Why do you faggots continue to call liberals "lefties"? Don't you realize liberals don't want capitalism to go away and...

Why do you faggots continue to call liberals "lefties"? Don't you realize liberals don't want capitalism to go away and, therefore, are still to the right of the political spectrum? To be a leftist means to be a communist/socialist (An ACTUAL socialist, not the Bernie Sanders brand of Social Democracy). If liberals were leftists, they wouldn't be trying to make all these shitty reforms to capitalism (e.g. more female CEOs), they would be trying to get rid of capitalism outright (e.g. no more CEOs).

I blame this on the retarded political system the US has, where no party other than Republicans and Democrats can get any traction.

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Fuck off lefty

liberals are leftists. they want the destruction of everything that is good in society just like communists, they're just smart enough to usually hide their true intentions.

I'm not a lefty, I support Trump, I just hate how people call Democraps "leftists" when they're clearly not.

>People on Sup Forums not having any actual idea what actual party alignments are or mean

SHOCKER!

I guess the same reason that they call nazis "far right".

>SOSIDLISTS
>SRJAEDIIG TNE SHEDLTN

What?

>they want the destruction of everything that is good in society just like communists
>just like communists
m8 you have no idea what communism actually is

thats what its sound if you actually read the russian letters( in russian ofcourse)

>True Communism has never been tried.

Leftists in my country are just liberals playing ideological dress-up. They have the exact same values and beliefs, but leftists want to make themselves seem more 'radical' and 'anti-status quo' (it also gives them an outlet for their violent fantasies)

Mate, I know what communism is. It is pure evil. We all see what's happening in Venezuela. There's your utopian paradise.

"Liberal" doesn't mean "liberal" any more. Both the so-called liberals themselves and and conservatives misuse the term. They should be called "progressives" imho.

Yeah, bet you feel super smart for referencing that MS Paint comic right? Try again, that one has been disproven time and time again.

>A long list of literally whos
>Compared to the actual list of communist countries and their disastrous record.

that's your rebuttal? a list of communists who fucked their people's shit up, and committed atrocities?

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The point of the image is to show that these literally whos were literally whos because some group interfered and destroyed their attemp to establish socialism before they even could do it.
What the absolute fuck are you talking about? Are you thinking of this one?

You're a total fucking retard.

To add to that, ever thought that the reason mot of those are never brought up is because they don't fit the narrative of "communism=bad"? Outside most commy circles, very few people talk about communism in a good light.
Not an argument, friendo. But keep your prejudices straight from the 1960s. Bet you think imposing a blockade on a tiny island nation because it's run differently from you is a good thing.

No, that pic is accurate.

Your video is laughably stupid. Venezuela is collapsing because they created a communist economy based entirely on the international price of oil, which tanked. If they had a capitalist system, the economy would be diversified enough to absorb the downturn. Since they rely on central planning, and their planners are fucking stupid, their economy has collapsed.

It's okay, though. Once there is mass starvation the people will pick up their pitchforks and torches and burn down city hall. The communists will be hanged, as they deserve.

How is Venezuela not capitalist?
>Communist economy
How fucking stupid are you?

How is the other pic *not* accurate? You can't pick and choose which pic you want to call accurate.
>venezuela
>communist
Laughable argument. Means of production aren't owned by the workers. Ergo, not communist.
Seriously, how bad is the educational system in America that they don't even teach you the basics of Marxism? I learned that in my second-to-last year of high school.

I agree, modern liberals are not liberals in the classical sense but instead are just socialists and Communists. Anyone who disagrees with them, even the classic liberals, are the enemy.

Leftist scum

Also, many famines under capitalism were caused by monoculture, because having only one crop was the cheapest option, and when that crop failed, the whole economy failed. But I've never, in my fucking life, seen *anybody* blame capitalism for these failures.
But they're not socialists, that's my fucking point. If they were actual socialists, they would want the means of production to be owned by the workers.

>How is Venezuela not capitalist?
Because it is explicitly communist. God damn, how are commies that stupid?

>my special snowflake version of communism would totes work guise!
>all the actual communists aren't really communist because it's not my flavor!

>Also, many famines under capitalism were caused by monoculture, because having only one crop was the cheapest option, and when that crop failed, the whole economy failed. But I've never, in my fucking life, seen *anybody* blame capitalism for these failures.
That's because you made that up and it never happened.

Great logic. So the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?

What is a Communist economy and how is Venezuela a Communist economy. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If they aren't liberals, socialists or Communists then what are they?

Name one Communist country and why it was communist without saying "because they said they were communists"

Oh, I see. So you're saying that the Venezuelans say they're communist because they secretly mean the opposite of that. Got it.

You seem to identify the left-right-wing politics mentality in an unidimensional fashion, but there is no "the left", and there is no "the right".

Both socialism and liberalism are left-wing because they try to give the people more power relative to the government, but they do it in completely different ways.

Socialism and liberal, you gone full retard. Being social isn't Socialism, you should go out more and be social.

They don't say they're communist. Good job avoiding the question. Read a book.

Dude. Fucking look up communism on wikipedia.
>In political and social sciences, communism is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the *common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.*
That's not true of *any* of the so called "communist states"
Irish famine
I never said they weren't liberals. I said they weren't socialists.
wat

>If liberals were leftists, they wouldn't be trying to make all these shitty reforms to capitalism

hello lebbit, females are pushed because they have no alliance to their tribe, not because of capitalism. They are perfect leaders for globalisation and the destruction of ethnic identies because they literally believe in equality.

Btw. we don't have capitalism, we have a corrupt oligarchy that uses welfare programs to sedate the masses

Cuba because it is communist. See how easy that is?

You commies have a really cute delusion, though. You know that communism has a track record that is so uniquely bad that you have to do anything you possibly can to disassociate your awful ideas from it or you'll never get off the ground. The thing is, you can't hide what you are. Your ideas are bad, and you are bad for believing them, regardless of your propagandistic labels.

Sure they do. They say they're socialist, which is the same thing.
>inb4 they're not
no distinctions without differences, please. You're really not fooling anyone.

Not all social democracies are fully planned or state economies. Lefties also tend to do coups. Not all lefties are violent or violent revolutionaries. Or even just revolutionaries or any other pejorative. We can have mixed economies you derpenstein

>Cuba because it is communist

Cuba isn't a stateless and classless society.

You don't even know what communism means. You are the one who is deluded.

>That's not true of *any* of the so called "communist states"
So you're saying communism doesn't work. QED.

>Irish famine
Not capitalist. The Irish were forced to plant primarily potatoes (which are not indigenous to Ireland) by the British government acting as central planners (communists).

>leftist shill gets BTFO
>r-read a book!
EVERY TIME
Leftists like you love projecting your own ignorance on others

>communist countries aren't communist
-you

Sorry, user. You need to look in a mirror before you call someone else deluded.

No rightist here can answer my question. What is communism and which countries are/were communist under this definition. I'm winning.

Again, what is communism and name a country that fits this definition. You can't. I win.

You know social interaction, like Social Democrats, they work on Social democracy among people. Socialism was created by Communists, but they called it Socialism, nothing to do with democracy, since Socialism is one-party system where you vote for people's representatives who work with one-party Communists, so you directly influence the laws of people and can dispose politicians, while during democracy of left/right system you vote for political parties for specific terms and you can't dispose of politicians or influence the laws, since that's all done by political party. Democracy isn't very democratical.

Only in your own mind. Saying that Cuba isn't communist isn't a win, that's an auto-loss.

Cuba isn't a stateless and classless society. So they aren't Communist. I win.

Bernvictims and Blairites are by far the most prominent factions on the left these days. Get some influence and then we'll talk.

americans are stupid and there are too many, its impossible to correct their stupidity sadly so it generally overcomes the correct usage of words and such, like for example the word America

No, you just have an impossible definition of communism.

Which is fine, you can make shit up. But you should know it puts you on the same level as SJWs who "re-define" racism to mean privilege plus power so they can rationalize their own bigotry.

They think they win, too.

Communism and countries are diametrically opposed to each other.

Besides Communism is a delusional dreams to trick retards to give government control over all aspects of economic activity

>I'm winning.
lmao saying so doesn't make it true

also people could write an essay on your question the bulletpoint form Sup Forums favours isn't good for it. also if communist movements have always failed to establish an actual communist government that's evidence that it won't ever happen

I really hope you're joking m8.

You do realize that leftists hate liberals right? They consider them traitors to the revolution because they prioritize things like feminism before class conflict

Suck it up bourgeois poltards your meme system called capitalism failed. And this time for good. I wish those fascist vampires Friedman and Hayek were still alive to tell us how much democracy, prosperity and peace have progressed.

So one leftist hates the other leftist. Like I care. That's like saying the shiites and sunnis hate each other. They all worship moehommad.

>greek
>saying capitalism doesn't work
how would you know? pay denbts.

The socialist means to reach their goal it's the same than liberals.

Capitalism has won the subversion war by adapting, both sides want no borders, no sense of nationality, no sense of family, etc.
So while socialist spout the John lennon bullshit, the jews behind rubb their hands and say "goyim are doing our work while we sit back". No nation, no religion is victory for capitalism.

Mainstream left got wealthy and comfortable in capitalist systems and are mostly satisfied with protecting and expanding welfare systems now. They're very bourgeoisie and can barely contain their class hatred for the filthy ignorant poors every time they act unruly by having their own opinions.

Look at how they act and what they say about Trump supporters and brexit.

Ese video me dio cancer.

>Chavez expropia los negocios y las industrias
>Se los da a los trabajadores
>2 meses despues las fabricas dejan de producir
>De 62 companias que venden/exportan cafe antes de Chavez hoy en dia solo quendan 2

kys pls

All leftists hate each other. Leftists purging other leftists based in the accusation that they are traitrors to the revolution is the signature calling card of leftist regimes.

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>Communism is a delusional dreams to trick retards to give government control over all aspects of economic activity
If a government controls economic activity then you don't have communism. Communism requires the workers to control the means of production not the state...

>also if communist movements have always failed to establish an actual communist government
Revolutionary Catalonia and the Free State of Ukraine were potential examples of true leftist societies.

you have it backwards, they aren't really "liberals", they are leftists who call themselves "liberals" in America because "leftist" or "social democrat" has more negative connotations here than elsewhere in the world.

Most democrat politicians are closet-marxists

>Why do you faggots continue to call liberals "lefties"?
>Don't you realize liberals don't want capitalism to go away and, therefore, are still to the right of the political spectrum?
Cringed...
Capitalism isn't rightwing..
Socialism isn't rightwing
Libertarianism isn't rightwing

Do you know what the rightwing actually is?
Classical rightwing was monarchism, aristocracy, feudalism, etc.
The French republicans were LITERALLY leftwing in the sense that they wanted their government to be controlled legalistically rather than by a social hierarchy.

>So one leftist hates the other leftist. Like I care. That's like saying the Christians and atheists hate each other. They all believe something.
FTFY
Liebrals are welfare capitalists, leftists are socialists. End of story

>Why do you faggots continue to call liberals "lefties"?
Americans do mostly because all parties are right wing parties so the one to the left is called "lefty" even though its by european measures mostly right.
"Liberals" are those who want open borders and free market raw capitalism.
"Lefties" are socialist and communist but those are very taboo in that capitalist cradle.

In short: murifats are stupid and selfcentered

Wikipedia helps:
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Cuba isn't communist. It's state capitalist, as the MoP are owned by the state and not the people.
>socialism = communism
>people are this misinformed
Communism *is* a form of socialism. Socialism, however, isn't always a form of communism, as there are many variations of socialism, many of which don't fit the definition of communism
Again, communism isn't a state economy. The whole point of communism is that there is no state.
No, I'm just saying communism hasn't been achieved. We can't know if communism works if there has never been communism.
>>The Irish were forced to plant primarily potatoes (which are not indigenous to Ireland) by the British government acting as central planners (communists).
>central planning = communism
kys
The British were forcing the Irish plant potatoes because it's more economically convenient for them. Jesus, how fucking spooked can somebody be? The Cold War is over.
idk about Blair, but Bernie isn't actually socialist.
>inb4 no true scotsman
Here's a quick graph to know if someone's a socialist
delet this
That's Marx's definition of communism. Read a fucking book.
>Besides Communism is a delusional dreams to trick retards to give government control over all aspects of economic activity
How can you give economic control to something that doesn't exist?
See >believing in cultural marxism
Kill yourself, my fellow countryman :^)
Likely bait, but that's pretty much it. Liberals don't want to get rid of capitalism because it's not good for them.
>political spectrum never changes
If that's the case, we're ALL leftists on this blessed day :)

Yeah they are the same thing; both Republicans in my mind. Im a Libertarian and voting Gary Johnson.

Fugg, forgot the definition for capitalism:
>Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

>Most democrat politicians are closet-marxists
Hah I wish. If cultural marxism really was a thing, the media would be promoting economic democracy not LGBT pride parades.
>The definitions of words never change over time. Right-wing should mean monarchism forever even though Monarchism is no longer relevant.
A fucking leaf

Matate argentino come mierda, te salvaste de los Kirchner ahora que Macri gano en tu pais.

they believe the same things, though. liberals want to destroy society and make things worse for everyone just like the other leftists. they're just smart enough to lie about the obvious consequences. for instance, liberals will say they want abortion to be "rare." other leftists will admit they want to murder as many babies as possible. but the truth is the liberals want to murder as many babies as possible, too. they just think that if they lie convincingly enough they can get their way.

Based Argentina

Let me guess: Capitalism has never been tried in Greece. Right?
Memes can go both ways you know.

Because I am in Greece I know, imperialist. Ask your southern neighbors, they know even better.

>implying I even liked the Kirchner
haha buen meme familia :-)

>USSR wasn't communist
>Cuba's not communist
>Venezuela's not communist
You people are so fucking deluded. For as anti-theist as you are, you worship your ideology as a god damn religion, complete with thought terminating cliches and internally contradictory cognitive dissonance.

What's your opinion on Partido Obrero?

>leftists will admit they want to murder as many babies as possible
Dafuq? When exactly do Karl Marx and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon say they loves abortion?
I'm morally opposed to abortion personally. I really don't think you understand what socialism is.

Because you are in greece all you know is how to not pay your denbts. You have no frame of reference, go back to begging the Germans for shekels.

Is this a fucking pro-communist shill thread?

It sure is fucking summer, ain't it?

>Calls Americans stupid
>Muh Socialism an communism equal big gubbermant did u no da ussr hurr
Fuck off Argie.

>You people are so fucking deluded. For as anti-theist as you are, you worship your ideology as a god damn religion, complete with thought terminating cliches and internally contradictory cognitive dissonance.
Do you want examples of communist/socialist societies? Here:
-Revoltionary Catalonia
-The Free State of Ukraine
Other possible examples:
-Rojava
-The Paris Commune

When it comes down to it a communist society must:
-Allow the workers to own the means of production
-Not have a market
-Not have a centralized state
The USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela fail these criteria. In fact, they fail all three criteria

Liberals are leftists who had to admit that capitalism is necessary (either because they read Mises or because they don't want to be shot by the right-wingers in America), but are trying to regulate it as much as possible to emulate socialism's perceived benefits.

Communists love anything that is bad for society, which includes abortion. It's almost like you don't understand your own evil ideology.

No carajo, argentino estupido.
Liberals in USA = socialists in latin america.
Liberals in latin america = libertarians in USA
for fucks sake then you call yourselves white

>they read Mises
Well ya see that's mistake number #1 right there

I hate it when Cyrillic is used to mimic letters. It's very confusing to read.

>real communism has never been tried: the post
you try so hard, but no matter what you will never be able to distance yourselves from the failures of the actual communism that has been implemented throughout history. denying the USSR was communist is laughably stupid. You're not fooling anyone other than yourselves.

Pay denbts blah,blah,blah. All I hear from you muricans is muh deficit, muh foreign debt and Obama is a nigger commie that raised taxes.
Bet you don't even know those denbts are loans with interest we are paying back.
I blame murican dukashion though not you.

Yea, you are fucking leftists.
You're either part of western civilization or against it.

for commies, summer lasts the whole year. They don't work anyway.

na. liberals are brain dead. they don't read.

looks like you're not paying shit, greek. looks like half your people don't even pay their own taxes.

Underrated

Finally someone on here has made some sense. I see someone has been visiting the politicalcompass.

communism is eschatological as much as christianity or other religion.
it wants to create a new time on this earth.
utopia is necessary to political action m8

>those denbts are loans with interest we are paying back.

>paying back.

when?

Statists pls

Better dead than red!! mutherfocas!