How do finland manage to keep it's independence from the soviet union?

seriously how did the finns BTFO the soviets?

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The soviets had just executed half their officers, and they still got what they wanted in the end.

They only wanted the swamp. Soviet Union never tried to annex Finland, that's a myth.

Look in his eyes.

He doesn't want Igors and Ivan and other ryssä savages tarnishing his beautiful country and culture.

He would rather choose death.

Igor*

>still got what they wanted in the end
>implying

Stalin wanted a birthday party in Helsinki. Didn't happen.

Stalin may have wanted whatever.
The idea was to secure the area around leningrad, which was accomplished.

This is why authoritarianism doesn't work. Fuckers without any checks on their power always end up maniacs like Stalin or Kim Jong.

>implying

lol, hardly. If anything it only destabilized the region and made soviets look weak, enabling operation Barbarossa. The only reason St. Peterburg wasn't razed to the ground was that Mannerheim didn't want to bomb the city he had served in his youth.

Can't trust a single person to have the perfect judgment. Especially incompetent leaders who are forced to impose violence to govern.

Oh don't get me wrong, the war was a complete fuckup
The weakness the Soviet army, as you pointed out, enabled Barbarssa, but the immediate objectives were met.
And the siege of Leningrad was legitimately worse for the people involved than Stalingrad, don't give me that shit.

Also here's muh source for the "secure the area around leningrad" thing is Molotov's radio speech around the time the war was declared

He stood up and fought while your country """""defended""""" itself using sad songs

snow is the best defense
it's why we never took the leaf's lunch money and also caused uncle adolf to get btfo

>t. Vladimir Sergei Ivanovich

How do you successfully invade a swamp?

>you don't

As a Finn, i have no idea desu.

youtube.com/watch?v=bFKLEyHE5xo

soviet soldiers were badly equipped and badly trained with terrible logistics

This
>soviet soldiers were badly equipped and badly trained with terrible logistics
Yeah they had warm weather gear (dark colors) I'm the winter
And
>The soviets had just executed half their officers,
Though I wouldn't say it was Soviets so much as just Stalin

Fennoswede officers/generals along with arms and supplies from sweden(off the books, never recognized as it would destroy the image of our "neutrality").

>He stood up and fought while your country """""defended""""" itself using sad songs
The Soviets literally bullied them into accepting increasing numbers of "friendly" Soviet troops on their territory untill they outnumbered the Estonian military. The lesson is if you were ever part of Russia or border them and they ask to station troops on your territory just start killing Russians.

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Guerrilla warfare works quite well in these conditions, especially when the aggressor primarily uses zerg rush "tactics"

Not joking. Many swedish volunteers also used a finnish pseudonym and fought, some are even heroes in the eyes of finns, unknownst to them that they were(almost all of them) swedes.

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Ukrainian hohols don't do well in the Finnish winter :DD

Are you stupid?

They wanted to secure Binland to better protect leningrad from The allies

Instead he got a tiny sliver of flat land which makes no fucking difference and can't even be farmed on

Sure, Octavian was great but who came next? Tiberius, Caligula and Nero were all fags and Rome suffered for it. That's the problem of having one man in power, it can be great but then you have his relatives ruling after his death fucking everything up.

USSR didn't want them

Because like its proven million times in course of history, one finn equals ten russians

Because the Soviets fucked up pretty much everything they could've. They fucked up their winter equipment, they had shitty tactics, they'd killed all the smart officers.

because the soviets allowed them to be independent in the end, they just wanted karelia anyway.

read it up.

>Swedish revisionism

Not even once.

>what is Molotov-Ribbentrop

it did though

for what purpose did the soviets annex that tiny piece of Salla though?

They also btfo the germans btw.

tsundere

Based Sweden saving Finland again.

We let them retreat

molotov-ribbentrop didnt have to do shit with finland like shows
They never demanded Salla initally before the winter war, but finns lost and now the soviets were even more pissed off, should have just accepted the gentle offer in the first place, the soviets would have given them Repola and Porosozero in exchange

>molotov-ribbentrop didnt have to do shit with finland like shows
Lmao what do you mean. Is that picture too complicated for you to read?

influence doesnt mean annexed kamerad

>the wiki article says nazi-soviet are allies
Ayy if you post that on any slav game community forum, you'll get instant-banned

>In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Romania, into German and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries.

Besides finland, every one of those countries were annexed by r*ssia. Are you trying to claim that finland would've been any different if let all the Igors just march here?

Its like mexico managed to keep its independence from usa

who cares everyone knows this was just a temporary show, WWII already started de facto when Hitler annexed Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia in 38, Hitler talked shit about communism since 23 so it was no secret that he hated the soviet union internally

>should have just accepted the gentle offer in the first place, the soviets would have given them Repola and Porosozero in exchange

Yeah bowing to Russia worked so well for the Balts.

Fenno-swedish generals and officers

>can't even be farmed on
Karelia was the most arable land in Finland

Love that movie.

>Its like mexico managed to keep its independence from usa
We could have annexed all of them but didn't want a huge number of c*tholics.

dude all finns had to do was to agree to these precise demands, they didnt.care as long as you remained neutral.
trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25757223
Same here in Austria, they could have also annexed the east of us after WWII but the preferred Austria being independent and neutral rather than a split Austria joining NATO.

>Fennoswede officers/generals

People like Mannerheim, Talvela or Siilasvuo weren't fennoswedes sorry.

Swedes destroyed and denied us our history and heritage, and now they're trying to steal what remains of it by lying once more. Swedes were cowardly cucks who didn't do shit in WW2.
They ruined Finland and deserve to go extinct for it.

>balts
no one negotiated with them anyway

I used to be thankful of Swedish volunteers and their arm shipments but not anymore. Swedes do nothing but lie and feel proud of the time when they oppressed Finns. Fuck them.

Read Mannerheim's biography, they've made some very serious sacrifices. Honestly, I'm very upset that the Baltics just bent over and took it when the soviets came for us.

Yes, sure thing vladimir. Like said, I'm sure soviets would've been satisfied with that trade and not demand more in the future. It's not like we just told them to fuck off, finns tried to negotiate multiple times and also made counter offers. That ended when soviets set up false flag attack and decided to take our country by force

Well without the soviet revolution you would never have been independent in the first place, thank the bolsheviks for being the first to accept your independence and getting rid of the Tsar who ruled you for 108 years

>We could have annexed all of them
In 1848? No that would have been impossible.

And that's only because they thought finland would've commie revolution later on and we'd voluntarily join and be a part of russia again.

Baltic states also gained their independence at the same time and look what happened to them few years later

Tiberius was fantastic until Sejanus ducked him over, if he had died in his 30's he would have been remembered as one of Rome's greatest generals of all time

>voluntarily join and be a part of russia again

source?

>Lenin oletti Venäjän vähemmistökansallisuuksien eroamisoikeuden tukemisen edistävän bolševikkien päätavoitetta eli sosialistisen vallankumouksen leviämistä. Hänen kehittämänsä niin sanotun ”eroaminen yhdistymistä varten” -teorian mukaan pienten kansojen vapaa eroaminen Venäjästä pohjustaisi niiden myöhempää ”vapaata yhdistymistä” ”Venäjän sosialistiseen federaatioon” tai laajemman maailmanlaajuisen neuvostovallan yhteyteen.

fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomen_itsenäistyminen

got ya. Baltic independence was never accpeted from the Soviet Unoon, it immediately turend into the soviet-estonian soviet-lithuanian and soviet-latvian wars, finlands independence was accepted.

Like I said, lenin had an ulterior motive. They never expected us to stay independent long, waiting for the commie uprising.

wel this voluntary plan to spread their ideals didnt work out and they didnt care for you for more than 20 years, the ONLY reason they started to regain interest interest in your Karelia is because it were ought to serve as a safety corridor for Leningrad because Germany started expanding towards the east since 1938, and they feared it to be vulnerable.. Eventually what they feared happened as we can see with the Siege of Leningrad where thousands of people were starved by the finnish and german army encirclement.

>we didn't even want them
>they weren't strong, we were weak

Pathetic.

>voluntary plan to spread their ideals didnt work out and they didnt care for you for more than 20 years
Not true, and you would know this too if you had read other than soviet era history '''sources''', vladimir. They played a huge part arming and giving manpower to the reds during our civil war.

It's yet another episode of russian damage control and claiming that they were the real victims here.

its not about saying they were not worth it, its about saying the soviet union was not so bad as you guys think and actually made rational claims
everyone had victims, this war had no rules anymore

Well, mongolians are excellent at fighting against slavs.

finns are not mongolians, thats racist t b h

After WWII it had been maybe possible to annex us like Baltics.

Stalin however respected Finland so that he didn't. Rather had us as neighboring country.

We are west-mongolians you bigot

Don't believe his lies.

well if you insist

finns knew the land. had skii troops and snipers who would pop off their medics and cooks. they also developed ways to blow up the soviet tanks with molotov cocktails.

also the ussr had just purged its officers and their armies had less experienced officers and their soldiers were definitely low moral going into a winter battle against the finns. think. if you were a russian at that time would you want to go and invade finland in the dead of winter? the finns on the other hand were defending their sovereignty and had all the will in the world to fight.

Stalin said whole Finland will be taken in three days

And that Finns will walk to Siberia

>t. Cai-Göran

Mannerheim was from a German noble family.

>how do finland manage to keep it's independence from the soviet union?
>it's
And your damn native language is English, have you no shame?