Explain to me how the U.S. "lost" the War of 1812.
All they did was burn the White House. That doesn't count as a win. Even then they had the British do it. I mean sure their goal was to stop us from invading Canada, but our goal was to stop them from giving more land to Indians in the north. It was a stalemate at best.
You invaded Canada
You were driven back and humiliated
You lost
It was a clusterfuck. Only good thing we did was kill several British generals at the battle of New Orleans. But you burned our capital you won. But it gave us a popular Andrew Jackson in the end.
Meant to reply to the leaf
We burned your capital too. By your logic you lost.
US started a war to get what it wanted. You didn't get it. You lost.
Same as every war you've been involved in post WW2
Desert Storm was fucking perfect.
On the plus side, we've been bros for 200 years since then
When did I mention burning your capital? Your invasion failed, it's really not about who burned what
Ironically, we had gotten what we wanted before the declaration of war reached the UK. The war itself was basically caused by a series of fuck ups based on the shoddy logistics of the time. I'm sure your teachers gave you false information in school so that you Canadians can have something to be proud of other than being Britain's doormat, bug even the victories of the British in 1812 were won solely by British soldiers, not Canucks.
Actually my history teacher just treated it as one theater of the Napoleonic Wars, guess it's the British perspective
Andrew fucking Jackson.
Everyone gets false information in school so they can feel good about their country though.
We had almost no lessons on 1812. You basically had to look it up yourself if you wanted to know what it was about.
You're god damn right it was
We barely covered it too.
We don't care about you two morons, so our history books doesn't contain a single page about you except the burger bombing Japan or making profits by selling weapons in both world wars like crooked jews or how Columbus sucked at navigating the sea. We cover more about Mayans and Incas than you two.
POO
>canada burned te white house 200 years ago
>now they let their own country burn
in my school they never taught it because history class was all ww2 stuff and even then it wasn't in depth
who invite Pajeet?
We didn't cover a lesson on that one either
You don't need to invite us, we are everywhere. There is no clay on Earth where you wouldn't find us.
Find your shit maybe
oi stop being mean
they are related to you
yeah they beat you up when you were small but you were being a faggot
be nice to your commonwealth family
My history class was 50% Revolutionary War and 50% Holocaust, we didn't learn much about the actual war beyond D-Day.
Can't really call it a loss or a win. It started with Americans wanting to take more from the Brits, Brits then saw it as an opportunity to possibly take back what was once theirs. Brits were repelled and shit on, Jackson defeated the only general to defeat Napoleon.
It was kind of a stalemate famalam. Point remains that we got to continue being a country, and eventually pushed all English and French influence out of the US. Andrew Jackson helped end a lot of issues with the Indians. He also took an orphaned Indian as his own son...
>no lessons on poo
no wonder you can't shit right
The Canadian perspective is pretty simple to understand. In the War of 1812, an American army invaded Canada and failed. It was therefore an unequivocal Canadian win. The fate of Michigan and controversies over impressment and so on and so forth are utterly irrelevant to the Canadian perspective for the simple reason that they don't involve Canada.
When country A invades country B and the result of the war is status quo ante bellum, country B is the winner.
Canada/Britain got scared of a tornado and ran away.
aren't you just a poo off of india's coast?
oh christ the holocaust and internment camp shit never ended
I always thought the war was started over Britain cucking our sailors and after the war they stopped doing that. Not an American loss, especially considering our tactical victories at New Orleans and Baltimore, and newfound international recognition.
What lol no we havn't don't pretend the US is our friend.
>other white people aren't your friends, goyim.
nope we poo in the loo
even the poorest Lankan poos in the loo
US is not a commonwealth nation, you would have known that if you were not busy taking a refuge to Australia instead of going to a school.
Considering how jewish dominated the US is and was not really appropriate m8.
You need to live in your country to poo in loo, all you do is take refuge to other countries.
Holy shitnickels rare
>Jewish lobbies control the American legislature therefore Americans are the enemy of Britons who are also controlled by Jewish lobbies
No one's falling for your divide and conquer tactics, Chaim.
America won because all 3 fronts by the British and her allies failed to achieve their objectives.
-Washington D.C?
Routed, but only after they burn the city. They attempted to destroy the military garrisons, but are repelled with ease.
-Ohio Valley region?
Routed, never having made any serious gains or objectives. Literal stalemate.
-New Orleans?
Motherfucking Andrew Jackson repels a force that is greater and better equipped than his by using pirates, Indians, and his own personal army to royally slaughter the British ala 1914-style.
So, while Leafs may gloat about burning some buildings or Brits may not care about a petty slap fight during the Napoleonic Wars, we won international prestige and opened ourselves up to becoming the superpower we are.
SRI
Canadians still try to pretend it was them, not British soldiers, that did anything. They cling to it because they know they exist at America's whim here in 2016.
Also, Britain completely humiliated itself in the final battle: The Battle of New Orleans.
>if you burn your enemies White House down, they win
What do you have to say about that Canacucks?
>There is no clay on Earth where you wouldn't find us.
Yes there is. The clay by a toilet.
>declare an offensive war
>fight it entirely in your own territory
>successfully defend against foreign army... in an offensive war... that you started
>""""""america won"""""""
The war of 1812 didn't mean shit. We had a little tiff wiith our British neighbors, and then we shook hands and made up. Nobody really gained shit from it. But whatever, if Canadians want to brag about how they burned down the White House (even though it was the British, but whatever) then so be it. It doesn't fucking matter.
The War of 1812 was about as much of an offensive war as World War II.
>It was therefore an unequivocal Canadian win.
That's funny considering Canada didn't even exist.
Indians consider the whole world as a part of India, toilets are considered foreign soils or the embassy of witches.
Every was is like a world war for US, you have never fought someone of your own size alone, all you do is pick up fights with small nations. No wonder Vietnam beat the shit out of "Muh burger superpower"
Pretty rare desu
We were in the middle of fighting the Napoleonic wars, remember.
>Every was is like a world war for US, you have never fought someone of your own size
Wrong. We tangled with the premier world superpower, Great Britain, twice. After 1945, no country matched our size and no country ever will. We can't fight a country that doesn't exist.
Meanwhile, the majority of your country's population doesn't have access to toilets and you have zero (0) aircraft carriers while bullying your weak neighbor Pakistan, the very crime you accused America of.
Kill yourself
>be angry about some boundary disputes
>wait until britain is embroiled in a huge european war against napoleon
>"now's our chance!"
>get driven back almost immediately
>manage to successfully defend against a few scattered british colonial regiments that happened to be in the theatre at the time after your offensive war goes sour
>ends in status quo ante bellum
>""""""""american victory!"""""""""
It was a 19th Century version of Capture the Flag gone wrong.
Have you ever thought about how at the beach you are basically just swimming in indian shit?
>Objective was to annex the Canadas
>Failed to achieve that objective
>calls that a stalemate
Yes, you were able to drive out foreign influence in your country but you didn't achieve your goals.
>we didn't lose any territory in Vietnam
>we totally won guise
10/10
>Canada didn't even exist
>Despite the area being known as Upper and Lower Canada
Nice try but the people of Canada had considered themselves Canadians for a long time. They didn't consider themselves British or French anymore.
Says the territory.
>Britain impresses our sailors to fill their ships in the European war
>meanwhile they also fund a native american rebellion on our western border
>America sallies forth and destroys the British armed, equipped, and supplied indian confederation with minimal losses while repelling countless British invasions and inflicting humiliation and humilition
>British agree to stop impressing our sailors and we agree to return all the territory we captured
>Status quo ante bellum, IE American victory, ensues
>Canadian people existing = Canada exists
wrong.
Considering your armies were beaten back by Canadian militiamen you lost to Canadians.
All you need to know about the war of 1812 is this song.
>Implying the war had one cause
>Implying it didn't have numerous causes, most of which were British aggression which stopped after the war
Overall we won even if we didn't take all our objectives
This seems hard for you to understand so I'm going to try to spell it out in a way even you can grasp.
If you declare a war with the goal of acquiring territory, and that war ends without having acquired any territory, you lost that war.
>that shifting of the goal posts
no one claims that the USA lost except bongs and leaves trying to fuck with burgers. It was a stalemate
>First we have 2 aircraft carriers, and are building 2 aircraft carrier of our own.
>Second Pakistan went on war with us, we never initiated any war after Independence.
>Third, Vietnam war wasn't even your war, it was between French and Veitnam but nah, you dragged yourself in and lost.
>Iraq never had WMDs but nah, you barged in to bring freedom and democracy there and look that got the world ISIS now.
>You funded terrorism in Pak and it blew your own buildings in 9/11
>You supported the Bangladeshi genocide committed by the Pakis and even tried to barge yourself to support Pakistan in 1971 war and you were chased back to Pacific by Nuclear armed USSR vessels.
Your whole nation is like a kid with a gun, no matter what model gun that is, the chances of you hurting yourself or someone else are the same.
thewire.in
>bangladesh up to 99% poo in loo
>sri lanka all poo in loo
>india still have 536 million who won't poo in loo
Jokes on you that's blocked in my country.
Being a territory doesn't mean you're British
>The area is known as the Canadas
>The people consider themselves Canadians
>Canada and Canadians didn't exist!
American education
Our goal wasn't the acquisition of enemy territory; our goal was to force the British to cease impressment of American sailors.
>America is one person
We declared war to stop the British from violating our sovereignty, and the canadian territories were a threat to be neutralized, nothing more.
hate speech is illegal in the British emprie so doesn't surprise
Oh wow, you guys have books?
When are you getting toilets?
France lost to the British too, so that makes you a loser living in a loser country
Nah just shitty SME copyright stuff coming out of your country.
Even if it's a British territory?
Americans will do as much mental gymnastics as are necessary to turn any failure of theirs into a victory.
Just look at these retards.
>we never wanted territory anyways guys we were just pretending
Yes, citizens of the Empire sure but not British.
>british kidnap americans and make them serve on their ships
>british stop with that shit afterwards
sounds like a win
we got too ambitious when we thought we could take canada though
in the end, the canadians lost though. They could've been part of the union and gained all the benefits of american industry during the past two centuries
>Explain to me how the U.S. "lost" the War of 1812.
Have you ever lost your car keys? Well, that's how it happens user. That's how we lost that war.
By "you" I am implying "your nation" if you are too dumb to understand it yourself
Somewhere near "When you cankucks will be able to put down a fire without importing Niggers from Africa"
Canada is an independent nationstate that did not come into being until the next century following the war. Sorry lad but you can't take credit for the based Anglo's heroism.
President Madison didn't once mention your irrelevant wasteland when asking Congress to declare war on the British Empire.
Its widely know that we went to war for more than just land. There are no goal posts to be moved.
>he thinks even the majority of the American nation agrees with the actions of our government
>The American invasions were beaten by troops raised and trained in the Canadas
>People that considered themselves Canadians
>In the Canadian territories
>But Canada and Canadians didn't exist
Widely known by American historical revisionists you mean?
I don't but you guys never accept the wrong doings committed by your own government (which you chose in the first place) either.
>Sorbian people exist therefore Sorbia exists
Try again
>Americans never accept the wrongdoings committed by your own government
That's why America's most popular political figure is campaigning on a platform that includes "The Iraq War was a mistake". idiot
>I, a fucking leaf living in the 21st century, know know more about the true intentions of the US than its leaders did at the time
edsitement.neh.gov
This is how it went down
>Be America, 1812
>Britfags kept on turning our sailors to British navy
>Britfags would routinely blockade us
>Britfags would have Native Americans attack us
>US had enough of this shit, declares war
>War goes on
>US wins some battles, Britain wins some battles
>Britain burns down capital. We still don't surrender
>Continue fighting.
>US thinks that a Canadian invasion would work.
>Fails
>Continue fighting
>Realize neither side is winning
>Call peace
>Britfags stop annoying US
That sums up the war. A conquest of Canada was NOT a main goal of the US. Compare it to a battle that the US failed to win, just like how Britain lost the battle of Lake Erie. The goal of the war was mainly to make Britain to stop bothering us like we weren't a country, and it worked, despite it being a tie. We ended up showing the world that we weren't willing to go submit to others will.
What's point of doing that almost a decade after the actual war idiot?
The white house got burned down bien for you to back diwn?
AT LEAST YOU DIDNT GET NUKED TWICE
It doesn't fucking matter why we disagree with the past actions of our government, all that matters in this case is that we do because you contended that we don't.
fucking dravidians literally shitting up my board
>delusional yanks itt think they won after they get their shit kicked in by militiamen and have their capital raised to the ground
haha nice war there burgers, couldnt even beat an empire fighting napoleon, and even then your only victories were against indians and a naval assault against entrenched positions. no wonder your country is so fucked if this is where your national anthem comes from... kek
>his country lost a war to flightless birds
>thinks he can lecture other countries on their records
And at the time, Canada wasn't even a fucking country. It was still considered British land. Also, a goal of Britain was to take control of part of the US, which also failed, so you can't really bring up the argument that since the US failed to invade Canada since Britain failed to invade the US.
Its truly pathetic. They manage to negotiate a draw with a bunch of third stringers in a war that they themselves started, while the big boys were fighting the real fight in Europe.
>while the big boys were fighting the real fight in Europe.
Reminder that America singlehandedly won both European world wars while Canada contributed like 2 artillery regiments
>Leaf talking shit about war of 1812 to Amerifats
>Wasn't even a country in 1812, but just a British Colony that's only defense was British soldiers.