Why is contemporary religious music often so bad?

Why is contemporary religious music often so bad?

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Contemporary religious music and top 40 pop songs often have the same goals in mind: reach as many people as possible, and push an agenda whenever you can. The top priority is placed on the former, though. There are occasional outliers in both realms (i.e. pop music had The Beatles and Michael Jackson, both legendary pop artists who made music that was both innovative and accessible, and a lot of really good artists like Sufjan Stevens, while not necessarily classifying as gospel, have a lot of religious themes, imagery and parables tastefully imbued throughout their music), but those are just outliers.
99.9% of the time, the music is deliberately constructed to be as easy, simple and accessible as possible in order to reach as many people as possible. Pop does it for profit, and religious musicians do it for philosophical reasons, but the result is often the same: bland, lifeless songs with increasingly simplistic lyrics, vapid production, and empty structures. Most gospel singers even have the same style and mannerisms, and the same goes for most gospel instrumentalists. It's gotten so bad that some religious labels have even started signing deliberate pop knockoffs; singers that sound a lot like Adele and Katy Perry (who, by the way, was once a gospel singer herself) in an attempt to rake in the normies that listen to their music.
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This isn't only limited to music, either. Most media falls into this pattern; there are "pop" movies that are wildly successful despite not being too great (e.g. the Transformers franchise, the Marvel Cinematic Universe) and there are religious movies like God's Not Dead, Saving Christmas, and the other one about the Columbine shooting that was in really poor taste, the title of which I can't remember right now. These religious movies aren't really designed to provoke thought or craft a complex story with dynamic characters; they're not even designed to convert atheists or seculars. They're designed to preach to the choir, so to speak: they reinforce their target audience's way of thinking. It's thinly veiled propaganda.
That's not to say all religious media is bad - The Ten Commandments is widely considered one of the greatest films of all time. The Passion of the Christ is a great movie, too. It's just that, again, those are the outliers. The vast majority of it is simply designed to either rake in money, reinforce beliefs, or both if possible. The same applies to religious music; not all religious music is bad. A lot of Christmas carols and hymns are the shit: they're full of strongly crafted melodies and very well-planned (even innovative) structures. Because of that, Christian music has strongly influenced how Western music is made even today. But most people don't listen to Christmas carols directly, and very few people buy albums full of hymns. Doesn't pay well.

tl;dr, nobody's really focusing on the music. Because it's not about the music. It's about mass appeal.

protestants are brainlets who can't into art

the type of people that are still christians in 2018 are retarded right wing nutjobs without a creative bone in their body

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religion itself is bad, what else could you expect from religious music

wrong

Pretty much what everybody else said. The kind of people intelligent enough to create beautiful religious music are likely to be more secular in thought nowadays, and even if they're not, they tend to approach mainstream western religion with a heavy dose of cynicism. I'm sure there are plenty of musicians today praising the same instincts and feelings that earlier musicians associated with the christian god (or any other established god for that matter), it's just that these feelings no longer manifest in praising god by name

now u fuked up

>i have to be intelligent to strum a guitar or repeat the word gucci over and over again

I mean, this is just fundamentally wrong (because I am a christian in 2018 and very creative), but like, why do you speak on behalf of things about which you have no understanding. Get out more. How many people do you actually know?

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this one is super avante garde

Its just a hobo singing the words "jesus blood never failed me" over and over again

However, the thread is about "contemporary religious" music, and I don't make religious music at all, even though I am a Christian, and right wing (and creative. I'm sick of you close minded troglodytes).

kek

>I am a Christian, and right wing
sickening t b h

Christianity is a religion that is thousands of years old and is responsible for some very beautiful music despite people judging it on like creed or some stupid shit

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If you find that sickening than you aren't somebody whose perspective I take into account.

Fuck you, bigoted relic. It's not "close minded" to be against regressive ideologies.
Christianity is backwards delusional brainwashing with close minded conservative adherents who are less open to art and new experience

haha this is actually bretty cool :3

There is nothing regressive about respecting the God of all creation, newfriend.

You have to be intelligent to write beautiful masterpieces like The Messiah, my man. I was saying that the kind of people who have a musical mind like Handel's probably aren't devoting it to god these days as a result of the general secularization of society

Because most of it is made for profit. That South Park christian rock episode is pretty accurate in a way.

you sound sad lol

>not understanding that most artists don't make any money, no matter the genre

who cars you fucking idiot. no one listens to classical music these days anyways

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They seem to be doing just fine to me.

Putting the second one on at different times in two tabs is pretty rad

God, I hope you're trolling

Nice book, I'd wipe ass my ass with it like I do with the bible

You're saying "most Christian art is made for profit" when in reality the only Christian art that becomes massively successful is whatever the industry Jews decide they want to project to the culture (most whatever will make Christianity look backwards and hickish). Most Christian art is never seen or heard by anyone, because most artists in general never crawl out of obscurity. How new are you?

i do

Go to bed, you have preschool in the morning.

>da Jews did this
And there it is
Once again proof christians are backwards regressive bigots

most contemporary music is bad

>most whatever will make Christianity look backwards and hickish
christianity IS backwards and hickish, tf are you talking about

That refutes nothing. Are you denying the over-representation of Jews in the media?

>da Jews
actually own the music industry. It's common knowledge. Of course, these are "secular Jews" and not Jews who still love and respect their heavenly Father. The book of Revelation describes them as the Jews who are not really Jews but are fake Jews who work for the synagogue of Satan. These are the Jews who run the media and basically the entire global elite.

Ok, if you met me, you wouldn't be able to say that about me. You just sound really young and sheltered t b h.

Yes
It's conspiracy bullshit
Conspiracy shit and theories like this will give nationalist groups power who won't make distinctions between "secular jews" and "good jews"

Discernment is the height of wisdom.

>implying you know anything about christianity
protip: islam is the real worldwide threat, not so much christianity anymore. wake up.

>The book of Revelation describes them as the Jews who are not really Jews but are fake Jews who work for the synagogue of Satan
what a spooked man

not young or sheltered, i was a right-wing christian in the past

Just look up every single owner of every mainstream music label. It's common knowledge that they're all Jewish. Not a conspiracy at all.

Even if that's true, it doesn't mean anything. A lot of French bakery owners are French. A lot of doctors are Asian.

>hmmm maybe if i deny reality it'll just all go away!

Literally every Christian I’ve known is an aesthetically stunted brainlet, and I know a lot as I live in the Bible Belt and come from a southern baptist family.

Christianity isnt even a political religion. The kingdom of god is in heaven. Jesus fucking hated rich people, and the bible is anti racist and says that you are a good person if you follow the bible.
The right wing in america was just smart enough to co op it as a voting base while libs were being snooty godless commies.

This is Neo-Nazi bullshit. Get out of here. Who cares if someone is a Jew or not? There's no proof besides an unsourced picture you found on Sup Forums

No, but the Bible did talk about these people.
Also, since they own the media, they are the ones who get to determine what Christianity will look like to the masses.

you can be left-wing and christian btw, it's rather spooked to imply they're mutually inclusive

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>being this new

>the proof is right in front of your fucking face
>NO PROOF NO PROOF REEEE

Simpleton.

You are being really fucking try hard if you dont think Christianity wasnt responsible for loads of amazing art

Yeah, you're right user. It's just a coincidence. :)

Are you Jewish, incidentally?

americans aren't real christians

Ok well I live in southern California and came to Christianity on my own terms... so we have different experiences. I'm an artist, I was before I was Christian and I still am (but I'm better now). Also, God is the source of all creativity, as He made everything there is.

A picture that just puts jewish stars next to pictures of people isnt proof of anything. And even if those people were jewish, who gives a shit. What does that prove?

there were lots of left wing christians.
The reason the civil war in america started was because a priest went bat shit insane and started killing white people and doing raids on slave farms

haha true bro

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Because they're actively working to turn young people into virtueless Marxists who truly believe that Christianity and white men are today's biggest social threats.

see: college campuses
see: the modern american education system, convincing people that the holocaust and the atlantic slave trade were the only gross events of human suffering on a mass scale in history

That the Jews are the corporate elite and media elite and control your mind and finances? They also own the big porn companies, every TV network, Youtube, you name any media property, 9 out of 10 times a Jew will be involved.

You people are so fucking paranoid. Quit drinking the Sup Forums koolaid and seeing people as monoliths. DA JOOS ARE TURNING THE KIDS GAY AND MAKING THEM RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE. Talk to people that arent Sup Forums posters Jesus fuck.

If you aren't interested in having a discussion, just say so. You're too trusting, that's your problem.

>liberal commies
This is my favorite villain faction.

>christian believes jewish cultural marxism and white genocide conspiracy

Wow, shocker. Christian? Regressive hick trash? Nooooooooooo

>le Sup Forums boogeyman
Every time, without fail.

Your first and lack mistake was to assume I'm a Christian. Care to try again?

You're posting literal Sup Forums jew conspiracies. Fuck off, brainwashed racist retard.

*last mistake

Quit unironically RRREEEEEEing.
It's possible for people to reach these conclusions a number of ways. Information is your friend, newfriend.

The same ones you aren't making any logical arguments against?

You can't accuse a group of millions of people of being behind nefarious things or "owning the media". It's fucking nonsense.

No one said it was millions of people (well maybe some people on Sup Forums unironically did), but the truth is that it's a very same percentile of ruling elite. They keep it all in the family, as it turns out.

I don't even give a shit if anyone is Jewish or not, it doesn't matter, literally only a racist neo nazi would give a shit about that or think Jews are behind some brainwashing conspiracy to make straight white christians look bad. It's just scapegoating and victim complex. Get a life.

Then call out the elites and nepotism, don't call out "The Jews" because that shit just gives power to white nationalists who want to go holocaust 2

small percentile*

I didn't say millions of people. Pay attention.

What do you think of our education system? Why did MTV put out a vid calling out white people a year or so ago? Remember that? Why do people unironically believe that you can't be racist against white people?

But the elites are all Jews, and that's useful information to keep in mind, ESPECIALLY when the thing in question they are in conflict with is Western, Christian civilization built by straight white men. You know, the civilization that kicked them out hundreds of times and tried to genocide them once?

how do people STILL not understand that Sup Forums is a LIB BOARD

GET OUT Sup Forums NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEE

>Contemporary

It’s the third word in the thread

Its not really nonsense. Jews are two percent of the american population but seem to be a vast majority of the people behind the media.

The jewish religion isnt very kind about Christianity. The religious jews think jesus is in hell being boiled alive in shit. It true, google that shit.

The non religious jews are usually tribalistic, working in their own peoples favor.


All of this being said pol are fucking idiots and simplify things too much. There are other various factions in play here. Like the WASPS, the han, the arabs, etc.

I already said it wasn't "all the Jews," but the Jews who say they are Jews but are fake Jews and actually work for the synagogue of Satan. Jesus spoke about them in Revelation.

I don't think education is brainwashing anybody, I think you just learn the facts and come to your own conclusions.

>MTV
Who cares about MTV? They put it out because their audience are "woke" socially conscious kids who lean left and they probably have a very left leaning hispanic dominated demo
>racist against whites
Because the impact just really isn't comparable due to historical factors. I don't care if a black person calls me whitey or cracker, no one does. If I call him nigger, he will flip shit, and rightfully so.

>how do people STILL not understand that Sup Forums is a LIB BOARD
Because it isn't...

Yeah, the Chinese even talk about Jews, it's just a very hush hush no no topic in Western media (and in turn popular culture/discourse in a mass culture dominated world) because, well, they fucking own it

You're right

Why does god punk himself

>Because the impact just really isn't comparable due to historical factors
way to oust yourself as totally uneducated. every ethnic group and nationality on the face of this earth has been guilty of just as much slavery and discrimination as the next. only americans follow your stupid mentality.

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don't tell me y'all fuccniggas don't bump this shit in the whip

HA

Well we're talking about American society and American whites are disrespectful towards blacks and always have been and they have had historically oppressed them

just a coincidence. nothing to see here.

that's a really beautiful photography, why do christian hate it?
>inb4 it's piss
yes but it's still a nice pic

Explain.

>he think the default color is blue for no reason
lmao

racism is illegal outside of Sup Forums and Sup Forums for a reason, sir

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