Hillary may have cheated to win the nomination, but we still got our $15 an hour! How do you like that, poltards?

Hillary may have cheated to win the nomination, but we still got our $15 an hour! How do you like that, poltards?

Great... now your mom is gonna want 15 bux for a beej.

Really makes me think, honestly.

>no citation
Why does occupy democrats exist?

Just let that sink in, user

Because you fall for their bait.

>country has problems because immigrants come in and work low wages
>raise the minimum wage

I saged so idk about you

Sup Forums jacks off to anime

I make 65,000 salary....$15 hr, pshhhhh

You do know that some companies are not able to pay that much to their workers? And you are aware that some people prefer working for 10$/h than not working at all, because of not being well educated or suited for the job? And you do realise that they WILL KEEP WORKING for less than 15$ anyway so the legislation will just make life harder for them? Kys.

The small company that I work at would not be able to afford this. Full stop. I'm not completely privy to their finances, but I know we basically scape even with enough left over to invest in our infrastructure. All of our clients are contractual and we set the rate for the duration of the contract when it's signed, so there would be no way to readjust our pricing. On top of that, we would probably lose a bunch of clients that also tanked due to increased labor costs.

God, this shit pisses me off so much. I would probably lose a job I love over this shit.

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without reading a single other post i know exactly what is to be most often found here:

"but unreasonable raises are NEVER not ok, when the wealthy give it to themselves*"

(*always taken from the non wealthy)

psychopaths.

>Implying you last an hour

You should go whole hog and make the 15 dollar an hour apply to Illegal Aliens too.

For that to work, you will have to make mass immigration and amnesty a part of your platform too.

No being subtle with it either.

Come out swinging and tell all those white males where they can shove their complaints.

Why do people think that $15/hour is unaffordable?

Just make bigger companies pay their fair share of taxes, then the burden won't be on small businesses.

If we can redistribute wealth so that it isn't concentrated in the hands of so few, $15 will be easy.

You shouldn't be able to pay someone less than it costs to live to do a job. If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.

Small businesses will be fucking DEAD.
Big businesses will have to resort to massive automation and tons of people will lose their job, a la McD's.

As do I.

Doesn't stop people from seeing the replies and then joining the thread, posting without saging.

Bump

>If we can redistribute wealth so that it isn't concentrated in the hands of so few, $15 will be easy.

This isn't even a fucking argument.

"You make and have more money than I do. That's not fair, give me some."

What is their "fair share?" What arbitrary number is supposed to be the magic one?

>You shouldn't be able to pay someone less than it costs to live to do a job. If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.

And what about workers that choose to piss their money away? Pay them more?

Fuck you, you know jack shit. Table scrap pilfering fucking nigger..

I think that just fucked me. I already make $15 an hour, and I can bet you my wage isn't going to be adjusted so now I'm back to just making minimum wage again

Holy shit, you actually get it. When people get paid more, prices go up.

These dumb fucks that don't understand economy have never had to work a job.

If the cost of living going up with pay raises was a myth, then we'd all be making minimum wages of today and buying things at 1940's prices.

Hurr durr... I made this much money last year and the cost of living was this much. Minimum wage goes up and the price of food and gas goes up as well.

>make businesses pay more in taxes
>somehow this makes it more affordable to pay employees higher wages
que?

Good.

>If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.
This is precisely what will happen if the minimum wage is rapidly raised by large amounts. I guess you really hate uneducated minorities and want even more of them to become unemployed and have zero opportunities.

I think the problem is places like walmart are essentially getting subsidized by the govt, because they know all their employees are on welfare. So basically our tax dollars are going to big multinational corps who just hide it offshore anyways. I'd be interested in setting minimum wage divided by urban and rural and with ways for small companies (under 1 million in revenue) to get tax benefits or a way around it.

That's it I am now a #GurneyForBernie

ya, i think the Left hates the poor more than most of the right

>have a skill
>make $16 an hour
>have been doing ok finally
>minimum wage st to $15
>back to struggling at the bottom

Thanks, ya just lost the election.

>All that work and donated money
>Only thing to show for it is another campaign promise

BERNYFAGS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

The Burdon will be on anyone who employs someone

Ftfy

iktf

>Hillary: can we raise the minimum wage to 15$/h?
>Congress: no
>Hillary: lel okay back to bombing Syria

Only multinational corporations will be able to afford this. Sucks to be a small business owner, entrepreneur, or franchise because the startup floor just got higher.
They are basically encouraging a corporate state

>Work hard to get to 14/hr
>Everyone will get 15/hr
>We won't see a raise in at least 5-8 years
>Cost of living will go up even more

Thanks HILLARY

>People get more money
>Losing the election
Only dumbass whites will think this is a good reason to not vote for her. Almost everyone else will act in personal interest to get more money for the same amount of work

This guy really has no idea about what the fuck he is actually asking for, does he? First he wanted to raise taxes on everyone including the poor, then he wanted to DOUBLE the nationwide minimum wage which would cause much less poor people to be hired.

Does he actually HATE the poor people? What a fucking jew.

The Democratic party plan for decades has been basically that:

1) Create government programs to help poor people
2) Create conditions that make sure poor people stay poor

#1 makes sure poor people vote Democrat and #2 makes sure there are enough poor people to keep Democrats in power.

Some have woke up to this. Not many.

I'm astounded you know how to see the future! Can you tell me when Yellowstone erupts?

Also, how does raising minimum wage affect how many poor people are hired? If anything, it would affect how many people in general are hired.

We always have the train.

I look forward to all fast food restaurants being automated.

The amount is irrelevant.
Politicians don't care about your well-being.
If your job is the kind that pays per hour,
expect a machine to take your place within ten years at the latest .

Literally buying votes at this point

Is he the nominee?

>no

Will anything ever get done under Clinton that would benefit Berniefags?

>no

i already make 15/hr so now my job that requires skill will make the same as the local down syndrome kid that stocks walmart overnight.

The minimal wage should be banned. It's a racist terminology.

As someone who worked hard for the past 8 years to get up to $20 an hour... The last thing I fucking want is a 15 dollar minimum wage.

What kind of fucking meth are liberals smoking

That person doesn't get hired lol you must have not been to a Walmart recently. Although I understand the confusion since most Walmart employees are stoned out of their mind at work

Sage

Yuo do realize that its a matter of competition? If all companies MUST by law pay 15 dollars an hour its a none issue.
If you are a company that decided to pay its workers more than the competition you are gonna have a harder time but if you all have to raise the salary of workers by a similar amount you do not suffer.
Sure the products will get a bit more expensive but its nothing compared to the huge benefits.

You do realize its gonna take a while until its implemented to allow buisness to adjust? Use your brain son.

Enjoy your lower working conditions, peasant.

There are two possible answers from businesses for a rise like that in minimum wage:
1. Increase the price of products, which implies less consumption from the people so less profit => less money to pay more minimum wage jobs
2. Fire people right away to have enough profit to pay the double minimum wage jobs. This means that, as long as people aren't overworked, there will be less productivity due to less workers.

Of course, I am just talking about minimum wage jobs, which I related directly with poor people. So maybe my argument fails there.

So why is the limit at 15?
Why is 10$ ok but not 15$? why not 5$?
why not lower the minimum wage to 2$? According to your reductionist analysis there should be no minimum wage..

>mfw your employer has to pay you $15 an hour and then decides to just fire you instead.

>less consumption from the people
most of the businesses that are doing well in the current environment don't actually sell anything to the public.

Immigrants makes less than minimum wage anyway. They literally just gave businesses more incentive to higher illegals because they doubled legal minimum wage.

Can anyone convince me sanders isn't a complete retard?

>price control works
k

how is this supposed to foster competition and help small business?

There really shouldn't be.

If you don't like what the job offers, don't do it.

>muh fair share argument

In relation to minimum wage? Do you think that people's wages come out of a communal cookie jar?

Idiot;

I'll make this simple.
What you and your idiot pals have done is precipitate the death of small and mid sized businesses.
Only the mega Corp sized business will be able to absorb a near doubling of their labor overhead costs.
That means, dummy, that you and your pals have done more to assist the super wealthy corporatists than any other group in recent history.
Walmart will now be the only fucking store.
Good work economic retards.

>Immigrants makes less than minimum wage anyway.
flawed premise.

they generally make more than similarly educated americans per hour. they often work in trades that pay significantly more than min wage.

Even worse, that just means that the bigger spending power that minimum wage workers have wouldn't affect those businesses. And they would still have to increase their profit in order to handle a ridiculous increase in wage like that. That would translate in a sacrifice, one way or another.
Of course, this is assuming that those businesses that you are talking about pay minimum wage to their workers.

It fails because you you can think of a raising of the minimum wage as a sort of tax, in very broad terms. the question is, who is paying how many taxes?
Meaning that if the rich dont pay taxes at all you will be taking from the middle class.
What matters is not just raising the minimum wage but making sure the rich pay their share of the taxes. This of course ties to international competition since your home companies need to compete with other comapnies from other countries over the same markets.
Economy of a whole country is not easy.
But a minimum wage is a wage you need to lead an ok job and efford the basics.
some products will surely rise in cost but that doent matter cause you pay the lower workers more. Like i said it can be viewed as a sort of tax and the question remains who in your countiry is unfairly burdened by taxes, the middle class or the upper class?
I would say in america its probably the middle class cause the rich dont pay shit so its eroding the middle class buying abilities but its not the fault of the lower class, its the fault of the rich evading taxation and to some extent global economy that ATM favors the rich.

>he thinks businesses won't raise their prices to survive.
kek

why not $20?

>im dumb

I figured that out myself.

>work hard to get a job that pays $17/hr
>minimum raise increases
>cost of living goes up
>now I am basically getting paid $2 above min wage and am basically poor af.

The future will have robots and computers doing 80% of the cheap labor jobs out there, your pic will be corporate americas answer to the wage increases.

>hey let me give you this actually reasonable position that I know you could not possibly hold because it seems so reasonable to me

do you even know who you're arguing with family?

this

it's really just a pay cut for everyone in the middle.

none of that matters when
>muh living wage

THANKS FOR FUCKING OUR ECONOMY DICK FACE

Say hello to more big businesses you tards.

Not saying that big business is bad, it's just that loads of Sanders supporters hate it.

>Not saying that big business is bad
but it is

>its a sort of tax
Aren't you just talking about public service jobs? The ones paid by the government.

I mean, I still don't know how some McDonald's stores, many of which who hire less educated minimum wage workers would get the money to compensate for such an increase without in the end firing more of those workers. Maybe McDonald's business as a whole would probably not be very affected, but the fact is that employment by such a company would decrease.

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>we could take steady and calculated measures to reduce inflation and make money worth more
>nah let's just make money more worthless

>he's still running.
>he's going to the convention.
>he's still taking donations.
>he still has secret service at a cost of about 38k a day.
>he already said he's gonna vote for clinton.

Can't wait for an anti-TPP text added to the platform and all of Sup Forums is BTFO

>minimum wage rises to $15
>1 gallon of gas now costs $60
>a new toyota camry now costs $270,000
>a carton of eggs is now $32
>rent in california rises from $4000 a month for 1 bedroom to $37,000 a month
>a bottle of water is now $6, $40 in airports

this! so fucking hard...

>country has problems because immigrants come in and work low wages

The problem is we have big conservative corporations exploiting labor on the black market. They don't pay them a living wage because they can exploit them. If you give people amnesty and allow them to unionize, the wages GO UP

YEAH!
He convinced the party to pay a tiny amount of lip service to his supporters and include something they're NEVER going to actually do into their platform! VICTORY! All that money and effort was well spent because now all of that hard work has been converted into a single line on a text document somewhere!
WOOHOO! VICTORY HAS NEVER TASTED SO SWEET!

Why only 15$ we could've had 20$ an hour! Or even $30/hr

It's all part of their bigger plan to create more government dependence. A higher minimum wage means fewer full time employees and fewer job positions. That means even more people will qualify for welfare assistance programs. And for most people, once they get on the free money train, they don't get back off. So these new dependents and their friends/family will vote democrat to keep their benefits. And each vote will cost just a bit more freedom than the last, but few will notice until it's too late.

I don't think that. They will try. But how did the mega-stores take over in the first place? They moved in sold at lower prices(often at a net loss) until small business died. Then raise prices when competition was gone.

This just gives them a second wave to do the same.

Have fun getting replaced by robots and having shit cost more because your dumbass got a degree in dance therapy.

So every company is going to raise its prices, and the wage increase won't matter.

Thanks for nothing? Without a limit on corporate profits, there's really nothing to gain from raising the minimum wage.

>Have fun getting replaced by robots and having shit cost more because your dumbass got a degree in dance therapy.

Australia has a 15 dollar minumum wage. Has it collapsed as your reich wingers claim it has?

>Without a limit on corporate profits,

Which sanders has also advocated for faglord.

>Hey guys lets raise the minimum wadge to make doing business in America even fucking harder
>And lets stop deporting illigals who are willing to work below minimum wadge
>THIS WILL END WELL I ASSURE YOU

One great thing about Bernie is that he pushed Hillery further and further left, so now she is almost full blown socialist. Pretty much everyone who doesn't want our economy to crash is going to vote against her.

Why not $25?

What does that matter now?

15 australian dollars is $11.21.

I make $11.96 pulling freight at fucking lowes. A warehouse worker shouldn't be better at math than you.

15$ an hour is still nothing

I make 25$ an hour 38$ when you count whats not on my check and its still not enough to do anything with

>Australia
>society collapsed
Choose both.

15AUS = 3.41USD

>People get more money
>Implying that it won't just destroy jobs that are worth less than 15$ an hour
Why the fuck would you hire more employees when the cost of some unskilled unexperienced worker just fucking doubled.

Pretty much everyone is going to get laid off and go on welfare.

Pretty fucking smart of the dems, now there will be an even bigger voting base for them because more people will need the benefits they hand out.