

The anger is just fauxrage that Sherlock and the dude didn't fuck like they wanted them to. They can't say that, so they're "outraged" over Molly. Cause that's feminist.

What's "after years" ?

>What is all this stupid feelings bullshit getting in the way for?

Have you even watched the show? His disconnect is practically the point of his arc.

>logical stand point.
This is where your reasoning fails.
Emotions are not completely logical.

No, and this thread makes me glad I don't watch it. It sounds shitty.

the finale was so bad.

Chekhov writes women who are multifaceted and capable of devotion to less-than-perfect men without turning them into thoughtless, inhuman dolls.

>Let me tell you why I hate shit i don't watch.

Agreed. That part seemed contrived to me.

no wonder Hollywood adores marxism and commie writers so much

>hey it was just ALL IN MY MIND!
>sometimes my voice sounds like a little girls, too

Also doesn't John know how to fucking swim or something?

Eurus is a woman, so she can't do anything wrong, shitlord

I have never been one to bitch about "Moffat's brand of bullshit"... But yes, yes it was.

>Moffat: read a children's book!
>Brealey: read some fucking Chekov!

What the fuck are you trying to say?

>Also doesn't John know how to fucking swim or something?
I guess you completely missed the part where John was chained to the bottom of the well

Then how did he climb the rope they dropped?

I haven't keep up with this bullshit, don't know what it's about

But "it's not weak/evil/ wrong to love someone for long" is strange as fuck to read and encapsulates the black hole of basic affection that feminists and sjws turned the world into.

So goddamn strange to read that

>Special episode

Nah not ringing any bells, all I remember is series 3 ends with Moriarty on the screen and that's where series 4 starts!

It isnt yet Moffat wrote her to be humiliated lmao

The Molly scene was great.
Sherlock smashing the coffin in a fit of tard-rage was fucking retarded because suddenly the focus was on Sherlock's feelings, as if HE was the one fucked over by it all. Also because the coffin was cheap as fuck and the way it was shot and edited just felt stupid.
Moffat talking about how Molly would get over it and how she basically doesn't matter was pure retardation and actually does show how he can't write a female character that isn't just there to fuel the male main character.

In this season we had Mary's death, which was all about Watson moving on and then forgiving Sherlock. Then we had Molly confessing her feelings and Sherlock being the one who gets the emotionally cathartic scene. Then we had the homicidal sister who killed a kid just because Sherlock wouldn't play with her and who again tried to kill Watson until Sherlock hugged her.

This is shit writing, whether stupid tumblr-brand feminists decries it or not.

People only "watch" ahows as background noise and are too lazy to check the plot synopsis afterwards to understand the bits they missed.

Everything they missed is a "plot hole" to them. Because it's HARD to watch tv or something.

what the fuck was that bride's episode?
female empowerment in the 19s xD

chekhov wasn't a commie though

This is a legit plothole though

Wait, so tumblr is saying love is anti-feminist and anyone displaying it triggers them?

Feminists really are just bitter, lonely cat womyn.

>reading RUSSIAN propaganda
Make sure this man never works in this city again

Yes, i usually have shittier shows like this as a background noise. If i'm watching something worthwhile it will have my full attention.

Sherlock, now aware of where John was, used his superior intellect to telekinetically remove the chain from Watson's ankle.

*2005 FacePalm*

You missed it. This isn't a plot hole. They showed how he did it. Maybe next time, try to look at the screen, not your phone.

I think she was recently in a Chekhov play so it's probably what she's been reading lately

Maybe it was a "METAPHORICAL" chain?

This. Kids these days half watch shows through their smartphones while flashing themselves on Skype then wonder why they can't follow the plot.

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But this was the best scene of the episode

>actually does show how he can't write a female character that isn't just there to fuel the male main character.

They already knew that. They knew it from everything he's ever done. It's literally like watching a Bay flick and complaining about explosions and military porn.

Moff can't write women. It's his thing. No one denies this.

Has she said anything about how her character was blatantly ignored after the best part of the episode, with no resolution?

Wait, a character was chained to the bottom of a well and was rescued by someone throwing a rope down? Seriously?

If this is real then I'm gonna start writing TV shows. No matter how bad it is, it can't be worse than that.

They threw down a pair of bolt-cutters with the rope, since they'd know he was chained down there from Eurus telling them.

The montage ending was complete shit, too hastily done and completely ruined anything the episode had managed to build up, but it doesn't amount to a plothole. Nobody ever finding the redbeard kid despite him being stuck in the only giant well on the property is the plothole. When it was meant to be a dog it made sense. With a kid it does not.

"W-w-w wait, Star Trek's Chekov never wrote books?" -- Tumblr, Current Year

Yep. Was a brief scene that allowed the show to be what it used to be.

I heard he's a gun nut.

>on Skype

Lol, like, ok gramps.

I was honestly expecting it to lead up to Molly killing herself, being Eurus's real plan all along. That would be a little dark, but it would make sense.

But they didn't.

>scene showed him chained
>scene showed him slip into water like idiot
>scene showed him with skull
>lots of scenes of his face close up with water pouring into well
>no scene where he gets leg out of big fucking shackle

>be on Sup Forums yesterday
>be reading sherlock thread
>see posts seriously discussing the idea that there is a secret episode coming this sunday because last episode was so shit that it must be a pretend episode
>laugh

I'm still expecting that for next season.

>yfw the actress telling us to read Chekhov is actually a veiled allusion to chekhov's gun, and the moment will suddenly be replayed from her POV next season, with the scene ending with her killing herself, to explain why Sherlock is spiralling out of control or something like that

The last episode was a well crafted metaphor.

Nah, she just gets over it. Real quote from the writer:
>She gets over it! Surely at a certain point you have to figure out that after Sherlock escapes tells her, “I’m really sorry about that, it was a code, I thought your flat was about to blow up.” And she says, “Oh well that’s okay then, you bastard.” And then they go back to normal, that’s what people do. I can’t see why you’d have to play that out. She forgives him, of course, and our newly grown-up Sherlock is more careful with her feelings in the future. In the end of that scene, she’s a bit wounded by it all, but he’s absolutely devastated. He smashes up the coffin, he’s in pieces, he’s more upset than she is, and that’s a huge step in Sherlock’s development. The question is: Did Sherlock survive that scene? She probably had a drink and went and shagged someone, I dunno. Molly was fine.

>The question is: Did Sherlock survive that scene? She probably had a drink and went and shagged someone, I dunno. Molly was fine.
Has Gatiss said anything about this?

If you're subscribing to that hidden ep theory can confirm it's not happening. I work for the bbc would have heard something by now.

>only thing they manage to keep under wraps is twists on live episodes of eastenders and even that has been leaked before

>She probably had a drink and went and shagged someone, I dunno.

I'm usually a bit annoyed by authors who say that they couldn't write something another way because the character chose to do something, but now I see how much better it is to have an author that has such a good grasp of their characters that the characters can seem to have a life of their own. Instead of this style of writing, where they don't have a fucking clue about what kind of a character they've been showing to people and where they just handwave some kind of explanation that sounds like it's for an entirely different character.

You can't have a scene where a character gets very emotional before finally confessing that she's had unrequited feelings for another character for half a decade or something, only to then say "no man she doesn't give a fuck. She just shagged someone else.".

No, and he probably won't - it would be bad form to publicly question the words of your fellow showrunner and writer

WHY IS THERE ROMANCE IN A SHERLOCK HOLMES SHOW?

What a clown

You know what I want to know?
Why the fuck do people bother writing romance when they're terrible at it? And even if they weren't, why bother when they have no time to focus on it anyway?

Autists don't know that they're terrible at romance. They think they're writing Romeo and Juliet for the new age, when it's actually just mediocre shit that nobody's surprised by.

If a female character isn't an ass kicking Mary Sue who can do anything and is loved by everyone, then she is a horrible character created by the patriarchy and its institutionalized misogyny.

Yes

>tfw Molly's actress is a raging feminist
>tfw she also loves learning about trees and dogs and travel
>tfw she's ok with doing nude roles
it's a very confusing feeling

t. Female or numale
"I don't know why I'm sad. It's so confusing."

Why do they even keep watching it? Weren't they already shitting on the show for killing Mary just to develop Sherlock and Watson more?

>tfw she's ok with doing nude roles
H-has she done them before?

I can't think of anything I've seen her in other than Sherlock.

only theater as far as I'm aware. I think she does more theater stuff than TV.

Tumblr still has all their heads up their asses about Sherlock and Watson not being a thing. They're all a bunch of crybabies about everything.

>Ass kicking Mary Sue who can do anything and is loved by everyone
But feminists hated Mary user

The only thing that made me angry was Moffat saying that this scene hurt Sherlock more. That was some grade A bullshit.

Either that or executive pressure to get as many potential audiences as possible
I'm going to go out on a limb and say 90% of all terrible romances are awkward (and most likely successful) attempts to secure most female audiences

cucumberpatch is a proclaimed feminist too.
good for her actress. it's about time an advocate shits on the extremists. the movement has become so cancerous because the line between feminism and misandry has been completely blurred.

I don't get why a raging feminist wouldn't be into your second point. The third, yes, but the second is entirely random.

Really? Why?

>throw down bolt cutters
>land on watson's head, knocking him out
>he falls and drowns in shallow water

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