The U.S. treated Latin America even worse than the U.S.S.R. treated Eastern Europe

>the U.S. treated Latin America even worse than the U.S.S.R. treated Eastern Europe

Why should we pick sides in imperialism?

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t. Vladimir Vladiskoviski Ivanov

If they hadn't done it, Brazil could be an oversized Cuba.

>telesur
I-I don't know how to feel about this...

holodomor alone was 142 times more deadly and that's assuming the highest estimates aren't complete bullshit which they are

>1000 at most
OH NO, IT'S ANNUDAH HOLOCOST.

Fuck off, that same amount of people die from homicide every week in Brazil.

As much as I hate LOS ESTADOS, I have to admit this one was a good thing

The choice between fake democracy or fake socialism. Hmm.

We've had Stalinist terror in the late 40s and early 50s, but after that the regime didn't resort to judicial murders, unlike Brazilian junta.

>Source: NGOs

they were literal communists

I like how we intervene in everyone's affairs, but then whine about "Russian meddling."

So still poor but solidary and well educated?
Help me out what's the downside here?

poorer with people fleeing the country because of the shitty life quality and with a smaller elite

This, and it's a good thing, we need a genocide anyway.

stop

>>>/venezuela/
ah yes, go enjoy the ''solidarity and good education'', but with no food or toilet paper, civil wars and the 6 gorillion inflation

>telesur
AKA USA did everything wrong, blame them not us the news network. It's amazing how receptive of people are to crap spewed straight from the mouth of their own government.
I wonder how many Venezuelans go to sleep hungry and curse USA but not their own incompetent government.

There's also Operation Gladio. Americans supported fascist terrorists in Italy . What an ally!

>No Food
Could it be that socialism is the best diet to fit into a suit for somebody's wedding within a month?

Fuck off, kremlinbot.

I need to lose a few kilos.
Might move to venezuela for a bit.

Serious question, why does leftism trigger you guys so much, we were nationalist socialists for near the full 20th century and not only enjoyed record economic growth through most of that but didn't go through the coups and juntas and shit your countries did, hell we could even afford to tell the Americans to fuck off like when Mexico was the sole country in the Western hemisphere not to break relations with Cuba.. We still managed to be the first Latin American nation in OECD.

In fact most of the violence and economic decline came after we signed NAFTA. I mean you guys aren't as savage as to be against universal health care or free public education o what's with all the edgy conservatism?

Well our agricultural sector was full on communist
The farmers seized the fields from the landlords and kept them for collective or family farming

so we all know now that LOS needs communism
leftism is an idealist system, it doesn't work irl in the log run because it's fantasy, power corrupts people and if on top on that you cut individual rights and rulers fall in love with power very easy the result won't be good, just like it happens in venezuela

I'm sure Italians are cursing the USA for preventing them from becoming another socialist paradise like the rest of Eastern Europe.

>record economic growth
>Mexico
>ever
Just no. Also us leafs never broke off relations with Cuba.

Thank god usa did this otherwise we'd be Cuba 2.0

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_miracle
I stand corrected on the relations thing, surprised you went against the Americans on that one.

Fair enough, I'm not really talking about extremism tho

>leftism is an idealist system, it doesn't work irl in the log run because it's fantasy, power corrupts people and if on top on that you cut individual rights and rulers fall in love with power very easy the result won't be good, just like it happens in venezuela

there are militar archives that affirm having 30.000 victims in argentina, don't know about the rest of the other countries

>I stand corrected on the relations thing, surprised you went against the Americans on that one.
It was all thanks to our incompetent prime minister Trudeau Sr. He was such a Castroboo that there was an actual conspiracy theory going around that our current PM, Trudeau Jr.'s true father was actually Castro.

This, i remember Hugo Chavez on tv pointing to private companies and telling his ministers to expropiate them, literally a fucking commie

HEBREW'd

?

>He was such a Castroboo that there was an actual conspiracy theory going around that our current PM, Trudeau Jr.'s true father was actually Castro.
No, there wasn't, you literal faggot. Nobody outside of Sup Forums thinks that and not breaking off relations with Cuba is a good thing.

Dead commies are not an affectation, on the contrary, they are a benefit. Fuck teleSUR and their sob marxist crap.

The problem with USA is that it keeps meddling and unleashing chaos in favor of their fucking companies and in our detriment. And to rub salt in the wound, they can get away with every shit they carry out abroad because their government cannot be sued, and the torts take place outside of the US/ don't affect US in the slightest according to their judiciary system so they don't give a fuck. However, they expect us to do their biding.

They will never extradict any American that carries out actions that affect these countries but we (in our case) have to extradict any fucktard that commits a crime that affects American interests ( those mutherfuckers who killed that DEAnigger guy Terry Watson IN FUCKING COLOMBIAN SOIL are an example).

Talk about being "allies" and reciprocity (and not puppets and lap dogs, which is what we really are).

>muh venezeula
>opposition given $60 million by the US
>opposition burning stockpiles of food
>opposition responsible for more murders than maduro
>opposition has attempted multiple coups
>opposition literally begging the us to invade them and install a puppet government
Ah yes, Maduro is just an ebil commie who's fears are not at all based in reality!

Brazil would have decent doctors?

>still running with this
Can't wait for the Scheer asspain coming from Tories in 2019.

Is there a worse specimen than the Latin American right-winger? These creatures should not even be called human. Just look at them grovel. They are quiet literally applauding a foreign intervention into their national affairs. These traitorous cuckholds would happily live under a brutal dictatorship and sell off their entire nation to the U.S. in the hopes that they might "kill the commies". It's especially disgusting coming from countries that have suffered under some form of foreign exploitation for the past 500 years. There is nothing worse than a traitorous, backstabbing vermin that hates his nation, and yet, they continue to infest the continent like the pests they are.

based chicanobro droppils the REAL redpills

nationalpost.com/news/canada/no-internet-fidel-castro-isnt-trudeaus-real-father-the-canadian-prime-minister-just-really-really-looks-like-him
I didn't say I believe it I'm saying it was a conspiracy theory. Trudeau Sr. however was a massive Castro-idolizing faggot who tried to implement similar policies (NEP) and got half the country to curse the Trudeau name for decades.
While Cubans in Florida were celebrating Castro's death, Trudeau Jr.'s response was to congratulate him on his """"successful""" rule.
pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro

Scheer is a soulless Harperbot but at least he'd never send a get well soon card to Kim Jung Un.

>Is there a worse specimen than the Latin American right-winger?
yes, left-winged 1st worlders, or ''1st worlders'' in the case of the US.

>7,000-30,000

Wait, people seriously hate America for saving much of Latin America from communism?

Castro was successful you retard, Cuban "exiles" are mostly butthurt landowners who are mad because Castro freed their slaves.

>my post
>"i kno u r but what am i!! ha leftists bTFO xDDD"
Another stunning argument from the right-winged """""intellectual""""".

There is nothing wrong with communism because it will destroy white people

>saving latin america from communism
Into the trash it goes, my clapping friend. If anything, the U.S. has only fueled communist movement in Latin America. The first left-wing politicians to arise on the continent were not communists, but mostly a collection of Social-Democrats and some socialists. But, endless U.S. intervention has pushed them further left than they would have ever gone on their own.

>daily mail
Ah yes, the Venezuelan opposition burning down food stockpiles, lighting people on fire, shooting rocket launchers at police to provoke them, and forming mobs to beat up any government supporter, all while being given $50 million by the U.S. truly shows the evils of the Maduro regime.

>dis on person holding a sign represents the entire left!
Into the trash it goes.

Shut the fuck up, the US is an inherently leftist entity and through its existence has attempted to spread left-liberal democracy. Just like the soviet union attempted to spread communism and ended up with shit like the norks, the US in its quest for "freedom" occasionally ended up supporting some dictatorships. The point is that the US was founded on left-liberal enlightenment ideals and as such today is a supporter of israel, the fsa, some kurd groups, is anti-russia, etc.

You're being incredibly contradictory anyway "all right wingers in latin america are traitors", when fucking communists don't even believe in culture, national spirit, etc. Objectively speaking and without room for argument, only a communist could be said to "hate his nation", since communism is inherently globalist and any maoist or stalinist "communism in one country" post-marxist thought was just a political compromise because they realized their utopian ideals were absurdly idealistic. Your rhetoric is entirely non-leftist.

The US represents either neoliberalism or neoconservatism depending on the day. If it backs right wing governments sometimes that's just a result of being an occidental enemy of communism. An important thing to note is that a lot of these so called right wing dictatorships weren't ever right wing at all, they had no essential core ideology, they were just corrupt dictatorships existing for themselves only.

>>>/cuba/
>>>/venezuela/
>>>/china/
go live in the '''''''''''''''paradise'''''''''''''' until it falls as they always do, you lazy junkie craving for slavery, starvation and censorship

>dis on person holding a sign represents the entire left!
It's not just 1 person sweetie!

>US is an inherently leftist entity
Stopped reading.

This.

America didn't do anything good. Venezuela isn't a socialist country, is a nigger shithole, maduro can't spell socialism.

Neoliberalism and neoconservatives are the same shit, the only difference is that neoconservatives are into muh baby Jesus

>people seriously hate America
Are you fucking 12?

The USA! USA! USA! (USA dindu nuffin) type is worse.

>Neoliberalism and neoconservatives are the same shit
that's what I said yeah

tell me when you have an argument

I can't for the life of me think of a single nation that leans more right than you and isn't an Islamic theocracy.

Castro did a great job of being played as a pawn of the USSR, sentencing his people to decades of economic stagnation, and doubling down when his master dissolved and cut him loose.
Now his regime is being held together solely by extreme censorship.
Modern day Cuba has only two futures in store. Either they can again double down and turn into the NK of the Caribbean, or the Castro's are removed from power.

>Is there a worse specimen than the Latin American right-winger? These creatures should not even be called human. Just look at them grovel
This is a fair point. Why are right wingers in LatAm so traitorous and globalist?

>china
Nobody with a brain thinks China is "communist", you literal retard.
>Venezuela
Surely lowered oil prices and incompetency are an integral part of left-wing ideology.
>Cuba
Has done very well for itself, lifting millions out of poverty, constructing infrastructure such as hospitals and schools for even the most poor, most remote mountain villages, despite being being embargoed by their closest neighbor and worlds-largest-economy for the past 50 years.

>sentencing his people to decades of economic stagnation, and doubling down when his master dissolved and cut him loose.
As opposed to economic """""growth"""""" where plantation owners would get exponentially richer and nothing would change for the average Cuban? I would much rather live in a """"""stagnant"""""" country that cared about infrastructure, education, healthcare, and the general well-being of it's people than a """booming""" economy where rich politicians point to a GDP graph every few years to get re-elected while nothing improves.

>tell me when you have an argument
You don't get to pretend to have an argument when you start out with "the US is inherently leftist".

I don't know. There are some right-wingers in LatAm that don't want to immediately sell off their country to the West, but such people are few and far inbetween.

If the people here are more right wing in general it's only because we subconsciously understand our place in the world (the place that we took up by doing manifest destiny, monroe doctrine, cuban war, participating in the world wars, etc, i.e, the place of the left-liberal interventionist) and are scared of its implications. If a radically democratic, open-borders (inb4 trump memes, US has always historically been very open), cosmopolitan and interventionist superpower were taken to its greatest logical extent the result would be some cultureless shithole and people don't want that. So there's a much stronger conservative reaction here than in other countries, and there always has been.
The eventual result of the US might also be something like the star trek federation, maybe people don't want that either.

If you read my post I explain why that's true

>to the West
What do you even think you mean by "the West" exactly?

NATO.

>I would much rather live in a """"""stagnant"""""" country that cared about infrastructure, education, healthcare, and the general well-being of it's people than a """booming""" economy where rich politicians point to a GDP graph every few years to get re-elected while nothing improves.
No one is forcing you to stay in the USA. Go ask some of the Cubans in your country that fled Castro via some of the most shoddily constructed rafts ever built and see how many want to go back.
Just imagine how shit your country has to be to see pic related as a more desirable option.

I didn't say the US was either of those things you retard. I was comparing it to pre-revolution Cuba.
>Just imagine how shit your country has to be to see pic related as a more desirable option.
I would be pretty mad too if some guy came and took away the slaves my family had owned for 500 years.

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands who left Cuba were all former slave owners. Not victims of Castro's totalitarian regime but former slave owners. And that's why they left for USA, a country that also doesn't let you own slaves.
It's impossible that they saw a better, richer, and more free life in the US vs Cuba?

>they saw a better, richer
Sounds like they were just economic migrants desu :^)

>and more free life
Also good to see were in agreement that the Cuban ecnomy was so bad it drove hundreds of thousands to spend what little resources they had on leaving ASAP

if you lose your slaves why would you care if slavery is legal or illegal in the country you're heading to, it doesn't matter anyway since you no longer have any

I was retorting the preposterous point that Cuban exiles were all slave owners. If not owning slaves is what prompted them to leave why would America be their destination?

>with all the edgy conservatism?
They're dumb fucking Sup Forumsscum. The Brazilian is the biggest insufferable cunt out of the lot, who has been vomiting out this sort of delusional garbage for a good year or two now.
Out of all those killed throughout SA, these subhuman conservative niggers manage to avoid a death which would actually be a net positive. They're more than likely spoiled little cunts from well off families, who benefit more from the suffering of others, just like the little bastards in Burgerstan who scream communism at the idea of those who weren't born into comfort receiving a single cent of their unjustly earned incomes.

Conservatism is a mental illness, steeped in a lack of empathy combined with a deep rooted hypocrisy.

You forgot the 100000 people who died from starvation every year and the 8000 natives the army killed.

I never claimed they left to somewhere that had slavery, stop putting words in my mouth you literal retard. All I was saying was that they were mad at Castro for taking them.

Good to see that you've ignored the fact that regardless of "economy", life still improved for the vast majority of Cubans.

You don't deserve the life you have, scum.

>Why are right wingers in LatAm so traitorous and globalist?
The dictatorship killed most of the nationalists from the right.

>Conservatism is a mental illness, steeped in a lack of empathy combined with a deep rooted hypocrisy.
Big statement that says nothing

>those who weren't born into comfort receiving a single cent of their unjustly earned incomes
I shouldn't have to remind you that there is (or at least was) a very large right wing anti-capitalist movement. Ok so, wealth redistribution, then what? Then sjw shit and destruction of world cultures and religions and maybe feminism too and also materialism. You pretend to care so much about ending capitalism and then when the right is like "yeah let's end capitalism" you all say "no I care about all this sjw shit too much"

And your socio-economic class is

>I never claimed they left to somewhere that had slavery, stop putting words in my mouth you literal retard. All I was saying was that they were mad at Castro for taking them.
So mad they risked their lives on shoddy rafts? No rational person, let alone hundreds of them, would leave a country because the state took their slaves away. They left because Castro's regime was and still is an absolute mess that holds no accountability of the well being of it's people. He wouldn't even trust his own treatment in the hands of the Cubans he "enriched".

>Good to see that you've ignored the fact that regardless of "economy", life still improved for the vast majority of Cubans.
Life improved for literally every country in the world since the 30s. Even modern Africa is way richer and healthier than 80 years ago but no is calling them a success.
Maybe if Castro gave his people access to the leagues of information, technology, and advancements made since the 30s instead of censoring it all Cuban innovations would go beyond trying to making ancient tractors run for another 40 years.

hundreds of thousands*

I don't hate left-wing politics on their own, but i hate the fact that it is so easy for populists here to use leftist ideas to gain support and rise to power, and then enrich themselves.
It's very toxic for socities like ours where the poor and ignorant are the majority. You give them one or two things for free and they will support you forever, and they'll be blind and not see how you are fucking the country in the ass.

Ludicrous.

The military regimes in S. America were MUCH less harsh than the Soviet-imposed dictatorships in Eastern Europe.

This data is bogus. The Argentinian regime killed no more than 10,000. The thirty thousand disappeared is confirmed to be a lie. Many of the dead under Pinochet were Cuban terrorists brought to Chile by Allende.

In Poland alone the Soviets killed more than all military regimes in South America together.

Telesur is a propaganda-disinformation channel created by the Venezuelan government.

>spoiled 1st worlder leftie tells me what I deserve and what not
lmao, you dont even know what life do I have, retard

t. history major pro

Answer my question please.

I know that's a meme question but I'm not traitorous, the opposite, I want my country to develope and have good moral values, unlike leftards

There are traitorous people on both sides. It's the rampant corruption we have that goes beyond any ideology.

>have good moral values
How does turning oneself into a banana republic do that?

True, without whites the communists have nobody to pay their bills and the illusion of success will dissipate even quicker.

by having left wings to rule your country

>banana republic
Like Venezuela? Right wingers want decentralized and diversified economies.

By this point we get blame for india not having toilets, to venezuela being dependent on oil. I love it!

look up the term banana republic and its history before spewing shit like a retard

you have no clue what you're talking about
youtube.com/watch?v=QgydTdThoeA

>I want my country to develope
we are a neo colony, no matter who you vote we will still be pawns of the leading nations
grim, I know

I know, but with leftards restricting trade and stuff developing would be even harder (or impossible)

We don't which is why the US stages a new coup every year around these parts. Which is why they sell weapons to druglords in Mexico and just basically any trick they can think of to destabilize the region

Don't pay attention to the posters here, they're basically the 1% of the population, Sup Forumstards

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