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Reminder that the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Orthodox Church, and only the Orthodox Church.
>Reminder that the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Orthodox Church, and only the Orthodox Church.
Amen
>holycouncil.org
>In spite of this, the Orthodox Church accepts the historical name of other non-Orthodox Christian Churches and Confessions that are not in communion with he
kek, no we don't. This is non-binding and without any force.
Thank goodness Russia, Bulgarian, Georgia and Antioch withdrew from this.
>“With regard to the first matter, they (the Romans) have produced the unanimous documentary evidence of the Latin fathers, and also of Cyril of Alexandria, from the sacred commentary he composed on the gospel of St. John. On the basis of these texts, they have shown that they have not made the Son the cause of the Spirit — they know in fact that the Father is the only cause of the Son and the Spirit, the one by begetting and the other by procession; but [they use this expression] in order to manifest the Spirit’s coming-forth (προϊέναι) through him and, in this way, to make clear the unity and identity of the essence….
Maximus the Confessor
There is nothing wrong with Filioque
What happens when you put the two triangles together, kike worshipers?
And to all Orthodox who laugh at Catholics who still try to fight with cultural marxism. You are in better situation now, but friendly reminder that 80% of orthodox clergy and 100% of orthodox bishops were KGB agents.
It's better than the original text, which said we "...the historical existence..."
As I understand it, this is actually the first time the Orthodox Church has explicitly said in a great council that heterodox churches have no legitimacy.
I agree on the council overall though. It was a glorified press conference.
>ou are in better situation now, but friendly reminder that 80% of orthodox clergy and 100% of orthodox bishops were KGB agents.
t. Soros
There is when you insert in the Nicene Creed, since the Latin here is a translation of the Greek.
There are no heterodox churches, properly speaking, just heterodox heresies. We use "church" casually, but not in dogma, dogmatically they are just heresies.
If the Roman Church would do these two things, it would clear up the whole issue:
1. The Pope must say in an ex-cathedra statement: "To anyone who says the eternal procession of the Holy Spirit's hypostasis is from both the Father and the Son together as from one principle: Anathema."
2. Uphold Pope Leo III's ban on the Fillioque, for historical and pastoral reasons, if not dogmatic reasons.
Was on the fence with Christianity for a while. I always have trouble with sin, particularly lust/fapping. How do you quit? I always hear that it's impossible on your own and you need the holy spirit and stuff. How exactly are you supposed to do that?
True. I would prefer they had used the term "heterodox Christian communities" or some such.
Explain to me, without using hyperbole or metaphors, what is the Holy Spirit?
One of the three Persons of the Holy Trinity.
Daily reminder that Christians worship a dead hippy kike on a 2x4
Redpill me on (((protestants))).
Are they good or bad? and why they suck Israel's cock? and why almost every president of US was protestant except one even US is half Catholics?
You try your best, if you fail, you try again. Confession helps. We are sinners and sin is part of our nature since Adam and Eve, overcoming it and aiming to be a better person is always possible though.
t. in the same shoes
Give yourself 20 lashings on the back whenever you have lustful thoughts.
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If they did, then Georgia probably wouldn't have vetoed. This document is what they explicitly objected to.
The Holy Spirit is the third hypostasis of God. God does all things from the Father, by the Son and in the Holy Spirit.
Not Arian Christians
Which is the only true way
ty, will keep trying
gl to you
woah, that's some Savonarola shit
1. Fasting
2. Confession
3. Prayer
Read, The Way of the Pilgrim, it's short, enjoyable, and it will help your prayer life. Also get icons and hang them in your house. Just as looking at porn harms you spiritually (Father Seraphim Rose called porn "the Devil's icons"), so looking at holy icons is spiritually beneficial.
Russian orthodox church is the most based church out there.
Literally enchanting AKs for +5 damage in shock phase and +15% critical hit.
Sola scriptura cucks on suicide watch.
>80% of orthodox clergy and 100% of orthodox bishops were KGB agents
Nice meme
I know of another symbol composed of two triangles Goyim.
They were right to object to the excesses of the Roman Church, but thy were wrong to deny the authority of Holy Tradition.
If the early Lutherans had been better listeners in their dialogue with Jeremias II, they may have converted to Orthodoxy.
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Orthodox Church allows condemn use. Coitus interruptus has never be classified as a sin, either (obviously we're talking about marital sex here, and not something to prevent children altogether).
"If for a certain period, you and your wife have abstained by agreement, perhaps for a time of prayer and fasting, come together again for the sake of your marriage. You do not need procreation as an excuse. It is not the chief reason for marriage. Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want."
-Saint John Chrysostom
Sex is, optimally, a total giving of the self, and should be open to the possibility of procreation, but where more children could greater hamper the lives and future of your present children, then having sex with the possibility of procreation is not an act of giving, it is an act of selfishness, and to practice abstinence for purely economic concerns rather than as a spiritual discipline, is unwise, as Paul cautions, and Christ outright says that not all can be celibate, only those to whom it has been given (Matthew 19:11). Forcing permanent celibacy on couples who can't, in good conscience, have more children, is very harmful. Saint Paul says if you can't control yourself, get married, and the Catholic Church says those who are married need to control themselves.
+1 for DTTW
God bless
>fasting
can you give me a bit more info on this?
>confession
I grew up near a evangelical church so I'm not too familiar with confessions. After I moved, most churches near are protestant as well. But I will look into it more. Also, would you think that denominations are important?
>prayer, path of pilgrim
will try that too, ty
*condom us
saved
will try this next time I'm tempted, ty user
I have no idea what you're talking about...
They are the only religion that I'm sceptical about (I'm biased a bit since they destroyed a bunch of our countries...), should I keep staying aware from them or they are just good people and I'm misunderstanding them?
They're bad. They are pro-Israel because they were subverted by the CI Scofield Reference Bible which interprets the land that God promised to Abraham as the modern state of Israel. Catholics were not popular in US politics because protestants were afraid that the US would be controlled by the Pope and the Vatican.
Hmmm...
I like Catholics.
>can you give me a bit more info on this?
abbamoses.com
If you practice this, it will help.
>. Also, would you think that denominations are important?
Christ only founded ONE kind of Christianity, and it's Orthodox.
And yes, it is important. Christ told the Apostles, whatever sins you do not forgive, God will not forgive (John 20:23). They passed this office on by handpicking people, and they passed it on. If Christ said God won't forgive you unless they do, you best believe it.
I'm many of you know that religion's purpose historically has been to promote and maintain principles beneficial to particular civilizations. Christianity in particular was never fundamentalist in origin and meant to be taken allegorically, mostly.
Today we live in a civilization that has largely replaced the "preserving religion" with mass education and an open society. What is the purpose of religion in the light of this new level of civilization? Certainly it doesn't have the old purpose.
PRAY THE ROSARY
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Eh, not exactly. No branch of Christianity, including Orthodoxy, permitted the use of artificial birth control before the ~1920s and the demonic, anti-family movements of Margaret Sanger and others.
This tragic concept is very new and I cringe when Orthodox people trumpet that which is, at best, an extreme concession of oikonomia. It is not the norm, and should not be considered such.
Marriage is primarily about salvation, but procreation is a close second. The two are inextricably linked, as the married couple is an icon of God, the life-giver. Anyone who doesn't believe this should read the Crowning service and note how many references there are to child-bearing.
My own priest will not perform a marriage for a couple who are not ready to have children, and I think he is right. Waiting to have children after marriage is an indication that they are not ready to be married. It is a lack of faith in God.
>There is when you insert in the Nicene Creed
Oh boy, you have so much to learn
Christianity's purpose is to spiritually and physically commune with God in order to partake of his Resurrection.
>Spain
You are the ones who committed the error in the first place.
Why is the life of a Christian always so much of suffering and bitterness?
I want revenge on people that wronged me yet The Bible clearly says to turn the other cheek. It feels like I'm not standing up to myself.
>No branch of Christianity, including Orthodoxy, permitted the use of artificial birth control before the ~1920s
That's because most forms of birth control could harm what's post-conception. We never prohibited coitus interruptus, and permitting condoms was just an extension of that.
>orthodoxy meme
have fun getting indoctrinated into a FOREIGN religion by russian propaganda, paid propagandists memeing the shit out of the alt-right and it's working lol
sola pic related
I don't know what error you are talking about
Also we don't permit use of condoms to make a marriage childless, you obviously should not marry if you aren't ready for kids. Condoms are simply to limit the number.
>Christ told the Apostles, whatever sins you do not forgive, God will not forgive (John 20:23)
so you must do confessions to the priest to be forgiven?
pray for them to get struck by lightning, if you have the faith of a mustard seed then it will happen
Well if you expect God to forgive you, you have to do the same for others.
Not really, because coitus interruptus is still open to the possibility of conception in that it doesn't always go according to plan. With condoms that possibility is virtually nil (especially with new, anti-microbial condoms and so forth), as a material barrier is put in place.
You do realize that turning the other cheek is standing up to yourself and defying openly the one who wronged you, right?
For serious sins, yes. Minor sins are generally considered to be cleansed away by Christ's blood taken as communion. But even if you don't commit major sins, you should go to confession regularly.
Note that in Orthodoxy, we don't face the priest in confession, we face an icon. The priest stands beside as a witness.
>Well if you expect God to forgive you
For what?
Exodus 20
[4]“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. [5]You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, [6]but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
>Not really, because coitus interruptus is still open to the possibility of conception
The idea is to prevent it, the possibility is a failure on that part, it's not an intentional possibility. That's why Saint John Chrysostom said, "Neither is it necessary to allow for the POSSIBILITY of conceiving"
If every Christian rejected Orthodoxy because of how "foreign" it is the world would be full of a bunch of Mormon tier cults, each with their own Joseph Smith.
what is considered a serious sin? I also don't live near any orthodox church and where can I get one of these icons?
I don't know what you've done.
Again, I don't know what error you are talking about.
I understand; I just don't agree with the Golden Tongue on this point.
Firstly, we know the ancient Hebrews did not have a problem with images in their temples. If you care to look up the ancient synagogue of Dura-Europos (since destroyed by Daesh), you will see that it was covered with images from the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible itself describes numerous images in places of worship (Exodus 25:19-20, Exodus 26:1, Exodus 26:31, 1 Kings 6:23-29, just like Orthodox temples today, the Hebrew Temple was supposed to be like being in heaven, hence all the angels). First, let's examine the word, used in Exodus 20:4, often translated as "likeness" or "form" is תְּמוּנָה (temunah); the Septuagint's equivalent to this is εἶδος (eidos), this is the term Plato is so fond of, and it is generally translated in his works as "form". This is *not* the same term used for likeness is many other parts of the Bible. For instance, the word translated as likeness in Genesis 1:26 is דְּמוּת (demuth), or דָּמָה (damah) in verb form--this term is also often translated as "similitude" in the King James Bible, such as in Hosea 12:10; the Greek equivalent to this is ὁμοίωμα (homoioma). If we look at how these words are used, the distinction is readily apparent: prophets often used the term "demuth" when describing what their visions looked like (Ezekiel 10:21, for instance), whereas temunah is used to mean a form (man is made in the likeness of God, not in the form of God) such as in Job 4:16, Psalms 17:15 and Deuteronomy 4:12, this term is often used as a stand-in for the face of God,
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which in Orthodox theology is God's uncreated grace, which is fully and truly God, and which we can behold (unlike God's essence, which is infinitely transcendent and beyond all creatures), it is *form* as opposed to the *simulacrum*. Now the term translated as "graven image" (or "idol" in other parts) is the word פֶּ֫סֶל (pesel), the Greek equivalent of this is the term εἴδωλον (eidolon), which is the source of the English word "idol"; it comes from the aforementioned "eidos". An eidolon is an avatar: en.wikipedia.org
The assertion that the Holy Spirit spirates from the Father and the Son as from one principle.
I'm pretty sure this is how Catholic Church understand filiqoue. This whole issue in my opinion is just one big misuderstanding. For filiqoue were Tertullian, Jerome, Ambrose and Augustine.
It's not a mysthery that Orthodox Church in Soviet Union and in Eastern Block was controlled by state. This is why they alwas "support" the state or praised the "freedom of religion" in Soviet Union. They have also agents in Catholic Church, but since Catholic Church is fully independent (also by international law) and it has independent state it was harder to controled church by force. Now Catholic Church is in deep crisis due to masons and cultural marxist.
>There is when you insert in the Nicene Creed, since the Latin here is a translation of the Greek.
I don't really understand.
Nothing stated in that council is wrong.
Murder, adultery, stuff like that (also counts if you committed it in your heart).
>Are they good or bad?
Usually good people that are mislead. It also has the problem that denial of tradition leads to ever increasing heresy, so you see people claiming to be "Christian" and believing there's nothing wrong with abortion, for example (notably Methodists).
>and why they suck Israel's cock?
Protestants tend to interpret the Bible in a fragmentary way, they don't see the big picture, so they often misinterpret passages, by looking at them out of context. They believe the modern Israel is the promised land and that modern Jews are God's chosen people, ignoring that modern Jews are nothing but the Pharisees from the Bible. Protestants also often think all rules from the old testament apply, and because of this you see Protestant denominations which forbid eating pork, for example.
Another problem is that anyone can become a pastor, so it's often the blind leading the blind. There's no real united faith among Protestants, since they have what is called private interpretation. Add the mistranslated Bibles and you've got yourself a heresy cocktail.
On top of that, only the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church have apostolic succession, meaning only their priests have power to order new priests, to forgive sins or to consecrate the host. The Anglican Church used to have apostolic succession too but it broke at some point which I don't remember.
>I also don't live near any orthodox church and where can I get one of these icons?
Order one online
Also, you can arrange to confess your sins through emails, and have a different priest come by every once and a while to say the forgiveness--as in, the priest who does the forgiving doesn't have to be the one who hears the confession.
>I'm pretty sure this is how Catholic Church understand filiqoue. This whole issue in my opinion is just one big misuderstanding.
I hope that is the case. If so, the RCC should have no problem disavowing something that it does not even believe.
Exodus 25
18 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. 20 And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat.
Golden Mouth
Is this image implying that the Holy Spirit is below The Father and The Son according to Catholics? Cause that's not true
Theft and lying also. My priest told me software piracy was also theft, which I don't personally agree, with but it's not my call to make.
Catholicism is true faith. Sorry dude. Orthodoxy is OK but Catholicism was literally established by Christ.
The Orthodox would agree. But we are the Catholic Church, not the Vatican communion.
>he thinks the Bible is American
Hmmm... thanks man.
>I don't really understand.
The Greek word for "proceeds" is a lot more particular than the Latin one. The Church Fathers said it was okay to say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son in Latin, but not in Greek. However, they weren't referring to the Nicene Creed, they just mean in general theology. The Nicene Creed's source language is Greek (just as the New Testament is), so Latin translations of Greek terms here have to be used like the Greek terms, not what it might mean in other contexts in Latin.
No, it implies that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, which was added to the Creed by Catholics in the 800s.
ty user, I'll look more into this. Just one more question.
I thought that the first church was founded on Peter, which is the catholic church Why do you consider Orthodoxy to be the right church?
I've got to go. Happy feast of Ss. Peter and Paul tomorrow, all.
np bud :^)
Yeah, well you're RCC. Orthodox don't see it as theft since copying something was not considered theft when the commandment was written, in fact not until long, long afterward, so it's not theologically theft. It is arguably a sin because you are defying your authorities when they aren't demanding you to go against your faith, but that is not the same sin as theft. Just like if the authorities said killing a pig was murder, then killing a pig might be wrong in the sense of defying authorities, but it wouldn't theologically be murder.
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It should be the upside down triangle but with son and holy spirit on top and the father on bottom.
>It's not a mysthery that Orthodox Church in Soviet Union and in Eastern Block was controlled by state.
Citation needed. There was great persecution by the state, many thousands of parishes, hospitals, seminaries, monasteries, universities shut down, and many clergymen forced to make tough decisions under pressure, but there is nothing to suggest a complete subversive infiltration and takeover of the clergy by the KGB that continues to this day. And even if this bogus claim were true, the Church as a whole is still without blemish, as Russia is only one part of the whole.
>there are people that believe Orthodoxy or Catholicism are the right way
The Christian Church got corrupted so hard early on that it needs to be restored to the original values, not reformed. Join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Against degeneracy. Full of pure qt women. Almost exclusively white.
Ok thank you for clarifying, I understand that concept
The Orthodox Church was founded on Peter.
Catholics got mixed up and thought the "rock" is an office that gets passed down. Peter is called the rock for his role in founding the Church (Saint Jerome adds that all the Apostles were rocks, but Peter was the first among them, and he also is the first to be given the authority of the bishop, which is later conferred in the rest). The Pope of today had no role in founding the Church, so he's obviously not the rock.
Is there any biblical justification for the crusades?
I really wonder why those who make these threads just stop beating around the bush, and just say this is not a Christian General thread, but a Catholic and Orthodox thread. It's clear enough you regard any and all protestants with utter disdain, regardless of reasons.
The Mormon Bible is american and has some truths to it. You are the ignorant one.
Orthodoxs should admit there is connection beetwen Son and Holy Spirit. From the Father through the Son. I don't why why it became such a problem. In Filiquoe belived fathers of the church and popes like Leo I, and it wasn't any problem at that time.