Is it possibIe to truly appreciate and understand film without ever having gone outside?
when so much of cinema (particularly hollywood cinema) revolves around human conflict, how can you really claim to understand it when you have no frame of reference or experience yourself?
I just have no idea when it comes to romance movies, what any of what they're going through feels like but I still enjoy them a fair bit.
I go outside and socialise a lot tho.
I think most of us have gone outside. We just quickly realized it was a mistake.
I've done some traveling and it didn't change my cinematic experience. At most you say, "Oh, I saw that in real life before" and that's it.
who the fuck has never gone outside?
lol to live a life and having never experienced human conflict you'd have to literally be a vegetable
something like that foes beyond film. to not understand film like you say, that person would not be able to understand any kind of storytelling
Mmmm
Hollywood movies aren't some intricate and deep pieces of high art. They're movies.
People who make them don't include some grand plots about the human condition, it's just stuff that more or less makes sense. Interactions and dialogue are supposed to move the plot forward, the plot is supposed to be interesting so the movie sells.
There isn't much to understand. All you have to do is be able to follow the chain of events, maybe know some pop culture references. The aim of the movie is to entertain you.
Do you only watch capeshit?
Movies aren't art. They're the least intellectually demanding medium of all.
I'm sure you could point out some "kino", however OP was asking more about hollywood cinema.
Does hollywood cinema not incorporate thousands upon thousands of movies? Some of which are considered to have concepts and imagery which conveys a message? Supplies commentary on society?
I don't know what you mean, you're just referring to the shit films that come out of hollywood, there are a lot of good ones too.
Go back to /lit/, which is where I assume you spend your time.
Yes, they do all that, I'm not saying that I don't enjoy movies. However I enjoy them as the entertainment medium which they are, and don't pretend they're some sort of profound pieces of art.
I'm sorry for sounding condescending, but cinema simply isn't as aimed or capable in that direction. It's predominantly a product, a group venture, meant to sell and be easily digestible.
And I understand all that and still enjoy it.
Well that's just you, for you it might just provide brainless entertainment, but no that's not all they're about.
There are a lot like that yes, but some do try to make the viewer think, and the work that goes in to absolutely every scene in a good movie can be broken down and analysed - the camera lens, the filter, the shot, the cuts, the colours, the dialogue, the sounds, the lighting etc. it all gets taken in to account in the best movies and you can really tell. You don't really get to decide what is "profound" nor even what is "art".
OP is right when he says these movies usually revolve around human conflict as well - and almost none of what you said even applies to what OP said.
You're only talking about one kind of cinema, Hollywood/narrative, when there are many others, such as documentary and avant-garde.
I'm not saying that it's brainless entertainment, or that it doesn't require thinking. I'm saying it's predominantly entertainment, easier to follow and requiring less investment from the viewer than other mediums. To such an extent that anyone can appreciate it just going straight into it, or with really minimal preparation. Thinking comes as an extra, not as a prerequisite.
I'm talking about cinema as a whole. There might be people trying to make it into art, however they still come across the same problems, and are still only able to achieve less than other mediums.
What would you say is the movie you've watched with the most artistic merit?
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The Justice League Film Series' DC Motion Picture: The Man of Steel (2013)
You're just making cinema sound better and better to me - not only is it able to achieve what other mediums do as an "extra", it is also extremely easy for anyone to consume? To fully appreciate the best movies, thinking is required, I don't think being able to appreciate movies without thinking makes them a "lesser" art form - that makes no sense to me.
I'm really interested as to what you think constitutes this "high art" or whatever, because anyone can go in to an art gallery and appreciate a painting without knowing what any of the imagery means, music can be appreciated without profound lyrics, books can be appreciated even when you don't understand the sublte undertones and metaphors the book is trying to convey.
Maybe if you tried to get into art with the same fervor you try to defend cinema, you'd understand.
Once you get exposed to enough you'll see how ridiculous movies are in comparison.
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I never actually understood the concept of love in any art form till I actually fell in love
Watching a film is no more than watching a flashier high school play. It isn't even remotely like real life. Thinking that it is, will delude you to hell and back.
hahaha! an upside down chin!