1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. The Phantom Menace
4. A New Hope
5. Return of the Jedi
6. The Force Awakens
7. Attack of the Clones
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William Peterson
The Force Awakens is easily the worst of the John Williams scores. It sounds really plastic.
Christopher Price
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Honestly best in the series, fits perfectly with the mood and scene, shame it's so short and sfx are so loud
Michael Barnes
>its all mouse shil shit to sell pkastic crap to kids
grow up
Nathaniel Williams
>tumblr
Yeah okay, only some of the best music scores in cinema history and one of the greatest composers
Evan Peterson
Honestly I would put The Force Awakens up there a little further, it had some nice themes such as Rey's Theme when she is scavenging.
The thing is most the music just lacks in living up to originality. Too similar to many of his prior themes. It was hard to live up to it what he had done prior. I think all the scores are excellent and in no way do I think TFA score was shit. It never bothered me and had some good moments.
Attack of the Clones has to be the worst. There really isn't an iconic song that stands out like Episodes 1,3, 4, 5, and 6.
I will give John Williams credit that he really did different things in the prequels and came back with amazing work to rival his expectations set by himself in the OT.
Ian Brooks
revenge of the sith was the shit
Jason Campbell
>even prequel trilogy had something to offer with its brilliant music
>disney garbage is not only shit as a flick but it has shit music too
there is not one redeeming factor of farce awakens
Christopher Jackson
You have to be joking. You could argue it's better than any of the others.
Zachary Roberts
Jeremiah King
This is one of the best scores there is
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Matthew Sullivan
Agree about the top 3. Don't care about the others.
James Myers
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You guys probably haven't heard a John Williams score since Sith. He's changed as a composer and TFA is a reflection of that
If not that, then you're a hans zimmer babby who want a choir and epic war drums with everything
Hudson Foster
he is fucking old and they probably hired someone who could emulate williams and thats it. TFA is fucking garbage when it comes to the music
Ryan Nelson
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The asteroid chase soundtrack is the most underrated piece in the whole series.
John Gutierrez
>TFA is fucking garbage when it comes to the music
Why?
Tyler Peterson
its music is so bland and indistinguishable from other flicks, like with marvel movies ... oh wait
Ian Bennett
Still waiting for an actual criticism. What specifically is bland about it? The instrumentation? The composition? Mixing?
Jayden White
>There really isn't an iconic song that stands out like Episodes 1,3, 4, 5, and 6.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Across The Stars, bro.It's a GOAT "40's" love theme. I've grown to like TFA's music but that piece alone is melodically much stronger than anything on it, IMHO.
And if you like RotS score, that piece when Anakin storms the Jedi temple is off the OST for II.
Brayden Sullivan
the composition the most, then the instrumentation
Juan Perez
Darth >Obiwan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you do not convert to the dark side, then perhaps she will!
Luke >NOOOOOO... THIS IS THE RETURN OF THE JEDI!
Can't believe the studio let Lucas get away with this..
David Perry
RotJ is such a clumsy movie, but it's all worth it for the throne room scenes.
Evan Evans
Yeah you are right. Across the Stars is good.
My favorite part of the score is when Anakin takes Obi-Wan's saber in the fight vs Dooku. The drums in the score is my favorite. It was also played during the Corusant chase.
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It's really hard to rank all of the scores because they are all good in my books. I just feel the others are more epic. I think any of my top 3 you could argue as his all time best.
Liam Baker
You have shit tastes then
Michael Diaz
Wow you really have no idea what you're talking about
Chase Nguyen
The score for TFA was mostly unmemorable, I'd say. When I think of a character or scene from the originals or even the prequels, I can immediately recall the music that accompanies the scene. With TFA, I can't for most of them. There are some that I can; the final sequence where Rey finds Luke IS fantastic and the music for that scene is perfectly ethereal and fitting.
I'm no expert in music theory so I couldn't tell you specifically why it doesn't resonate as well, but for me, most of the themes in TFA don't carry much thematic weight. In the originals, the music feels like it accompanies the characters, factions and ideas; in TFA, it just feels like it's there in the background.
Tyler Lewis
>tfw can hear the TIE fighter spinning out in my head at 2:30
Jason Rogers
>7. Attack of the Clones
This is literally the best Star Wars theme ever:
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Charles Foster
RoTJ is the weakest of the Original Trilogy but the Throne Room scenes are the best in the entire series.
Benjamin Walker
>TFA
>above anything
It has ONE good track on it (besides the opening theme). AOTC has a few.
Henry Phillips
Are we already at a point where some people don't remember when Star Wars wasn't owned by Disney?
Isaiah Miller
1. A New Hope - Binary Sunset
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2. Attack of the Clones - Across the Stars
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3. The Phantom Menace - Duel Of The Fates
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4. Return of the Jedi - Victory Celebration (fuck Yub Nub)
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5. Empire Strikes Back - Imperial March
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6. Revenge of the Sith - Anakin's Dark Deeds
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7. The Force Awakens
??
Lucas Peterson
Wrong link
>2. Attack of the Clones - Across the Stars
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Brody King
I'd say the music from the final sequence of VII is pretty great.
Joseph Morgan
The best theme other than the binary sunset and imperial march:
Mason Taylor
I feel like Williams was trying to almost start from scratch, as if there'd never been another SW movie. Rey's Theme sounds 'a little bit' like 'The Force' Theme, but nothing channels the SW overture in a way like 'Across The Stars' does, where it's both instantly memorable and hummable and yet recognisably 'Star Wars'.
It'll be interesting to see how the themes develop in the newer movies. But Duel of the Fates was never not fantastic.
Adrian Cooper
The best thing TFA has is Rey's theme
Evan Smith
Fair enough, though I think memorability isn't a good measure of the quality of a film score. There are too many factors in what makes something memorable for different people
Gabriel Watson
It's Disney's curse
Brayden Powell
Episode V has no flaws.
I feel like with TFA Williams had to use too much of the original trilogy material. There were definitely some good moments, but I kept feeling I was hearing a lot of reused material. I blame Disney for trying to recreate Episode IV in every way.
Brayden Russell
>episode V has no flaws
Do you mean the score of the movie itself? Because if it's the latter
>I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain
Anthony Miller
>0:35
Take evasive action!
Easton Phillips
You have it backwards
1. Attack of the Clones
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. The Phantom Menace
4. A New Hope
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Return of the Jedi
7. The Force Awakens
Jose Wilson
Last Jedi better have lot's of star destroyer scenes
Matthew Adams
Duh, this. Best imo Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale is also goat. Its a medley with The Imperial March and Across the Stars
Juan Collins
1. ANH
2. ESB
3. RotJ
4. TPM
5. RotS
6. AotC
HUGE YAWNING CAVERNOUS POWER GAP OF GALACTICAL PROPORTIONS
7. TFA
Aiden Bailey
For what it's worth, John Williams was nominated for an oscar for TFA.
Leo Gonzalez
For what it's worth, he lost to Morricone for that awful Tarantino movie.
Brody King
And didn't even deserve it. The people in charge of Star Wars don't really care about it anymore, and it showed, even through the music.
Henry Sanders
It don't matter man hes not won times he should have and even not been nominated times he should have won. Oscars dont matter.
Williams was in his prime in 1999-2005 and the OT are amazing
Isaiah Jones
ESB
AOTC
ROTS
ANH
TPM
ROJ
TFA
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Every time
Ryder Martinez
>When I think of a character or scene from the originals or even the prequels, I can immediately recall the music that accompanies the scene
I can't do this for the PT outside of a couple scenes. I can''t do it because I was too busy face palming the last time I watched the PT about 2 years ago.
Grayson Collins
Suck a thousand ewok cocks you son of a bitch
Brody Watson
Movies that produced a leitmotif for the rest of the series:
ANH
ESB
Movies that didn't:
The rest
Henry Rogers
A sensible order.
Joseph Sullivan
Shut the fuck up faggot
Angel Cook
I know this is just about his Star Wars works but it is weird actually just how many soundtracks he's done. His best that no-one ever recognises him for is The Long Goodbye.
Henry Garcia
no
Caleb Carter
>7. Attack of the Clones
>last
mmm
Matthew Adams
yes
Jackson Nguyen
Not really
Ayden Clark
If you're dumb enough not to understand that the music is forgettable, you won't understand why it is.
Yes really. Name 2 memorable tracks in TFA's score.
Caleb Powell
>Yes really. Name 2 memorable tracks in TFA's score.
What a ridiculous question
What's memorable or not depends on how many tiems you've seen a movie, if you were paying attention to the score, if the movie itself had memorable moments
"Memorable tracks" will differ person-to-person
I'd say the Rey and Poe Dameron themes are memorable. Someone wouldn't because you may not have been paying attention to the score, or they only saw the movie once
I fucking hate this new focus on film scores being memorable, discounting the actual work that goes into scores and how they work in the context of actual scenes
Oliver Morgan
So you went from "no, it's not bland!" to "it's subjective you can't say for certain!"
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Gavin Howard
No, I was asking you to explain WHY it's bland to you. You then implied that unmemorable = bland
I'm not here to change your opinion, I only wanted to know why you think its bland
If its because you didn't find it memorable, I'm suggeting there's more to the score than that
Hunter Lee
it's
Caleb Rodriguez
Here's the conversation
>the music is bland
>not really
>yes really name 2 memorable tracks from TFA
>but it depends
Jonathan Gomez
You've ignored my point
Memorability is too abstract for me to definitively state that the score is """"memorable!""""
You'll hear people say that Elfman's Spider-Man had a memorable theme, others would disagree
Calling a score "bland" is shit criticism if your only bar is memorability, instead of its makeup and how its actually used in the movie
I can only say that it was for me, but I do believe it will enter the pop culture consciousness when its original themes are reprised in the next two movies
If you want more than that, Rey's theme would traditionally be considered memorable considering its heavy use in the movie
You hear most of it in full in her opening scene, with no dialogue and little sound effects. It then features in most of her scenes including her lightsaber battle. This is how Luke's theme was treated in the original movie too
Gabriel Murphy
When I said name 2 memorable tracks in TFA, Rey's theme was the one memorable one I had in mind. The rest of it isn't.
Owen Price
I disagree with you there but that's fair enough
Parker Green
1. Attack of the Clones
the rest don't matter
Connor Myers
This one is also one of my favorites of Ep. 3
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The Choir they used for these OSTs are truly amazing
Jeremiah James
1. Second half of Return
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. First Half of Return
6. Clone Wars
7. Phantom Menace
8. Power gap
9. Shit
10. Power gap
11. TFA
Lucas Gutierrez
I love how classic Hollywood this sounds
Oliver Butler
>D-do I fit in yet?
Luis Hall
this is possibly the best star wars song of all time
Jeremiah Adams
>Another contrarian asshole on Sup Forums
You are the one trying to fit in
Eli Rivera
The music doesn't doesn't accompany the prequels, it CARRIES them. Lucas was so boring as a director that Williams had to pick up the slack in order to make those scenes watchable. He was essentially given a blank slate to try and make entertaining to watch, which he did with more ornate/melodic passages.
On TFA, he didn't have the LSO anymore, he had an LA orchestra, so the sound is already less dense and more akin to the barebones feel of the original Star Wars. Now that JJ is directing, the scenes are so quickly paced and engaging on their own that all Williams is really doing is keeping up with it for most of the movie.
The prequels were an opera that have to try and tell the story on their own, the new movies are an actual film score again.
Exactly. The prequel scores work better outside of the film because they're more self sufficient, whereas TFA plays better in the movie since it's more nuanced and subtle. That said I enjoy it just as much and can't wait for Episode VIII's score.
The man's fucking 90 and we should be thankful for even getting more scores from him.
Christian Lewis
ITT ranking scores based on only one song
Grayson Anderson
Phantom Menace is the best, Rogue One is the worst.
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William Parker
Switch Phantom Menace and A New Hope, and switch Force Awakens and Attack of the Clones. Then you got it perfect.
Wyatt Scott
I'll give you Torn Apart but that other shit was just the separatist march re purposed but not as good lmao
Luis Jones
What's all this hate for the TFA score? Yeah it's not one of Williams' best, but there are still plenty of memorable bits.
>Rey's Theme
>The Resistance Theme
>Snoke's Theme
>and that badass bit that plays whenever Kylo arrived to wreck shit
Jaxson Bell
Phantom Menace has a fantastic score. Duel of the Fates and that Droid March song are both really good. Obviously ANH is good too just for creating some of the melodies that were used later but it has a big nostalgia advantage. TFA is a good deal underrated, Kylo's theme, Rey's theme, and Jedi Steps are all pretty good.
Asher Morgan
Fair, but try and tell me this variation combined with Poe's theme isn't the hypest shit
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Luke Jones
The fact I can't remember one song from it is a testament to how shit it is.
Parker Walker
because you only watched the movie once? come on man, you have to admit there's some familiarity to songs that comes from hearing them multiple times. if your criticism is "forgettable", then you probably just haven't listened enough
Jack Fisher
That almost sounds like it was remastered to sound sharper, like the LSO performed it. Might just be my imagination.
Henry Powell
Across the Stars...
Hudson Howard
r1 has the worst. holy shit its nearly as bad as the movie
James King
Poe's theme starts at 0:52
My favourite version is this at 0:53 too:
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It sounds like the old WW2 movies, love it
Landon Barnes
I don't think John Williams did the track for R1.
Holy crap, R1 was terrible.
Joseph Torres
He didn't. RO was Michael Giacchino, who's usually really good, but from what I hear he was brought on late in the development and had little time to compose it.
Jackson Garcia
Course not, Rogue One was Michael "Serial Franchise Abuser" Giacchino
Chase Peterson
RO's soundtrack was fine
He could have just gone wall-to-wall with Williams ques (especially in the short time frame he had), but he wrote some good original stuff
Jyn's theme is based on Dies Irae which Williams' used a lot (from memory, Obi-wan saying he's "too old for this sort of thing," the Luke's home on fire, Anakin telling Padme about how he'd stop people from dying and the Order 66 scene)
This Dies Irae part of her theme links to Obi-wan asking Luke to go with him to Alderaan, to deliver the plans and effectively end Rogue One's mission
The "Hope" theme itself is a pre-evolution of Luke's theme:
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On top of this, he emulates Williams very well with action cues. This is his Medal of Honor work:
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And a track from RO
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He also keeps his distinct style throughout, to me it was a hybrid of Williams and Giacchino and a pretty good first non-JW score
Tyler Thompson
I don't remember one minute of RO's score, and I feel no desire to listen to it.
Michael Gray
You don't have to remember a score for it to work