Were the Cardassians in the wrong?

Were the Cardassians in the wrong?
Were the Cardassians wrong?

With every rewatch I honestly hate the Bajorans more and more.

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>With every rewatch I honestly hate the Bajorans more and more.
They were the ones being occupied, their resources strip mined, their population forced into slave labor
Stop being an edge lord

yes and no to both

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>Be Cardassian
>Recognize that Bajorans are a primitive race who still worship gods and pray to some retarded orbs
>Occupy their low technology planet and leave behind hospitals, roads, and a multitude of new technologic advancements
>All you ask for is that they pay their debts and show respect
>They revolt and kill you for it

Cardassians have done LITERALLY nothing wrong

Dukat takes Sisko, Worf, Odo and O'Brien disguised as Klingons to go expose the Changeling responsible for the last year of warfare on his own species. And Dukat still jumps into bed less than a month or so later with the Dominion.

No, the Cardassians did nothing right. That was the whole point of their near-annihilation at the end of the series.

I was annoyed that the whole bajoran religion was actually true.

Late seasons Dukat was quite honestly a retarded cartoon-tier villain.

Really poorly handled how he just degraded personality wise like that.

How many lights?

lame 1984 ripoff

lame contrarian opinion

>I've never read 1984

But they had faggoty earrings

God Marc Alaimo(Dukat) has the sexiest voice I've ever heard. Wish he got more work both in TV and Vidya.

>I don't agree, he must be contrarian!
sucks to be (you)

He's got such a great grizzled look, he should have got more roles in general.

The only thing wrong that cardassians ever did was not killing all the bajorans.

Also dukat was a degenerate pervert who enjoyed bajoran women.

Hes built like a scarecrow though.

>this highly regarded episode is actually bad!
>Star Trek paying homage to a classic? that never happened before!

Why are Bashir and O'Brien allowed to go fight in the Alamo on their DS9 downtime? Even though it's just a holosuite recreation it feels as real as real life itself. Wouldn't they get PTSD or maybe some other type of combat related illness that might interfere with their day job?

Do you get PTSD from playing Call of Duty?

I doubt playing FPS games on the holodeck can make you as scared as really being at war as long as you know you're in a holodeck and can't actually get hurt.

And Miles would probably love a real war too, Jewls would poop his turban though.

>Bashir, genehanced, getting PTSD
>O'Brian, been through 100 hells, getting PTSD

Nah, don't think so bud

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It's okay, you can admit you just liked Picards ottermode.

They are wrong because they are perennial LOSERS. Seriously, they are slightly above Kazons in terms of space fleets and are basically Space North Korea. In the end, they felt the half chub force of Fed lazy wrath. Were they really up against a truely angry Fed, the entire Cardassian system would be subspaced by a million tri-cobalt torpedoes by now.

Miles is a fucking warrior indeed. 235 combat assignments, no issues at all, they had to put a 20 year prison sentence and memories of him being a murderer in his head to phase him at all, and he got over that in a couple of days.

The cardassians believed themselves superior.

They claimed to have superior technology, training, nuclear family and even a superior education system.

This is all to cover the mass inadequacy and insecurity from being driven back by people they had so utterly in their thrall before. They were beaten by fewer numbers with less resources that planned everything under their noses.

So yeah they were in the wrong simply because they were the losers. They were demonstrably wrong.

They tried to feign strength by submitting themselves to another culture. Which is hilarious. They attempted to gain strength by giving themselves to those they perceived as the strongest.

The Bajorans were right because they were stronger. They were stronger because they never gave in, they never quit.

If might makes right, like the Cardassians seem to think, then the Bajorans were right.

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>What you call genocide I call a day's work

>Time's Orphan

Easily the worst episode of DS9.

>Whoa my daughter grew up in an apocalyptic wasteland
>should we use any of the myriad of medical and psychological breakthroughs we have had over the last 400 years and countless contact with other, more advanced species to help her?
>Nah, just send her back, we have another kid already

Star Trek is always at its worst when it has to ignore the fact that they live in the future.

I doubt there have been many breakthroughs in domesticating feral children, that doesn't happen now never mind 400 years from now.

They were an inferior race, still worshiping sky wizards in an age where you can travel from star system to star system within a few days.

The Cardassians took this burdensome race upon themselves, and gave it everything.

In return they merely wanted some resources (which the Bajorans probably never even knew existed in the first place) and some land.

After showing Sisko the faked Dominion meeting, Garak said he would be along to his quarters "to say hello".

What did Garak mean by this?

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

She was 10 when she got left there, and was only there for like 8 or 9 years.

They easily could have rehabilitated her. Hell, they even mention a facility to send her to but the O'Brians thought "eh, too much time."

what about that time he started a cult and cucked that Bajoran guy then told him it was still his son

5 I think.

>literally Space Satan
>did nothing wrong

>Recognize that Bajorans are a primitive race who still worship gods and pray to some retarded orbs

orbs that let them talk to aliens that live out of time and can tell them the future

why didn't it tell them they were gonna get cucked by Cardassia then

obrien also suffered in bada bing bada bang

cassidy leaves him to casino security for a cavity search while everyone else celebrates

No what makes it the worst episode is that from the very beginning they should've just used the portal to get mollys younger self from the past but because the first time they tried they were late they gave up and their excuse for not trying again was bullshit.

The reason they condemned their daughter to 10 years of solitude and psychological damage on an alien planet was because going back in time and preventing it from happening would cause the version of her that endured the 10 years of solitude to not exist which is the same as condoning her being trapped there.

The problem with this episode is really that time travel solves all problems so all the characters had to act stupid to manufacture an episode.

>still believes in the bajoran "occupation" even after their own gods supposedly gave no fucks.

Talking to the orbs isn't communicating with the prophets, if it was then they would have known who Quark was before he showed up to the wormhole.

I loved his bit-part in Naked Gun 33 1/3

if they did the events would have gone differently and they would have never met Sisko The Prophet centuries later

OP is talking about a show about a shopping mall in outer space that has a "captain."

The Bajorans are shitheads
The Cardassians were still completely in the wrong.
Ezri did nothing wrong.

Honestly I feel like Dukat taking over and getting Cardassia into the Dominion was probably one of his more excusable actions. Cardassia was pretty much cursed by virtue of “geography” and would have been conquered by the Dominion before the Federation could help them. Also its not Cardassia contributed very much to the wargiven they never fully recovered from the last one, and I think even the Federation realized this which is why they dont really hesitate to keep back channels open, especially since they at least knew that Dukat probably wasnt replaced by a changeling, which I think was an important reason he did what he did.

I'm on season 2 of DS9, and I love the Cardassians.

The Bajorans are fucking useless.

I just wanna eat Kira's asshole.

Kim Cardassian lmao

It wasnt really though. The prophets werent gods just weird aliens. If anything I think they always considered that explanation to be really insulting and blasphemous.

It made sense at the time but was obviously short sighted.

We all know that Damar was the true hero of the war and deserved better.

Like Sisko being asspained about 20th century racism.

Considering how in general Sisko is in love with the past I can understand it.

>didn't kill all the bajorans
>actually fucked bajoran women on regular basis
>didn't fucking abort the fetus when one got pregnant

He was a traitor Cardassia and its because of him that they lost.

There is only one good Cardassian.

Am I the only one who thinks that Cardie women are p qt?

Yes and you should feel bad.

I like their blue spoons.

I would Visit her Nana.

Naw, Damar pretty much just got drunk and went with the flow of events the entire series. Even his final “betrayal” of the dominion didnt happen until they were already losing the war and didnt accomplish much other than get a lot of cardassians killed needlessly because it was so uncoordinated. What Damar needed to be doing was keeping Dukat focused and his personality issues in check.

>didn't accomplish much
>Literally turned around the final space battle where the Alliance was losing and allowed them to beat the Dominion
>Allowed them to capture a Founder and force her to negotiate with Odo to end the war

You call that "not much"?

The dominion was already losing by that point, because they couldnt bring more reinforcements through the wormhole and their last trump card, the Breen tech, was already exhausted. They knew the Cardassian contribution was worthless already which is why they were totally sidelined in favor of the Breen. Maybe if Damar had coordinated ahead of time the Federation could have bypassed the defenses and ended the war without their even needing to be a battle, but they were going to win regardless.

Logistically, the Dominion War made no sense.


Hell, space warfare as depicted in Star Trek makes no sense.

Yeah it always ends up like normal naval warfare on a 2D plane. I think Ender's Game is one of the few sci-fi movies/shows I've seen that actually did space battles well.

you think those are erogenous zones?

Cardassians don't have erogenous zones, they are incapable of feeling pleasure.

O'Brien spent years smashing Cardassian infants under his boot heel. A bunch of Mexicans aren't gonna phaser him.

He's just autistic about historical realism and didn't like how the holodeck program was glossing over something.

>any damage the ship takes has to be reflected on the bridge

I understand why they chose to do this but it still feels ridiculous.

>random fuse blows up
>THE CAPTAIN'S DEAD

He is Sup Forums complaining about black people in an Egyptian movie.
>Egypt was white! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

Everyone talks about VOY ruining the Borg, which they did, but why didn't the Borg care more about the ship? It was melding tech with biology relatively seemlessly. That should have been a plot point instead of unimatrix zero.

Star Trek has always been very allegorical with a very naval theme, so I think its excusable in this case. Behind all the techo-babble the actual science has always been very elementary, not really the focus of the story.

And I get that which is why I don't really care. But still I watch something like Ender's Game where they attack from all angles and use crazy patterns and think "Why can't they do something more like that?"

>and gave it everything
This is a bad thing, the prime directive was made specifically to guard against it. Just because helping out seems like a good idea at the time, that doesn't mean the long term effects caused by it will be a net positive.

Just look at what happens on Earth when a primitive civilization is suddenly thrust into the modern era, with all the politics and technology that brings.

Childhood is idolizing Bajor
Adulthood is realizing Cardassia makes so much more sense.

Not even. All Cardies are Tardies.

Well, lesser of two tards is still a tard. But still.

Enlightenment is realizing the Ferengi were right.

>Ancaps
>right

I'm sorry, which Rule of Acquisition was the NAP?

Weapons Grade Autism incoming:

Alright so the episode "Rules of Acquisition" in season 2 is the first time we ever hear about the Dominion. If you need a refresher, it's the episode where the ferengi woman disguises herself as a man and the Grand Nagus sends them to the Gamma Quadrant to negotiate with the silly face paint aliens for some tulaberries.

But what they of course find out is that it was just a setup by the Nagus to get Quark to find out what he could about the Dominion. They're only mentioned by name, you don't see them, and the episode doesn't go any further with it. Pretty neat.

But then a few episodes later, in "Sanctuary", we learn that the oatmeal people were subjugated for 800 years by this other race on their homeworld in the Gamma Quadrant, until that race was conquered by the Dominion, which sends them scattered throughout space (inb4 MUH REFUGEES).

So when the oatmeal lady mentions to Sisko and crew that their oppressors were conquered by the Dominion, Dax and Sisko look at each other like "oh shit".

How the flying fuck would they have even known about the Dominion??? At this point, only the Grand Nagus and Quark really know about them.

Is there something I missed? I've been watching the episodes, but it just seems like lazy writing to me.

Or the Cardassians could have traded peacefully with the Bajorans like the Federation does and both would have better off.

Ferengi aren't Ancap. They believe in rules.

>tells his son constantly how evil and vile humons are
>immediately plots to enslave their species using superior technology when he's sent back to Earth's past

Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun!

Quark is friends with most of the DS9 crew, not unreasonable to think he talked to them since they wouldn't interfere with his business shit.

His nephew, sorry

Where's a paul blart edit with Odo then?

Quark is a massive hypocrite, that's an establishing character trait

the last season is not real. its a coput because they were being cancelled

They can breed like Salamanders.

The Ferengi were treated totally schizophrenically by the DS9 writers, to the point where it became a joke how blatently contradictory the rules of aquisition were. The show would have been so much better if they got rid of Rom and had Quark actually follow a consistent logic instead of making it up as the story required.

Does their "Oh shit" reaction imply they know it is the Dominion?

I forget the specifics of that episode so I don't know what is or isn't implied.

You don't really care though do you?

I think women look hotter in Cardie makeup. Case in point.

Commander, tell me about your sexual organs.

what the fuck did JJ abrams mean by this

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