Everything from the novel is legends so his race is non specific anymore. The only thing we know is from the Episode III scene and a few references in the new book "Tarkin." It seems clear that Disney has plans for him in some way, shape or form.
If he's not Plageuis... he's probably one of the the Imperials who went into deep space under Palpatine's final orders. This is talked about in the Aftermath books.
Jesus you fucking spergs. Him being Plageus is pointless if most of the audience won't get it, and they won't. >b-but that line in dat movie I SAID MOST OF THE AUDIENCE YOU FUCKING SPERGS
it will not be Plageus and you're functionally retarded if you genuinely think there's any chance it will be
Nathan Hall
He's the boy who killed the girl at the original force tree that birthed the Jedi and the Sith.
The girl was reincarnated into Anakin, and then into Rey.
Justin Nelson
if not plagueis it's probably a totally new character who would need a backstory, so ask yourself why needing to explain who plagueis is would be a dealbreaker
Jason Sanders
A new character.
Sup Forums please don't overthink this like Sup Forums did for Skullface. He is a new character.
Zachary Foster
It doesn't matter if the Audience doesn't remember Palpatine talking about him. If it is revealed they will explain it by having him talk about the story from his point of view and what he thought of Palpatine. The only thing that matters for average audience is that they understand he's the new big bad. That's good enough for the story to follow.
From a star wars fan who knows about it, most of the people will get it.
It's not stupid. He's going to be someone from that time period. We already know that he saw the Empire rise and fall.
Hudson Ramirez
He's a new character, there is 0% chance otherwise.
Charles Myers
They played Plagueis' music for him. If he's not Plagueis it's a bit of a betrayal, I know I'll be pissed.
Ayden Sanders
But could he be Naga Sadow? He could be Naga Sadow.
Jonathan Perry
I mean I guess if he's like Plagueis' master or has some other relationship to Plagueis it could be okay.
Jonathan Bailey
Palpatine never had a back story beyond political climber.
Aaron Richardson
you know who it is. search your feelings
Brayden King
Stay mad, sorry you wasted your time reading all that EU
Why would making a new character who is Plagueis' master be okay and not an already canon established Darth Plagueis?
Brody Wilson
please be real then we can finally bury star wars forever
Jose Young
Snoke is Mace Window
Levi Sanders
He's Plageuis, he's got the hole in the head from when Sheev killed him. Dudes an obvious force zombie.
Thomas Garcia
I've never read any sw novel dummy, I was arguing against it
Daniel Powell
I can buy the hole rey is "born out of the force" like Anakin.. hence "the awakening."
I never watched it, but are you referring to the force tree they talk about in the clone wars cartoon? Is there really an ancient backstory and is this all canon?
Jacob Nelson
Here's some food for thought:
What if Snoke is not a force user at all? I believe he is, but just a thought.
Xavier Morales
Anakin was deliberately created by a person. Well it's implied at least. It only makes sense of he's Plagious because then he crest Rey and Ani. It's like poetry it rhymes
Colton Cruz
It won't be Plagueis.
Snoke will be an unknown first apprentice of Emperor Palpatine, before Darth Maul, who failed him and was nearly killed. He sat in the shadows for decades attaining power and took over after Palpatine died.
It'll be so boring a reveal that he'll probably be unceremoniously killed off by Kylo, Rey, or Luke immediately after the audience finds out.
Anthony Phillips
Snoke's an anti-smoking spokesman.
Justin Cooper
>Luke's saber falls down a shaft: gets found >Luke falls down shaft: lives >Palpatine gets thrown down shaft: presumed dead I'm cool with sheev being alive.
Mason Morris
BLM out RRRREEEEEEEEE
Evan Price
Snoke is the part of Vader that Luke did not save. Some kind of Force abomination kept "alive" by the dark side.
Carter Perry
So the current big bad is a cuck of Palpatine, Palpatine whose relative power level is lower than Luke's... Luke is still alive, he literally has no threat in the galaxy. Zzzz story telling
Juan Rivera
based Sheev still running shit
Brandon Adams
that's gay as hell your gay
Angel Barnes
Disney's policy toward the prequels is "they happened but let's not talk about it ever."
There's nothing to be gained by going back to the prequel well, so they won't.
Anthony Thomas
I'm just saying that the music used for Snoke was Plagueis', and they need at least SOME connection to Plageuis to justify the use of that music. Obviously I'd prefer it was Plagueis.
Kevin Barnes
Already been downloaded that path with Revan.
Jose Jenkins
From my point of view that would be boring. What would be awesome is finding out that the Master who learned the most powerful secrets to the force outsmarted his apprentice.
That same secret that Sheev (truthfully or not) used as a means for Anakin to the turn to the darkside.
It would connect all 6 of the movies making him seem much more powerful than anything else they could come up with. Anything else would just be boring and "oh hey another bad guy we knew nothing about."
Star wars is about connections and relationships and family. People hate everything being so connected, but they fail to see this has always been Star Wars.
Imagine if Snoke could foresee everything that Anakin would become and developed the entire plan to create the Empire using Palpatine. Palpatine thought he killed him and stole his plans and future premonitions. However, Palpatine never was able to see Vader turning on him. Maybe Snoke knew this would happen. Makes everything much more interesting.
Look at Grevious. He's a cool character. Would have been nice to see more of him. Maul might have been cooler if we knew more about him as well. Dooku had more time than them both, but still lacked much of a story to make us really fear him as a villain.
I think that will be the same reaction we get if Snoke is just some completely new character with no connection to prior movies. Making him Plageuis who outplayed the Emperor makes complete sense from a story making perspective.
Julian Flores
I agree. Glad you brought up the music... I remember recognizing it when I first watched the movie... but I completely forgot.
Leo Baker
Yeah that must be with Star Wars Rebels brought back Maul and keep revisiting Clone Wars era plots.
Disney purchased the prequels and intend on keeping them apart of the universe.
We already know that episode 8 will have more mention to the prequel era.
Christian Wilson
Umm Luke is never shown to be more powerful. Palpatine's non combat force skills alone makes him more powerful than anyone we have seen so far.
He's never even been intentionally beaten in combat.
Ayden Mitchell
>They're using Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor in the next movies >Soundtrack is reimagined since prequels >Literally talks about the rise and fall of the Empire in the movie Sure, buddy, Disney is just going to ignore half of the franchise they paid billions for
Fucking mongoloid
Sebastian Gonzalez
They paid billions for new stuff to drive toy sales, not to get a few million from future reruns of the prequels.
Easton Parker
this is gold. prequelfags vs disneyshts
Luke Reed
Look they are not going to remake the prequels or anything. They are including it in the story of future films. It's just behind the scenes connections is what it comes down to. It's not like they are bringing back Jar Jar Binks.
Star wars came as a package deal. The 6 movies are and always will be a story together. You are an idiot if you think otherwise. The new movies, books, and storylines will connect with the prequels, like it or not.
Carter Gray
You're legitimately a retard I'm sorry I shouldn't have insulted someone with a real handicap
Ian Robinson
>palpatine you fucking cock
Justin Morgan
I'm not the other guy, but I can't see referencing prequel films in any non-trivial way. There will never be an "It's true...all of it" moment referencing them, no Jar Jar, nothing. They might make him Plageius just because it's handy in-movie lore already from a brief bit of filler (but then again he would have been ancient already in the prequels, to say nothing of 60 years later.)
Zachary Roberts
He's a big guy
Justin Lee
Lando?
Jace Fisher
What video game is this?
Mason Johnson
>Implying he isn't Gallius Rax Here me out. Shit starts to add up. >He's a brand new character >Born on Jakku before the clone wars start meaning he was around to see the rise and fall of the empire >Resists Palpatines force mind probe >He basically becomes the emperor's assistant >Becomes Fleet Admiral of the Empire >After that he makes himself the secret leader of the Empire after Palpatine dies Shit adds up. If it isn't him I'll eat my own dick.
James Robinson
>Rey, I am your father
Jaxson Bell
>Darth Plageuis Nope.
Not happening, no one cares about him.
Asher Jones
Sounds probable. Were those books made to compliment Ep. 8 and what becomes of Rax
Justin Edwards
Why does no one bring up the fact that Sheev killed Pleagieus?
Michael Rivera
No one cared about Anakin, until he put on the mask
Cameron Foster
Why is he so tall?
Ian Kelly
There is no such thing as Plagueis' music. It's called Palpatine's Teachings, and it shows up numerous times. It's just "evil dark side boss" music.
Gabriel Richardson
He'll be revealed in a prequel and then explained in a spinoff and referenced in a requel reboot and have cameo in a spinboot squeakquel
Joshua Walker
Jesus christ they already said Pelagius is a totally new character, no need to keep making this thread every day
Henry Green
The aftermath trilogy was written to fill the gap between 6 and 7. The last book comes out next month
Dylan Hughes
Because Plagueis was obsessed with becoming immortal.
Ian Wilson
It's only played three times in the entire franchise. The first is when Sheev tells Anakin the story of Plageuis and his apparentice. The second is when Anakin discovers that Sheev WAS Plageuis' apprentice. The third is when Kylo meets Snoke.
It's not just "evil dark side boss" music, because it never plays for ANY other "evil dark side boss", not even Sheev at any point during III after he becomes Emperor. Sheev has his own music, it's called The Emperor's Theme and plays in virtually all of his scenes.
Playing that particular music over Snoke is not a coincidence. It is either a subtle indication of a reveal that is yet to come, or it is intentionally misleading. Those are literally the only two options.
Easton Murphy
This seems most likely, the only thing against it is that Disney is unlikely to take a character that has this much non-movie vital information and give him a prominent role in the film. They usually expend on characters in the EU after they are done with them in the movies, not the other way around.
Aside from that, I fear that this would "too boring" for Disney. Every god damn Marvel movie needs to have the whole planet and universe at stake, and I suspect that the ST will have similar stakes. They hinted in the first book that Snoke may be source of the darkside from beyond the rim.
And that seems more likely what Disney would go for then just regular guy that climbed up the ranks.
Elijah Parker
He's a guardian of the whills like Churro in Rogue One
Oliver Torres
They even have the same robe
Gabriel Foster
when anikan died his force ghost split in two. One became good anikan from the end of ROTJ the other became evil nasty Snoke.
Guarantee this faggotry is what is going to happen. It's why Kylo is so into him.
Brayden Smith
>The second is when Anakin discovers that Sheev WAS Plageuis' apprentice. There is no such scene in the movies and you know it. The movies don't even state that Plagueis is anything more than a legend. It was EU that turned him into a physical character.
>because it never plays for ANY other "evil dark side boss" It was composed for Episode 3 and Lucas had no more plans for more movies. That's why it only plays in this one. It's not the same piece that happens in TFA either, it just shares structure with it. Thematically, it plays when Sheev is turning/corrupting Anakin. Similar shit happens with Snoke/Kylo.
>Playing that particular music over Snoke is not a coincidence. It is either a subtle indication of a reveal that is yet to come, or it is intentionally misleading. Maybe, but I'd be willing to bet money that Williams is just reusing themes from the past.
Plageuis simply isn't important or popular enough for Disney to mislead the audience like that, or to even hide his identity if it's true.
Levi King
he's most likely going to be related to Maz, because everyone in star wars is related to each other
Nathaniel Miller
Reminder that Snoke lives on a "casino planet". Bravo Disney!
William Gomez
...
Michael Jackson
for those of you who don't remember the new unmemorable characters.
Christian Torres
>anus eyes y
Carter Jones
>There is no such scene in the movies and you know it. What are you talking about? It absolutely is. I don't remember what scene immediately precedes or succeeds it, but it goes roughly like: >Sheev is looking at Death Star plans >Anakin comes in and says hi >Sheev gets under Anakin's skin and tells him the Jedi don't trust him >Sheev tells him that he wants to help train him >Anakin asks how he knows >Sheev says that his master taught him about the dark side (literally leading directly on from the previous use of the music where he told Anakin that Plageis taught his apprentice about the dark side) >Sheev tells him that he can save Padme just like he said Plageuis could save people from dying And then I think Anakin bails and runs to Windu. It's been a little while since I watched the film.
>It's also more realistic for him to play matchmaker between Jane and a creature she actually liked rather than Oh, come on. That's a little obtuse. Sheev was clearly, CLEARLY talking about himself in that scene as the apprentice who killed his master in his sleep. I dunno if the EU has gone and fucked that and made it so Sheev wasn't his apprentice but that's very obviously what Sheev was saying.
I've also never touched the EU.
Brody Long
Holy Fuck. Is this a cartoon?
Angel Jones
Lol i totally forgot about this thing. This character was a mistake
Hudson Long
I would not take anything Sheev said at face value. There is no indication in the movie that Sheev isn't just bullshitting him and that Palgueis exists. In fact, right after Anakin falls and joins him Sheev outright tells that he was bullshitting and he has no idea how to save his wife. But don't worry, we'll figure it out later.
Anyway, Lucas stated that the whole Plagueis stuff is supposed to be ambiguous, but is essentially irrelevant to the story of Anakin. There is no indication anywhere that he considered him anything more than a throwaway legend/character.
It was the EU novels that turned him into an actual character with a backstory confirming some of what Sheev had aid to be true. But EU never really applies to the movies so its a moot point.
More importantly Plagueis simply is too obscure to be at the center of a plot twist. He's a neat wookipeida footnote/article but he is not very important in the context of the movies.
Austin Powell
That's only because the hologram of him has been blown up in scale. Probably to intimidate those in the room.
Jackson Cruz
He'll be like a sith Yoda who's been alive for thousands of years
Julian Ward
I'd be really disappointed if it wasn't Plagueis and it's just a new character instead. It'll just seem so disconnected from rest of the saga that it may as well be a standalone star wars. This is considering for all 6 movies, Sheev was the mastermind, but then all of a sudden it's some new guy for the sequel trilogy. Who knows, it might turn out well but it just seems off.
Parker Cruz
I'd be dossapointed if it was him. Sheev was supposed to kill him
Aaron Edwards
Same, I'll be disappointed if it is Plagueis.
Dylan Morris
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Zachary Peterson
It will be Plageuis
It's a chance for disney to appease the prequel fans pissed about VII
Movies LOVE to use reuse the same characters or any name recognition - creating a brand new character or concept is much more risky. See ep VII, Rogue One
I actually think it would be great to connect the series, and this was one of the most Kino scenes in the prequels
I suppose it doesn't necessarily have to be Plagueis but someone that would make sense aside from it being a brand new character that happened to be "lurking in the shadows" since the clone wars.
Zachary Brown
He's probably going to be from beyond the outer rim and beyond the known galaxy, if that helps.
Carter Richardson
I can appreciate most of that, but I certainly wouldn't call him obscure. That was one of my favourite scenes in the whole prequel trilogy, probably my favourite in III. The scene where he tells him the story, I mean.
Also, just because we haven't seen Plageuis doesn't make him real. We didn't see Jabba until VI but we still knew he was around, because people spoke of him. And he is obviously more "real" in terms of the franchise than an entirely new character.
Jaxon Edwards
>It's a chance for disney to appease the prequel fans pissed about VII Wait what? Prequel fans are mad at TFA? Since when?
James Russell
>plagueis >snoke
I don't know what Lucas George is on but the names he comes up with are utterly retarded.
Logan Sanders
Wrong. Plageuis is brought up again in Disney's book.
The music was ONLY used in the Opera scene in Episode 3. Disney used that music for a reason.
Even if Lucas had no plans for Plagueis to survive, it doesn't mean Disney couldn't decide to write their new movies based on it.
Matthew Garcia
Well obscure compared to iconic Star Wars characters. I don't think a Plagueis reveal would have much of an impact. Most people would simply not get it, and it would still require a ton of exposition as if he was a new character.
Whatever the twist is, and I'm sure there will be one, has to at least try to match the one in ESB. We cared in ESB because we have a full movie with Vader and Luke already. Snoke turning out to be someone that has never been on screen but mentioned once in the prequels doesn't match it. While I'm sure Snoke will be somehow involved in the twist, it will primarily revolve around Rey, Kylo and Luke. Those are the characters the audience already universally cares for and any twist that changes the relationship between these characters will have an emotional impact.
Landon Moore
Doesn't help that he's pretty one-dimensional, has a shitty design, and came out of nowhere. He could at least have something cool or important about him. Sidious was one-dimensional too, but at least he was fun and essential for the whole original saga.
Camden Clark
>reverse adam & eve or some gendered shit
sounds like Disney's Star Wars
Logan Powell
But, anyways, at least Kylo Ren is an actual good character. I just wish Snoke wasn't there at all.
Jonathan Thompson
>Wrong. Plageuis is brought up again in Disney's book. I know, but that wasn't relevant to what we were discussing. Also, the fact that Disney let the author incorporate him like that into their new canon tells me how little they care about Plagueis.
>The music was ONLY used in the Opera scene in Episode 3. >Disney used that music for a reason. Pretty sure it plays more than once in the movie, or at least a similar motiff plays multiple times. We'll see if it was an just Williams reusing themes or some grand plan sooner or later though.
>Even if Lucas had no plans for Plagueis to survive, it doesn't mean Disney couldn't decide to write their new movies based on it. Sure, I just think it's unlikely and not worth the pay off for Disney to do so.
Bentley Morris
I agree. This is one of the best scenes in the movie. Mostly because Ian McDiarmid's acting and John Williams music.
Xavier Perry
Well he made Kylo fall somehow. It will probably be part of the twist in the next film. I'm sure he'll be more important after the next movie, but it won't help that he looks like an oversized Gollum.
Easton Hughes
YOU PULL THEIR RIGHT ARMS IN THEIR RIGHT ARMS OUT IN OUT IN OUT SHAKE THEM ALL ABOUT YOU DO THE SNOKEY SNOKEY AND YOU TURN AROUND THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT
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Jason Ramirez
no one knows not even the writers at this point
they probably have a vague idea but you have to be a retard to think he is going to be link to a single line from the prequels
he will probably be an original sith or some shit who was awakened and returned after the apparent death of the dark side with sheev and vader. something simple. because its a kids movie.
Josiah Reed
Well he does need a reason why he fell to the Darkside. Snoke at least implies there is a good reason.
Dylan Hill
Technically the Sith are supposed to be extinct but you right that Disney was hinting at him being the first darksider/source of the darkside in one book. That sounds dumb, but right up their alley.
Daniel Anderson
No that would be blasphemy to prewuel fans. Sheev killed Pleageis. No one wanted him to secretly not have been killed and either cowering somewhere for decades or just being able to not die due to some OP force bullshit. Also, we had an idea based on the EU what he looked like, or imagined what he looked like but being a generic deformed human (like sheev) eould ve super lame
Adam Edwards
the only way the existence of this character makes sense is if he's Plagueis.
John Davis
They'll remake the prequels, but only when the current trilogy ends and the spin-offs start tanking and they need a way to rebuild the brand.
Rebooting the franchise HAS to be one of the long games of Disney, especially since they will NEVER have the home video rights to A New Hope.
The ONLY thing that keeps Disney from openly saying that the prequels are no longer canon/will be replaced with remakes in the new Disney canon, is that the prequels and Clone Saga still sell extremely well. The Prequel DVDs and Clone Wars box sets do healthy business and the merch for the Clone Wars/Prequels also does robust business.
The prequels are safe so long as they keep making money/Disney keeps making money off of Star Wars. Once one of the two happens, then all bets are off.