Those who support gun bans have to physically and personally take away the guns from their neighbors...

>Those who support gun bans have to physically and personally take away the guns from their neighbors. No relying on the police or other contractors.
How will gun grabbers do if they actually have to grab people's guns?

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The problem lies in having a 'gun culture'. It is literally a culture of violence. Everyone wants to carry their pistol around so they can fantasize about saving the day or taking down bad guys and pretending to be James Bond.

You don't need a full (or semi) auto machine gun. You don't need a 30 round clip.

If you want to hunt, fine. Get a wooden hunting rifle. You don't need an m16.

>rights have to be justified by needs

Who supporting a gun ban? Who asking to take back the guns? Usual paranoid strawmen from the gun nuts.

>Bill of needs

>fantasize about saving the day or taking down bad guys
assuming this is true (which it isn't) what is the issue with people wanting to stop bad guys?

>You don't need a full (or semi) auto machine gun.
machine guns are by their definition fully automatic. you should probably learn your terminology if you want people to take you seriously

also, I don't remember that clause in the 2nd ammendment about "needs"

Deese muh rights don't tread on me reeeeeee

>wooden hunting rifle

>If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban, picking up every one of them....Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in. I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.
(((Diane Feinstein)))

>semi-auto machine gun

Sauce? Even if. Picks most extreme fantasy position to characterize all gun control legislation. No serious gun control has called for this

mercurynews.com/california/ci_29913590/california-gun-control-senate-passes-first-few-series

these literally happen constantly, always pushing "common sense" gun legislation further and further to an absolute ban

not an argument

when the government is pushing legislation to subvert a constitutional amendment written to prevent government tyranny you might understand why this worries some people

"The problem lies in having a 'swim culture'. It ls literally a culture of drowning. Everyone wants to have a pool in their background so they can fantasize about being Michael Phelps or getting healthy. You don't need a deep, Olympic swimming pool. You don't need a diving board.

If you want to get wet, fine. Get a bath. You don't need a big pool."

There's a good chance she meant every "assault weapon" but had to "compromise" and only ban their sale.

youtu.be/ffI-tWh37UY?t=18s

This is literally a direct statement.
Is your point that they know they are massively unpopular? I agree, America hates those that threaten its Constitution.

Literally says if so no this was never brought to the floor or even drafted. There are plenty of limits on basic constitutional rights and amendments have even modified and restricted others so where's your argument?

she said that on an episode of 50 Minutes you lazy fuck

and you're right, it is a fantasy position not based in reality, but she is a politician who to this day, still pushes gun legislation

if it wasn't for lobbying organizations like the ever-demonized NRA we' probably be a lot closer to that now than not

>pol will take the b8
Lel

Sup Forums is collectively the dumbest board, of course they will

Yes a statement of personal opinion. No actual legislation or action to back it up. Plenty of ridiculous statements are made on either side that do nothing but showing the opinion of that person. Vast majorities of Americans support further gun control.

We'd just send a couple of blacks to your house to pick them up, you'd piss your pants and then hand them over. Problem solved.

Both Obama and Clinton have voiced support for Australia-style gun laws. Central of which was a massive confiscation scheme.

It's not gun culture but military culture. The US has been continuously attacking other countries without provocation since Korea. Any questioning of it will have you labeled as anti American so you're basically forced to support it. Hell people still want to justify Vietnam.

I'd just send a couple of job applications their way, they'd piss their pants and then run away. Problem solved.

They chip away at our rights, one category at a time. They won't try to take ALL the guns... Just enough that revolution would be impossible.

So a bunch of guys walking around wanting to be a hero... are the problem?

Not the psycho goth kid who never scored or the pissed off Muslim. No it's the guy who wants to stop these people - they're the problem.

>fpbp

You only need manual action firearms (bolt, break, pump, lever) for any legal purpose use besides vermin control. And licenses for semi-autos can always be issued to professional vermin control companies provided they can prove their business is legitimate. I look forward to any of you proving me wrong.

>Literally says if so no this was never brought to the floor or even drafted.
what the fuck are you trying to say? this bills are awaiting senate approval as of literally right now.

you said nobody is trying to take away guns, I showed you an example of where at this very moment, yes they are

>There are plenty of limits on basic constitutional rights and amendments
yeah I support those too, when they make sense like the whole "yelling fire in a movie theatre" situation, but not when they are used to promote authoritarianism, like for say in Europe where you can be arrested for posting "hate speech" online

there is no correlation between strict gun laws and reduction in crime, period

>need
You did it yourself Roofucker.

>You don't need an m16.

I guess so, and since they are illegal to own, and none of us have one or can have one anyway, I'm sure you're happy.

Finally, a fucking happy gun-grabbing retard.

Kek

gov's been doing it for years, and all you "muh freedoms" faggots do is roll over and let them. i eagerly await more tears and inaction from you

>vast majorities of americans

proof?

either way, d.c vs heller, McDonald v. Chicago, and Caetano v. Massachusetts says get fucked you pink commie

>clip
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OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO HUNT YOU DOWN AND CHOKE YOU TO DEATH YOU LITTLE BITCH

Yes they've voiced it as personal opinion and as points of information, but their actual governing has come no where near close. Obama has admitted he can literally do nothing on gun control.

Again paranoid strawmen

This is a good post and deserves a (you)

inb4 some child murder apologists waving their assault rifle 15s around get triggered

>any legal purpose
>self defense not a legal purpose
>2A is for hunting and pests

>not realizing that its bait

statement of personal opinion of a sitting senator you dense fuck

((((Feinstein))) has been pushing this sort of legislation for years she passed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 and she tried to pass another after Sandy Hook

...

>clip

Take it a step further. Make the two parties do in their conventions what they advocate for the country.

Republicans have to allow anyone with a permit to carry a gun. Open or concealed, rifle or handgun. This includes people in the front row watching the debate.

Democrats can ban guns at their conventions, but they aren't allowed to post security at any point of entry or check anyone for a valid ID or tickets. Anyone who wants to may walk in or out, undocumented and unsearched, anytime, and go anywhere within the convention at will.

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I know how it would work in Canadia at least..
>Get shot
>Win

...Because gun owners and the groups that represent them fight them at every turn. You think that resistance just comes out of thin air? It's like you're saying we should let go of the rope on the winning side of a tug-of-war because "there's no way we could lose."

the second amendment isn't meant to provide for "legal purposes" it's to provide a failsafe in case the people who define what "legal purposes" are overstep their purpose i.e. tyranny

Sauce for gun confiscation legislation? Sauce for keyword: proposing confiscation. U flibben dense m8? Gun control in the US is a joke; and admittedly there are many factors that contribute to gun deaths, but there's correlation between access and gun deaths.

hi fbi

they're actually not illegal to own, it's just that they're ludicrously expensive

You see this Sup Forums?

This is called "bait"

Yeah, guns should be illegal, like in Mexico. It works really well there.

>Clip

Thank god it isn't called the "Bill of Needs" then right?

so you admit there is a problem? cool, why don't you help then instead of acting smug?

This

I own and love firearms, yet I dread the day if I ever have to use them to harm another human. I will, but I truly do not want to.

you can't create a safe space for freedom without a gun.

we will never surrender our weapons. because we like being free.

8/8, breddy gr8 b8 m8, don't h8.

it's not illegal you dimwit. can you even read?

oh, except in a few days in California

Don't know what you're implying but if it's anything to do with your arse-backward consistitional rights then you are dodging my question

Pretty sure a pump action 12G is sufficient in a home defense scenario, I don't know it's not every day people break into your house in most first world countries. There is a reason these shotguns are still widely used by law enforcement in raids

Are you dumb this has been know of for years, shit many LEO's I shoot with have 80% built ARs.

>What is majority rule?

That's what it's called.

Your point to Libs is worthless they would say those AR parts need to be illegal then

but he would if he could

I'm not sure if you're baiting or you're genuinely stupid

even if it is, blue-pilled idiots reading this will think he's right

Beat!

(you)
>30 round clip
>wooden hunting rifle
>You don't need an m16

>even if it is, blue-pilled idiots reading this will think he's right
it is bait

I tried to make it ridiculous and full of cliche arguments and words (clip, wooden etc)

>What is a slippery slope fallacy?

It isn't binary win or lose. There are reasonable, balanced restrictions to the second amendment. All zealots refusing to see this are endangering it even more.

>Vast majorities

And you have the nerve to ask for a source in your previous post.

hmm, good point

let's have a little thought experiment
let's say I have a group of 10 people, and 6 of them vote to kill the other 4, that seems pretty ridiculous right? but, majority rule and all

now imagine if you were creating a country, oh I don't know maybe a couple hundred years ago, and you wanted to prevent this sort of thing from happening, you'd write whatever you came up with down on an important bit of paper or something

now let's say a few hundred years later people gradually nullified that piece of paper, what might now happen?

they will quickly get BTFOd

The broblem lies in having a 'ES culture'. It is literally a culture of spurdo spärde. Everyone wants to carry their ES around so they can fantasize about drinking it or being a Jonne.

If you want to drink ES, fine. Get the potte instead. You don't need a full can.

>30 round clip.

Oh checks and balances, separation of powers, insulated government so silly. Protip: King Obama is only a conservative meme

what is the fallacy fallacy?

the slippery slope fallacy states that just because something happens another thing won't necessarily happen,

but if we look at history we can see a gradual taking away of gun rights in a sort of divide and conquer. right now they're pushing the "assault weapon" bans, which are inherently nonsensical

>There are reasonable, balanced restrictions to the second amendment
there are, but they are not what we have now, if you knew what you were talking about you might understand that the current laws are contradictory and not helpful

The scenario plays itself out. If we are threatened with genocide, or if we are attacked (genocide) we either fight for our lives, or we die like sheep.

Thank God our founding fathers at least made sure we would be armed for when the time came.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, that fundamental self regulating features of our government are silly?

I'm not saying Obama is good or bad, I was providing an example in the context of that post of people who actively want, and or trying to take away gun rights. what don't you understand?

If you don't own at least 3 guns, your opinions are worthless. Eurocucks and Aussies need not apply. Carry on.

gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

I'll retract vast for now and stick with majorities, but I've seen those numbers quoted much hire elsewhere.

many people support further gun control because many people are stupid, and get their political opinions based on what they read on Facebook

also, if you want to play the fallacy card: bandwagon fallacy

What's inherently nonsensical about banning literal assault weapons (automatics)

I'd be open to have an actual discussion about changes and additions to gun laws to make them more effective, but opinions are too entrenched on both sides to be receptive

OK

Yet again incessant paranoia.

>muh possible sometime maybe in the distant future tyrannical big brother gubment genociding me.

>What's inherently nonsensical about banning literal assault weapons (automatics)
Do me a favor and look up the definition of assault weapon real quick. protip: it's not the same as assault rifle, which the media has successfully conflated it with

I'd like to have an actual discussion with someone who knew what the fuck they were talking about

No new gun laws will ever make a dent on the rates of gun homicides. If it is gun deaths you truly care about you would station the National Guard in all the nigger ghettos. You would do something about suicide prevention.

again, not an argument

and if you'd like an example of government overreach, see NSA spying

Im saying the inherent nature of our government prevents individuals from imposing their opinions, ie Obamas gun control support, and forces consensus building so please stop with the gungrabbing fantasies

>the Western world will never face a hint of genuine hardship ever again

Why is it so difficult to grasp that history is being made every day and it may not fall in your favor?

>Gun culture
>Culture of violence

I shot my first rifle at 10. I learned the same three rules people of gun culture in ranges and homes from Florida to Maine To Alaska to Arizona know by heart:
>Always point the muzzle in the safest direction
>Always keep your finger out of the trigger guard and off the trigger until ready to fire
>Always make sure the firearm is unloaded when not in use
>Always treat a firearm you didn't unload yourself as loaded until checked yourself

This is the height of responsibility put on people raised in gun culture to ensure violence and unnecessary death or injury does not happen.

People in gang ridden inner cities didn't exactly go to the range with their fathers and boy scout troops.


Mass shooters aren't exactly the type to be a regular at the friendly gun club .

You are talking shit.

>You don't need a semi auto rifle
You are either trolling or unaware of how it functions.

My mistake I read automatic in the original because the auto weapons ban came up on another post. Everyone so high and mighty with their symantecs in this debate don't realize first time they hand you a rifle in basic they say leave it on semi. Make no mistake these civilian AR, Sig Sauer, etc are assault rifles though.

oh so now you're lauding the qualities of our government?

Obama is the president, not your common citizen and has the powers provided to him as such

I bet he would never do something like propose an executive action regulating guns

oh wait
whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/04/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our

I support gun control to a certain degree despite my previous posts to the contrary.

I don't however support it being in the power of the government.

I think a licensing system conducted by an NGO with no influence from manufacturers, supported by licensing fees, vetted by criminal background checks and psychiatric reports (to be used judiciously to avoid shit like "oppositional defiant disorder becoming a barrier" to firearms ownership) would be the ultimate solution to keep plankton from owning firearms.

Can anyone tell me why this idea is retarded?

No. You have an inability to understand sarcasm. Although clearly implied from your original post. So now you're saying the President has unchecked authority to implement his every whim? Obama has admitted anything he'd want to do on guns is impossible to achieve in this system

Licensing and charging fees are infringing on the right to bear arms.

you have no fucking idea what you're talking about

assault RIFLES are, by their definition, fully automatic. they are not something you pop down to your local walmart and pick up for $500 dollars. They require extra background checks, clearance with the ATF, including notification when you're crossing state lines and cost as much as a new car.

the vast VAST majority of AR-15s in civilian hands are semi automatic only and yet they are still trying to ban them because
>uh they have scary looking features

You don't need whatever machine you use to browse vox huffpo or /mlp/ and shit post on Sup Forums but you do because you want it so in short go fuck yourself

If plankton doesn't have the right to self defense and firearm ownership, then why should they have free speech, voting, religion, and media rights?

Your advocating for a purge user.