His team can get unironically relocated

>his team can get unironically relocated

why do americans do this

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Because we have franchises, not clubs.

Instead of your shitty city being relegated, your team just moves to a more worthwhile of a team city.

Americans are philosophically more willing to move than to give up, so there's also that.

please provide an example of a team getting ironically relocated.

The Chargers

The Los Angeles Chargers

houston oilers

Really? Out of all the shitty things in sports you pick relocation?

I'd rather have relocation than my "clubs" be owned by foreign investors and display ads bigger than the "crests".

LA Chargers
Also user, I hate the idea of relocation just as much as you do. Don't assume we like it.

>I'd rather have relocation than my "clubs" be owned by foreign investors
semi-domestic billionaires that bilk taxpayer money to fund stadiums are better how?
>display ads bigger than the "crests"
what's the ratio of play to commercial time in an NFL broadcast again?

>this post
OUCH

delusion: the post

>display ads bigger than the "crests".
NBA now has commercial breaks AND ads on the jerseys. we're getting double cucked dude, its the worst of both worlds

I'd rather watch them play in clown outfits then watch 100 adverts a quarter

wow, i can't even imagine noticing or caring about this kind of thing. Sorry about your autism.

You're the one who brought up the ads on the jersey

No, I'm a third party shit talker.

Seattle SuperSonics
New Orlean Hornets
New Jersey Nets
Charlotte Bobcats

then why snap at me instead of the guy who originally shitposted about the same thing? hmmmmm

I've got better things to do than read whole threads

i 'd trade my left nut for that man's facial hair genes

The Philadelphia Piledrivers

the ted nugent's nuggets

because we are cucks?

That pizza looks disgusting

Wimbledon FC to Milton Keynes

>Unintrusive shirt advert
>TV advert every 11.3 seconds of game time
>3 hours of adverts and 11 minutes of game play
Hmmm

thank you for your honesty

how does it work? let's say a fan of the patiots living in boston will still support the patriots if they move to LA and he won't support the new franchise in this city or is it the other way around?

the raiders

yeah because having a sponsor is the same as your club going to another different city and basically assuming a completely new identity.

So you admit that american sports are 100% cash grabs?

>There are currently 24 U.S. states without major sports teams

So are these states just full of bandwagoners then?

World Trade Center :^)

they just watch college """""""sports"""""" then afaik

it's like someone in europe following youth leagues exclusively

>foreigners own most relevant European teams
Don't act like that's much worse. At least American franchises are owned by Americans.
Of course, our league and the Brazilian's are the best because not only do the teams belong to the cities but we also don't have Russian, Chinese or Arab owners

>he doesn't support the GOAT team that will literally never move

They are owned by Americans because there are so few of them, and owners won't sell their golden eggs goose. Owning a NFL team is 100% guaranteed revenues no matter what happen, why would you sell it? It literally happens only when owner DIES

This. The Packers are the only acceptable American team to be a fan of.

What if you're not from Green Bay?

American teams are like TV channels. Matters not where they are or what they show but who owns them and their money. That's why there were so many LA/Miami teams but they chose to create new ""franchises"" for the sake of the MLS

Still better than a Qatari owning your team. Again, Argentinian clubs are the best because they belong to the cities and the members choose the presidents in elections. European clubs where that happens are on the same level of course as the best in the world, but unfortunately because oil money and such buying out the big teams, those honest teams cannot compete
I don't think that moving is any worse than being owned by Arabs. Especially when moving is something that almost doesn't happen at all, it's something being way overblown.

What's more: that relocated team also takes all the championships won by that team as their own. The LA Lakers claim to have 16 championships, when for 5 of those were won by the Minneapolis Lakers.

Everyone is welcome. Only publicly owned North American major pro sports franchise. Green Bay only has a population of 105k. The Packers being the undisputed GOAT NFL team is like Chesterfield FC being the GOAT english club

I agree with you it's a problem, but if you are from a part of the country that actually matters you will never have your team relocated.

American sports have always been about profit.

New Orleans Jazz to Utah

And what parts of the country matter?
California and New York?

Didn't your last election precisely show that those "irrelevant" states in the middle of nowhere matter as well.
Clinton had exactly your attitude and didn't give a shit about those pointless states and then got BTFO by exactly the people from those states.

>Argentinian clubs are the best because they belong to the cities and the members choose the presidents in elections

They might be better but they are in no way "the best". They are corrupt, puppets of political parties, allied with barras and involved in criminal organization, probably reaching the likes of drugdealing.

What about MK Dons and RB Leipzig?

There are lots of nfl and mlb teams that will never move because of muh history

The difference being that when football teams "relocate" like that they don't carry their original identity and fanbase. They just become new teams unlike

>its a muslim buys a soccer team and wins the league with oil money and customers brag about how grateful they are their teams never relocate post

I would actually defend that as watching lower division teams, since college handegg is basically a second division. Not defending relocation, just saying

don't believe it's a scam. you'll basically buy a paper that gives you no special right whatsoever
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Isn't most NBA and NFL "franchises" owned by kikes?

in what way were those ironic?

>unintrusive

i can't agree with the guy you were responding to, but lets not pretend that popular sports everywhere aren't descending into a pretty disgusting money grab. at least for a lot of club teams its more about staying competitive and not about generating profits, unlike our franchises.

Lol red or blue states don't matter, it's just a few in the middle that matter. No one here is talking about your Sup Forums bullshit. California doesn't matter much for pro sports either outside a few teams. If your team is from New York, Boston, Philly, Dallas, etc. you don't have to worry about relocation shit.

Why would you support a team from a different state than the one you live in?

Seattle, Washington has a good fanbase and the owner moved it to some flyover middle of nowhere state like Oklahoma.

depends on the person really. neither are okay, relocation is pretty deplorable in most cases.

I find it extremely hard to believe that there are only 32 teams playing at the highest level of American Football. The UK's population is 5 times smaller than the USA's and we have 92 professional football teams in the English league system. That's not even counting the ones in the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish leagues. Do Americans really not give enough of a shit about American football to play it?

our Football is played by anybody, at any age, you have clubs for company employees, factory workers, pub friends, etc.
So you have thousands of teams in a country. You gotta organize all this mess in levels of play, from top tier to regional bottom tier (the infamous pyramid that every country has)

Their handegg IS NOT played by adults.
It has this structure:
high school -> college -> pro league
nothing outside of this

Why don't adult Americans play handegg as hobby? because it's fucking dangerous (you'll die if you're not properly trained), because it's too complicated (our football just ask 1 referee, their handegg demands 20 referees), because it's too expansive (you need 100 helmets + 100 padding for 2 teams)

And of those 92 about 5 actually matter.

They don't get a say. They're cucks. A single guy runs and effectively owns all their teams.

Because greedy billionaires found a way to get taxpayers to pay billions for new stadiums all while they can overcharge those same taxpayers to visit

well all of them do, English football is far, far, far, far better attended than American Football per capita, even if you look at all the individual towns and cities

You people forget so quickly sports are a business. They don't belong to any city. They have an owner. The owners will do what they think will help the business.

>greedy billionaires found a way to get taxpayers to pay billions

I don't remember 'stadium proposal' ever being on a ballot. Taxpayers dont have a say. Its all mayor's office that get swayed with 'booming tourism and restaurants and 10k jobs created and brand new transportation' lines.

>sports are a business
"No."

>sports are a business

Our clubs are rooted in our communities, it's not that simple.

Why do Americans always roll belly-up for "businessmen"?

>yes sir, I'll do 50 hours a week and get about 3 days of paid holiday annually

In 1984, the Baltimore Colts get moved to Indianapolis.
In 1995, the Cleveland Browns then get moved to Baltimore, and renamed to the Baltimore Ravens.
In 1999, the NFL expands to 32 teams, and the Cleveland Browns get reborn as an expansion team.
In Cleveland's first game back, they lose 43-0 at their new home and finish the season 2-14.
About 4 months later, the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, 5 years after leaving Cleveland.
From 1999-2017, the new Browns have had 2 winning seasons, one playoff appearance, and 0 playoff wins. Last year they went 1-15.
Meanwhile, in 2012, the Ravens won another Super Bowl.

I think in all of that, some of it comes close to irony.

you need to rethink your post m8, because it makes you look pretty stupid.

highschool and college sort of fill the niche of lower-tier teams in your world. adults who aren't highly compensated probably shouldn't be playing handegg desu, its murderous

>manchester united is not a business

lads........

They've been brainwashed into thinking that every employee protection measure is immediately communist and "unamerican"

this is also why they reject universal healthcare and prefer to overpay their hospital stays and reject free universities and prefer to accumulate ridiculously high student debts

>some english guy has attendance figures for 3 divisions of college football and highschool

you should delete your post if you can m8. you might be right, but none of us have any idea because that data doesn't exist

In what way? It's exactly corret.

>brainwashing only impacts half the population

weird desu

Because Manure has been successful and is somehow successful now
They are run as a business but their purpose is to play football. If tomorrow the PL fold and nobody cares about football there will still be some passionnate guys from Manchester playing football at Manure. Started as a small club, could end up as a small club: literally what happened to Munchen 1860
Not sure you can say the same about the Baltimore ravens or Los Angeles chargers

utterly irelevant.

we have NFL statistics, and they're already lower. your lower down clownbox leagues arent going to be better attended

sorry to tell you that mate

american professional sports are businesses. college sports are pseudo-business (they aren't profit seeking, they don't distribute profits to owners, and they aren't entities to appreciate for sale). Lots of euro and south american clubs are non-profit entities controlled by non-owning stakeholders with no financial interest.

college football has much higher attendance than NFL, this is demonstrable. just admit you're uninformed and you shouldnt' have had an opinion on the matter.

also please apologize to us for filling the threaad with your nonsense, then maybe we will forgive you and validate your future posts.

I don't see how you can develop a true passion for a team if it's not a local team. Bandwagoners don't know what being a fan of a local club feels like. It's actually the warmest feeling ever but you would never know that feel if your club keeps getting relocated or you're an international bandwagoner.

luckily those aren't the only two options for most of us

I imagine that high school and college handegg teams are more similar to the youth academies. The major difference would be that youth academies are directly linked to professional clubs where as high school/college handegg teams aren't.

The real "niche" of lower-tier football teams is that most people will still have a local professional team that plays in the lower leagues if they don't live in London/Manchester/Liverpool/etc. If you live in a irrelevant state without a NFL team, you have no professional team to watch. And the lower-tier English teams can eventually make it to the highest level and win the Premier League if they get good enough. A college handegg team will never win the superb owl.

Lol no

The Cleveland browns did though

Because we have states
And it’s only relocating teams within the country not out of country, the only examples that differ are hockey and baseball

>t-they're my team because I live within 2 miles of the stadium
>r-real connection? b-but muh proximity......

Only actual connection you can have to a sports team is what we have with college football. We attended the school, associated with the players and partook in the traditions on a personal level. being in close proximity to the ground "your" team plays at gives you no more connection to someone 100 miles away who feels just as passionate

its not like youth academies, because youth academies aren't more representative of a smaller locality than the senior club. It's the exact opposite with high school and college sports here. its apples and oranges to some extent, but they local aspect isn't really carried by professional teams in the US. the country is so spread out and we don't have pro/rel, so our pro teams represent metro areas.

>college football has much higher attendance than NFL, this is demonstrable
prove it

i think its more a situation of being in a city or neighborhood where everyone is supporting the same thing that represents you. pure tribalism. added bonus if the clubs structure allows supporters to dictate aspects of club management.

We play different versions because it's too expensive and too much work to always get 22 people. So we normally just play tackle football without lineman (typically the defense has to count to 4 before they can cross the original line and the first downs are at like 20 yards instead of 10).

They are a business, indeed they set the blueprint for commercialisation in British football, which combined with their on-field success has made them the global brand they are now.

However, even in their extreme example, for all the executive boxes and foreign fans, they are just one of Manchester's football clubs, who will always play in Manchester (well Trafford) and be supported by people from Manchester.

I know they're limited by stadium capacity, but even with them getting 70k+ every game, and Man City getting 50k+, in the same area smaller clubs like Bolton, Wigan, Bury, Oldham, even non-league teams like Stockport and FC United of Manchester, are still getting decent attendances in the thousands. Football runs deep in this country.

our biggest stadiums are all college football stadiums and there are over 100 top-tier college football teams vs. 32 nfl teams. it's not even close on a weekly basis desu. i'm not going to google something simple for some retard tho.

The worst part of it's people from other states accepting an outsider team. Literally cuckold psychology in action.

Do you know that you can register in any football club whatever is your level?
I can register at PSG and play in their 8th level team.
Can you do the same with "your" NFL team?

If the teams were just called The Lakers, or The Celtics, then fine, they're just like a circus that comes to town, and doesn't belong to any place. But they are Los Angeles, and Boston first, then Lakers and Celtics. They leech off the idea of community to draw people to their events. People take local pride very seriously, and the team becomes an icon of their collective identity. Then to pack up and leave because they figure it's better elsewhere, or worse, because they tried to blackmail the city/taxpayers into paying for a stadium, failed, then followed through on their threat is fucking atrocious. As an added fuck you, they take the history of the team with them. The city's people came to those games, a lot worked at those games, supported the team, and supported it to a championship, or some kind of honour. The new city has no memories from that era, they weren't there, but now they're champions back in 1958. It's not just a business, it's a touchstone and meeting place for a community; there are innumerable alternate worlds where people from Green Bay don't say they're from Green Bay, they just say Wisconsin.

that's pretty cool, but in the most extreme sense this is just cosplaying for fanboys.

it's not as if you'd be buddies with neymar.

>most college fans are alumni and not local middle-aged people

Careful mate, there's absolute bollocks coming out of you.

t. Cornell student