What is th point in ruining your economy to annex a small island?

What is th point in ruining your economy to annex a small island?
Putin moves seems to be so dumb, there are other ways to have influence over other countries, I mean Germany owns Europe without firing a single bullet

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>What is the point
continued political career. also, Crimea is kinda Russian. not sure what provoked Russian involvement in Lugansk and Donetsk, they got carried away by the success in Crimea and thought they could secure a land corridor by way of Mariupol.

The point?
Russians are retards

That's exactly it
Germany only owns Europe until bullets start flying, the game is rigged that way
In reality, their grip is similar to that of Belgium

And Crimea defenses make tomahawking Russian heartland very difficult

Putin is no genius but he's alright

said the downie

they have oilducts

At least America can afford her wars

nukes fall from orbit

>USA has thousands of ICBMs that have thousands of kms of range
>afraid of couple of tomahawks
desu you got the game wrong, but idk much about politics so i wont make any comments.

this
have you ever heard about baltic sea? have you ever heard about operational range of the tomahawks?

>wars
terrorism

I understand, but the damage was so big, ukrainians exported enven rocket engines to Russia, now Ukraine is on full NATO mode, economic, political and military ties were destroyed, even their military cartridges are changing to the NATO standards

gtfo leftist scum

Because all other ports besides the one in Sevastopol cannot be used for the most of the year, pretty much.

russia is mostly self reliant when it comes to military, also most relevant stuff was in crimea anyway, so no big loss

that was the big miscalculation, Putin created the Ukrainian nation for all eternity. I did not know Russian and Ukrainians were different people before the crisis.

Vladivostok is ice-free throughout the year

according to an ukranian i met west ukraine was totally different than russia but east ukraine was literally russia.

vladivostok is not in europe

Access to Black sea. It's strategically important to Russia. Also having disputed lands prevents Ukraine from joining NATO.

They already had access to the Black Sea. On the other part, yes, Russia needs a "frozen conflict" in Ukraine and Georgia.

Ukraine will never join NATO.

>America
>her
CHICANO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJJAJ

Yeah. Baltic sea is the one they can never find a russian submarine in, right? Narrow passes and islands and the forward base of Kaliningrad

Both black Sea and Baltic seat are closed to large ships in case of war, at least at the beginning

And 1500 km is a lot to fly if you want an affective massive strike, because there's a lot of targets, and fly path is not straight, but around best radar-covered areas

He's exploiting the misguided belief that Russia is still a superpower to bump his popularity.

Putin isn't stupid, but a lot of the people in his country are.

>but a lot of the people in his country are.
like 50% of your people 2bh

US has used tomahawks as a first strike weapon in many occasions, but never nukes. That's only because one is more politically acceptable than the other. In some limited campaign in the future, Russia might be faced with similar-ranged hypersonic weapons.

We're behind in tech, after all. Have to have strategic depth.

What?

I never implied otherwise. Still not as bad as Russia though.

> Russia hacked their election
> HURR ME SMART
Taquisha, please

russia made huge gains in the first 10 year of 21st century
people are thankul for that
also dont forget that golden boy navalny supports crim annexation aswell

>USA dares to fire tomahawks directly to Russia
>Russia responds with its thousands of nukes
>USA retaliates with its own thousands of nukes
>world and humanity as we know ends
USA will never ever touch Russia directly. it will always be proxy wars here and there at this pace. in my humble opinion of course since i dont know shit about politics and warfare.

Yeah, if Russia goes down in a war, they will make sure everyone comes down with them.

>only 50%
lmao
clinton wasn't any better than trump at all
arguably she'd have been worse
100% of americans are stupid

tomahawks will be the last thing you should worry about if potential war with the US happens.

also don't even forget that USSR were ruined without any kind of military intervention.

europe seems to belike the most retarded-free zone in the world

meh i'm not convinced we are free of them t b h
we have less retards but they are still the majority

> never
You mean until some hew gimmick is invented that can hit most Russian nukes and the rest are intercepted? US is openly testing Prompt Global Strike program weapons and various missile defences, after they exited the missile defense treaty.

If would be very hard for them to do, but it's theoretically possible, say, in 30 years.

And that's not even counting scenarios where Russia goes through some instabilities, we're not bloodthirsty, and even during commie times we had officers that refused to launch nukes in confused situation without a political command.

at least we dont shart in public areas
or have a two party system

you cant intercept 15k nukes ruskie, its just impossible.

missile defense systems are only good for intercepting couple of missiles. also there are shit load of counter measures to fuck up radars in a war scenario.

its not about bloodthirstiness desu, its logical retaliation, if i had thousands of nukes and someone dared to step on my toe i would nuke the shit out of him to make an example.

I believe in humanity, a little. Any war US states with Russia, they'd avoid nukes. Worry or not, if we were only bigger and cooler Iraq, tomahawks would be the weapon of choice.

As to how USSR was ruined, it was bad. But not "ruined by war" bad

>europe seems to belike the most retarded-free zone in the world

yeah, letting politicians destroy your culture and lifestyle importing rapefugees

Sanctions will go after a while
Crimea will stay forever

>like 50% of your people 2bh
Your to kind.

>highly educated europeans dont want to work in shit jobs for low income
>hmmm someone has to work in shit jobs for low income in order to increase the production and profits
>ohh gee look some war refugees they are literally the perfect candidate
hmmmmm

>He's exploiting the misguided belief that Russia is still a superpower to bump his popularity.

No - man, he's cucking military expansion of NATO eastwards - preparing for long periods of time 10-50-100 years in 1st place.

2nd place the dissolution of USSR was a big hit in territory, morale, resources and population, power projection, stop becoming a superpower, and none in 1950's thought that dissolution was plausible and they didn't care when Khrushchev giving Crimea to ukrainian SSR. I think most of Ukraine territory wasn't conquered by Ukrainians, at least western part of ukraine was polish and Stalin traded with the Polish for parts of Germany.

There are literally Russian pseudo-coloniser /settlers stranded in countries around the Russian Federation, not didn't betray their ethnic identity with his country, that feel now displaced, sad and etc probably allied with Russian mentality reaching 1/4 of population of those countries like Estonia or 20% Kazakhistan.

It's easy to use heat of the moment patriotism to sell Americans on starting a war, but history has shown public support will start to shift the other way if it's a shitty war like Vietnam or Iraq. Russians have yet to show they ever turn on their leaders after being exploited.

doesnt look that bad for crimea
new airport, new bridge
they are better off with russians than with hohols

At least give them temporary working visas and no possibility to get nationality, gibsmedat and other welfare like Gulf Arab states or something.

Because it was the oil prices that damaged Russia's economy, not the sanctions. Russia's sanctions towards Western Europe caused way more damage, especially to Finland.

The fall in oil prices plus the sanctions basically gave Russia a free pass to start a imperialist crusade and recover lost territory because now they have nothing to lose and there is nothing else USA can do to stop them.

You're misinformed, Russia and US have "only" hundreds of missiles actually ready for launch. Tactical Russian is can't reach US. Even now US has what, 10 SM interceptor missiles on their ship for every distance nuke. Sure they're faulty and lack range, but what about ones that come in 10 or 20 years? Who knows.

Strategic depth worked for a thousand years and it won't go away. Keeping airfields under Ryazan safe from US first strike is well worth three years worth of 2%GDP growth, at least or generals probably think so.

1. Crimeans wanted to be Russian
2. The Russian troops and their bases were there already
3. Crimea belongs to Russia

>especially to Finland
Good.

>well worth three years worth of 2%GDP growth
russia wouldnt have a higher growth anyway
reforms are needed in this case
economy is recovering, salarys need to rise
tax income is 160 bln €, half of that goes into pocket of greed politicians

He isn't doing shit except pretending to be a superpower. The only countries actually making real steps to challenge the US world monopoly are China and Germany via the EU.

according to wiki russian nukes have 16k km range and according to americans Russia has 2k warheads deployed (i.e. ready to fire) and 5k stockpiled. these are huge numbers man.

the most USA can do is proxy wars like Chechens or Syria and nothing else.

>Germany via the EU.

Sorry, your being had by you betters and whining uselessly after, time after time doesn't stack up well against two of Russia's revolutions of the past centuries, no offense.

Go get pepper sprayed and feel lie you're making history or some such, not sure what passes for "resistance" or what was it, bravery in your home of the free or whatever

hes right desu, just wait for the EU army and lets see what happens then.

No, we can't, idiot, we just do it anyway.

hows the wall doing?
especially after harvey and irma

You're delusional if you don't think the end game of the EU is a completely unified country.

I'm still very doubtful when it comes to Germany growing balls back

he doesnt pretend to be one
he is keen on getting his intersts through

Yeah all true
Figure something out if first we have security

Pure economic logic only work when you read about North Korea or China or Iran or NATO in the news and not border them

First, security, then stability, then economy. You only think able step 3 because you're playing easy mode, and 1 and 2 are covered by default

it will happen desu, but it will take time. its hard to convince a french to go die in greece for their security for example.

nevertheless even if it doesnt happen germany has the man power and the industry to create an insane war machine by itself.

there is no threat from the west and since most of you citizens are living in europe, it is not relevant, better look for china, since thry may adopt imperial stance very fast, and then russia will be fucked

>its hard to convince a french to go die in greece for their security for example.

But it will be a professional army so of course they'll go where ever they are wanted to be.

Compare living conditions in the US to Russia. If Switzerland, Norway, or Australia wants to criticize Americans for sacrificing general standard of living in the name of imperialistic ambitious by our leaders, that's fair, but Russians really have no highground on that issue.

>Putin moves seems to be so dumb, there are other ways to have influence over other countries
I'm seeing this Brazilian user for a while.Is he dumb or is he just just trying to sound smart in this cuck board?Anyone can tell the main reason for annexation of crimea is for the ports and geo politics.

2000 sounds like they count tactical nukes. Strategic ones are limited to 1500 all told by treaty, a little more than half of that deployed, I think.

Its a lot, but most locations are known and can't be moved. Russia maybe has 200 warheads outside fixed silos, counting strategic bombers that can hit US but might be intercepted.

Russia isn't going to lie down and take it, but it's prudent to not be too optimistic

sure but best armies are the ones where the soldiers are very motivated as well otherwise it just becomes a rag tag merc group. in battle of two armies, motivated one always has more advantage over the other. of course i am talking in "fair" environments where say both 2 armies have very similar tech.

thats why isis was insanely successful pre-usa intervention. they are insanely motivated to their cause and never hesitate to go for the extra mile.

nuke submarines are the real threat anyways. you dont have to hit ohio too, just hit cali in east coast, and couple of big cities in west coast and USA is down in ruins.

>Annexes a piece of land
>oh boy, it's USSR and they are pretending to be a superpower.

It's probably for regional interests in that area nothing more.

I thought we were talking about resisting exploitation or fighting for freedom
How did we end up discussing the amount burgers you've had for launch?

This is why people hate Europeans

He is what we call a coxinha here in Brazil. They're obsessed with military weapons, USA, nazism and white people, they worship the USA and consider themselves white. They completely despise Russia and anything Russia does.

with people you mean jelly amerifat poltards?

...

t. commie antifa

>Russians have yet to show they ever turn on their leaders after being exploited.
>russia, home of one of the greatest and extreme revolutions in known history

why are americans so dumb

Are you serious? The American Revolution was the first western democratic rebellion and preceded the French Revolution. The fuck you talking about no major resistances happened in the US?

>first western democratic rebellion
thats us retard

> there is no threat from the west
(citation needed)
Really, it's something you probably don't think about, since you're actually in it, but NATO bombed 4 neighboring countries, I think, since Putin was anything.

During 70 years of its existence, North Korea has attacked 4 neighbors fewer than that.

I wouldn't vote for the president that takes you guys at your word and dismantles defences in the West. Nobody would. It doesn't mean you're not nice people, but you clearly can't stop your leaders from starting stupid wars any better than people in any non - western country.

russians are tired of revolution, in putin they see someone who guaretees stability
sad, that the elite is still exploiting, but at least russains dont live like in the 90s and early 00s
just compare chechen campaign with syrian campaign, and you see how much putin did for russia

with german leadership something like that wouldnt happen

>Start a rebellion
>Overthrow a monarch to live under a dictator

Great """""""""""revolution""""""""""""

>western democratic rebellion

Having sea access has always been seen as a crucial point by russians.

>be american
>spend 30 seconds skimming a wikipedia article
>make yourself look like a retard

well done

It says"Centuries" in my previous post but I meant Century. Specifically 1917 to now. Any you're the ones bringing up Vietnam and other stuff where "resistance" was hippies winning.

I think "hippies winning" is the height of the last 100 years of Americans putting off the burger and resisting destructive government, policies, yes. I closely observed OWS, there's really no change since the 60es

looking at russian history naval warfare was never their strength.

theres not much coastline to defend, with crimea they are on the dominant sid in black sea, while baltic sea is narrow af
pacific sea is irrelevant since nobody gives a fuck about siberia and far east

Is not completely irrelevant and its actually the same there. Black, Baltic, sea of Okhotsk - Russian strategy is to completely deny enemy access to prevent landings and off-shore missile launch. Look at the maps, it's all there - entrances into the seas are small, within range of Russian missiles, and there's a forward base in every sea

nice try roach. 99% of migrants don't work.

Putin played a little to much EU4 and didn't realize that in the modern day there were consequences for annexing the territory of other countries.

Germany only owns Europe economically but in military terms they're a US vassal state.

Why does Navalny support crimea annexation?
What do russians think of him?

>an actual decent thread
>nepalese nigger tries to be edgy

Left wing favelado nigger spreading wrong info about his country, leave your room and get a job you won't survive living online