Even if all the immigrants left, it's not like their jobs are going to immediately be filled by all those desperate Americans willing to work for their wages...plus the American economy wouldn't be able to pay living wages for these jobs that immigrants are supposedly 'stealing' from everyone...
How can people be this dumb?
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So we should just keep letting in illegals because there's not a solution that gives people jobs?
>their jobs are going to immediately be filled by all those desperate Americans willing to work for their wages
Implying wages won't go up
Excess demand in jobs means less salaries.
For example there is a need for truck drivers....hard to find em....
Guess what lil smugbug?
The carriers have to offer more money and benefits. Then guess what happens Lil libby? They get better salaries and the jobs are filled by qualified employees.
It's classic free market, non-governmental involvement.
You can't be everything to everyone you idiot.
Why do democrats need immigrants? Because they abort their own voters lol.
Why do weebs make these threads?
Its like they know nothing of the culture they love including xenophobia.
This is now a judgement cat thread
>H1b vistas don's hurt fresh American STEM graduates seeking entry-level positions
?
>We can have a $15 minimum wage
>Deporting illegal immigrants won't raise the wages of the jobs they do
Liberal logic
OK listen shitstain, WAGES ARE LOW BECAUSE THE MARKET IS FLOODED WITH TOO MANY WORKERS
REDUCE THAT AND THEN WOW THE DEMAND GOES UP FOR WORKERS WOW THEN WAGES GO UP WOW
Remove *illegal* immigrants would improve wages for the legal immigrants and other working poor.
If jobs need filling it's very simple to increase the immigration limit, letting more legal immigrants in who have undergone background checks and are known to have a clean history and aren't bringing drugs or crime into the country.
Tfw I'm a roofer
Tfw constantly lose jobs to shitty all illegal crews because the ring leader pays them dirt cheap
Because every illegal spic family takes in about $15k more than they contribute.
These fucks are costing us an arm and a leg.
Eradication of welfare spending will need to happen concurrently. No workee no eatee. Work or starve to death.
17 trillion mexican restaurants filled with dogshit cooks attached to H1Bs says otherwise.
motherfucker...all those bitches eat up tax paying money..so we have to pay even more money on top of the money we already pay for the dindus for dem programs.
This right here.
When I was wiring houses, we'd consistently loose bids to teams of immigrants. Some of those bids were outrageously low, as in I could barely get my materials for what they were charging.
well, keeping people away costs money. Do the math.
>be this retarded
I've watched my fill of dirty jobs over the years. Apparently there isn't a job Americans won't do.
Go fuck yourself
>Implying wages won't go up
Nobody would pay the prices, it's either mexicans in us or just off shoring to china/india.
That's exactly the fucking point. If people won't do the job, you raise the wage. If you can't pay the wages and maintain operations, either your model isn't solvent and you have to change it, or your product isn't viable in the marketplace. That is the defifuckingnition of capitalism. Excessive immigration artificially allows shit tier products and services to survive by the downward pressure immigration puts on wages at the expense of the consumers who buy the products and the Americans and legal residents whose employers have to cut corners and lower wages to compete with the unburdened labor costs of employers that hire illegals. If you disagree we will gladly ship you 20,000,000 or so of them and you can let me know how it works out.
Please provide a source on why this will happen?
Temporarily. With time, prices will rise, so you go back to step one AND give foreign products a chance to compete until all is reversed and american products will be pricier than imports.
How do you off shore land scapeing?
retard
could you tell me what all the americans who are out of work due to immigrants are doing right now?
You know it's funny, I was recently in the pacific northwest and you know what I saw? Restaurants functioning just fine, construction happening, etc. They were just filled with white people. I had a white person bus my table, never happened in CA in my LIFE.
>living wages
The immigrants live on them
right but people dont want to pay your high prices, even if mexicans weren't here, they'd pay the lowest bidder on the job, immigrants leaving won't fix this...
You're not adding any substance to this thread, just your retarded rhetoric
I don't think you understand, we are charging as low as possible the only way we get outbid are by ILLEGAL crews who get paided half as much ,
Also this has nothing to do with Mexicans. This has to do with illegal Mexicans who work for dirt and send it back home
i know, i'm saying if they were all gone...wouldn't it still be a bidding war with the lowest bidder winning? and would the lowest bid still be similar to what the illegals charge?
Paid*
Removing criminals has nothing to do with jobs.
>I had a white person bus my table, never happened in CA in my LIFE.
>never happened in CA
then you never went to any good restaurants
LA reporting in btw
lived in the PNW all my life. for most of my life all the menial jobs were done by whites, and they did them just fine. people who say that we need immigrants for those jobs must be clinically retarded.
Who's that? The brother from The Wonder Years?
Yes the lowest bidder would win, the difference between normal crews and illegal crews is one is required to pay x amount where the other isnt, let's say you have to pay your workers 15 an hour legally, and some other crew is paying illegal Mexicans 8 an hour ILLEGALLY , guess who gets that job
that's not really the problem. You can fix this temporarily and i call this "fix" because it will always be temporary. The problem is, which is unsolvable, is that people give up on competing. If your competition is taking away your clients with low prices, you have to decide whether you will low your prices somehow or differentiate your services/products somehow, adding more value so you can remain in the price range you want or even rise your prices. Prices are not black or white, there's plenty of stories of people rising their prices in the middle of a economic crisis and saving their business.
Welfare, under the table stuff, anything they can. Why do you think food stamp usage is at an all time high? I'll tell you what the unemployment numbers are much higher than whatever the official numbers state.
>why does trump think saving the government at trillion dollars a year will help the US?
> plus the American economy wouldn't be able to pay living wages
Are Mexicans like dogs then? half a pound of animal grade dog chow a day. If the American economy can provide the wages to meet the costs of living in America maybe they need to rethink prices. Or availability of things like....property.
> How can people be this dumb?
I don't know, take a long hard look at yourself and then educate us.
*sorry for the poor english. not enough attention now.
Wait, illegals receive welfare?!
While illegals are an issue, the real big issue is the jobs being shipped to china and india. The REAL middle class jobs.
Course whites are too stupid to notice so it's easy to point to the fruit picking career of newly come illegals as if that will fix everything.
You know what's funny, I live in Stockton California and you know what I see? Illegal immigrants getting drivers licenses, healthcare, in-state tuition at public college, people who can't and will never learn english, people who are statistically likely to join gangs, commit crime, and have children in a low income household so the government can take care of their children. Fuck off shill, illegals are going home
Supply and demand
Wages would rise to the point americans would be willing to work those jobs.People make more money and live better lives
How can people be this dumb
>off shoring construction
...
They will only rise as much as the buyers of labor are able, willing, and ready to pay. This will of course raise the price of inputs, this raising the prices of those goods. That means your dollars will be able to buy less.
Say 1 crew of 6 got 7 an hour and another got 15
7 an hour for 8 hour days x 6 workers is 336 a day
15 an hour for 8 hour days x 6 workers is 720 a day
Let's say its a 3day rip, that's 1008 vs 2160
>Even if all the immigrants left, it's not like their jobs are going to immediately be filled by all those desperate Americans willing to work for their wages
I don't see the problem.
>.plus the American economy wouldn't be able to pay living wages for these jobs that immigrants are supposedly 'stealing' from everyone...
Wasn't slavery wrong and horrible?
This is literally Bait: the thread.
no, but their anchor babies do
>well, keeping people away costs money. Do the math.
educating them, providing them health care, filling jails with them, protecting them, cost more money. Do the math.
That's not true for wages in the short time. Maybe in the long term once the economy is driven towards equilibrium it will have do this however it will allow for much more prosperity. We need this desperately how can you not see this?
See you at the deportations!
As a Mississippian, we saw a lot of illegals after Katrina. To their credit, they could put up a roof rather fast.
Based. I fucking love these
Because its not obvious at inspection if removing immigrants would actually be good for the economy.
On one hand, there are a lot more positions for natives, increasing real income. On the other, prices will be higher, decreasing real income. The effects on output are ambiguous.
>roof is leaking
>ship it to china
reread my message - it was that we'll function fine without illegals, because it already happens in non-shit states
SO
STOP
GIVING
PEOPLE
"FREE"
MONEY
This shit isn't rocket science. Abolish welfare and all that "free" shit.
You are dumb and don't live in the real world. Years ago got a job being a Machinist which use to be a career cause you made $20 an hour. Now all the Mexicans do it for 10.50 an hour for 10 hours 6 days a week. Got a job there as a temp with another white guy and black guy; we were the only non mexicans there besides a manager. These guys don't even speak english and have their own manager because they don't speak english. They stick together and lie and say you don't do your job and your lazy. Them cockroaches need to be put down.
I'm glad you asked.
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>Liberal logic
Oh it's even better when you realize they support having a 15 dollar minimum wage and having an open border and allowing people who work for slave wages to freely come to this country.
Bet you anything that shit was fucked up, also thats no excuse, a crew of legals could do it just as fast
Nobody who's worked for a living has ever had trouble comprehending this. But let's break it down for you with simple round numbers.
Let's say it takes $10/hr to support living where minimum wage is $7/hr.
You have 10 jobs available and 10 legal workers to fill them.
The employer will pay those 10 legal workers that $10/hr, possibly a bit more for insurance, to do those 10 jobs.
If 10 illegal workers show up and offer to accept $5/hr for those 10 jobs, then the employer will hire them instead. Those 10 illegal workers will then live, all in one unhealthy and illegally inhabited living space while they collect their illegal wages.
The 10 legal workers will be SOL. The employer will buy a new yacht or send his kids to a more expensive school or will pay off his gambling debt with the money that he "saves" by paying said illegal wage.
If INS were not prevented from doing their jobs by advocacy groups and traitorous lawyers, they would be able to deport the illegal workers, causing those 10 jobs to become vacant.
Those 10 legal workers would then be able to demand the proper wage for their job.
Try getting a job in a kitchen and you might begin to understand.
I don't give a crap about who's a mexican or not, I just want to know if they're willing to work and don't deal with drugs.
Yeah but not as cheaply and the roofs are still standing from when I left in 2014.
Are you illiterate? He is on your side you inbred mouthbreather
Shit I mean to post that in response to the OP and quote your post
Doesn't mean they aren't leaking or didn't have repairs, and even if not that's great some do ok work, but that's still taking jobs from legal citizens which is what this thread was about
That's because they cut corners like crazy.
Lol Brazil your insults carry no weight here it was a simple mistake
Also this
Oh I know and I'm not disagreeing. I'm simply stating facts:
>After Katrina, a lot of illegals came to MS
>They did roofing jobs in addition to whatever
>They did at least a good enough of a job for them to last without any serious issues for 10 years
>They did it cheaper than legals
My roof was fine. Only thing that happened to my house was I lost my garden. Like $40 and a season to replace them.
they are the primary recipients
And how do you supposed we stop illegals from committing crimes? and you think people need to pay their hospital bills before they go to the hospital? The only way is to keep illegals out.
It's not free money for illegals. it's money that is supposed to go to US citizens who've paid taxes. The country needs to assume that people who live in it are law abiding and legal residents. That's part of the legal system. Having to determine who is legal and who is not also cost money.
You're simply being naive.
>outsourcing and immigration are le good for wages
how about you fuck off back to rebbit?
>I-It was just a mistake
>Pls no b-bully ;-;
My insults do carry weight because you're here representing an opinion, which I happen to share, so if you act like a moron the libs will use it as ammo against us. Shut the fuck up if you're not gonna pay attenion when reading shit.
oy vey stupid goy only whites use welfare heh heh heh
the whole point of mass immigration is to lower wages, retard
If the value of your labor is the same as another person who doesn't even speak your language, you have to blame yourself at least a little.
You don't understand low skill labor is an incredibly important part of American economy. Or it was anyways.
no you blame the government for flooding the market with cheap labor
The whole point of high wages is about not lowering your living standards to shitholes like Brazil.
no offense
>And how do you supposed we stop illegals from committing crimes?
Guns.
Then we'll keep the ones we need for the jobs, faggot.
Not offended. You already know the problem: Government.
>Liberals think corporations like Home Depot are making an unfair profit
>Liberals applaud wage theft of tradesman by foreign invaders so they can have a cheap roof repair
see
The problem is globalism (open borders, outsourcing, neoliberalism, finance, leftism etc)
This isn't to shill put in my personal experience I've scene Mexican Construction Workers (Albañiles)
Finished an all concrete two story house in less than 2 month or so. Big teams to get shit done faster It's pretty incredible seeing them at work and they were some older gentleman as well. Those are the type of people U.S needs not some fucking Farm hand.
The labour is irrelevant. Even if we assume both people do an equal quality job, the issue is cost of living.
Illegals are shacking up with a dozen other people, of course they don't need nearly as much income to survive.
You're right we do need cheap labor
it's a well known fact nothing was ever built in America until Reagan's post 1983 amnesty
HMMMMMMMM let's see
>illegals removed
>value of labor goes up
>poor blacks that don't want to be ghetto niggers can work these jobs
>poor whites that don't want to be white trash can work these jobs
>anyone can use these jobs to move to the middle class easier
wow, that wasn't hard.
and they get welfare
their low wages are being subsidized by the government and pushing down wages for all other workers
Mass immigration is basically just a corporate scam. And just like the EU, another corporate globalist scam, it is zealously defended by the left to the point of near religious devotion.
I'm Just saying Country has forgotten Hard and Honest work we've become so entitled. We need robots TBQHF.
no
we've been forcibly pushed into college level white collar work because all our real jobs were outsourced or flooded with cheap labor in the 70s and 80s so that few people know a hard days work anymore since the only high paying jobs (jobs you can raise a family with) require a degree and sitting at a desk 10 hours a day.
Somehow this is rocket science to these people. Their brains are wired to destroy society
>WE WILL INCREASE AMERICAN WAGES
>WAGES IN CALIFORNIA ARE TO HIGH!
>Trump
Just by that you can see what the people who want the mass deportation to happen follow think.
This, both parties in the US are permanently and irreparably corrupted by globalists, it's just that the right's base has realized this to a much greater extent than the left's base. Leftists cuck themselves into trying to prove how "tolerant" and "not racist" and "progressive" they are, even more so by the widespread support for authoritarianism in achieving liberal policy goals.
This desu
Illegals essentially work for cheap in living conditions/working conditions we've determined are not acceptable for human rights.
The most infuriating liberal argument in favor of illegal immigration/illegal labor is that "Illegals work jobs nobody else would want to work" while also saying "Minimum wage is not enough to live off of". They don't really understand that if they actually offered a legal pay for these jobs, that poor unemployed people might actually work them to make enough of a living to have purchasing power in their own rights. It's good for our economy, bad for corporate elites.
Beyond that, there's also huge moral issues with basically using illegals for slave labor, giving illegals welfare they have not paid for and are not entitled to, and favoring employing foreign nationals above your own citizens.