this absolutely defeats the white nationalists cheeto fingered key board edgelords

> this absolutely defeats the white nationalists cheeto fingered key board edgelords

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>(((Diamond)))
>newfag
nope

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>Blacks couldn't do anything because of geography

>Except whites managed fine with the same geography

It literally blows nothing out. It's pure fantasy.

Which is a shame, because I like Jared Diamond's other books. But this is a case of having a conclusion and then desperately trying to re-arrange facts to make it work.

>No, Zebra's cannot be domesticated, because they have not been domesticated.

>To be domesticated they must first be domesticated

Really makes you think.

I was told to buy this book for a college history course. Never read it, and it was never involved in any course material. Did I miss out by not buying it? Is it a good read?

>the Fertile Crescent thrived because of its beautiful weather and its proximity to water
>Caifornia was literally nothing until white people took it over
LOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

>He never read the 10,000 year explosion. He doesn't realize agriculture influences abstract reasoning and time preference.

>Domestication is a sustained multi-generational relationship in which one group of organisms assumes a significant degree of influence over the reproduction and care of another group to secure a more predictable supply of resources from that second group.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication

Aren't you getting tired of playing the retard?

>Horses can only be domesticated, other subgroups cannot

The guys a fucking autist to the max, you can train fucking donkeys for people to ride on.

it's ok, not very deep.

read this guy,buddy.

*

Hey I actually like this book.

>you can train fucking donkeys for people to ride on.

Same with zebras.

and some people have tamed bears it doesn't mean you can domesticate every bear or zebra.

>I don't know what domestication is

>they can't be domesticated because they haven't been domesticated

How do you think early horses were?

lad.

Why the FUCK doesn't 'understanding human history' by micheal heart get any recognition here!? it is the definitive red pill on race, genetics, history, culture.

It's an interesting read but it's not something to be taken seriously. The author effectively argues that everyone was created equal and that environments led to all differences we see in culture and success. He neglects to mention, however, that these different environments are also quite capable of selectively preferring certain aspects within the people. For example whites and their intelligence and risk-taking.

Basically he puts the cart before the horse.

>before you can be domesticated you must be domesticated
nice pretzel logic you genetic dead end

That book sucks

Resorting to ad hominem is a red flag that you lack a coherent argument.

Ideas and values play no part in creating great civilizations. Diamond it's an idiot

What about the other anons who didn't sling shit?
Got a rebuttal for them?

>''oh good''
>''he proved me wrong but also called me an idiot''
>''now i can ignore his argument and scream fallacy''
zebras can be domesticated

the redpill on race is Arthur de Gobineau's An essay on the inequality of the races.

You lack reading comprehension. If you have that skill you would understand that I am in agreement.

Again, through the power of reading comprehension, they should be able to the duck that my statement does not specifically apply to one person. Only an idiot such as yourself would look at the reply link and assume that I too I'm only using this as ad hominem.

The russians have managed to breed domesticated foxes by selective breeding after like 2 generations.

All they had to do was let the most ridable zebras have progeny

"Making Excuses for Niggers"

are you saying his argument is that animals in africa cant be domesticated so africans never went beyond hunter-gatherers?

never read the book but i know the general idea is environment shaped humans progress ir something

Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the Continent of Africa—rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrow-head worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail! He lives as his fathers lived—stole his food, worked his wife, sold his children, ate his brother, content to drink, sing, dance, and sport as the ape!

No, not really. His book Collapse is okay.

This one is extremely spurious pseudo-science.

Basically;

>Abo's can't have civilization because Australia has no domestic crops

Of course, Australia does have domestic crops, Abo's just didn't give a shit.

I would've domesticated ostriches, honestly.

>eat gras
>can flee from most predators
>can carry a man
>lay huge eggs
>have healthy meat
>can kill enemies with a kick

I will never rule an ancient African empire that's renown for its ultra-mobile cavalry, and it fucking sucks.

It's not "taming".

It's domestication.

Which takes fucking ages.

Which no one, let alone Africans, bothered to try doing with Zebras.

The book is straight up retarded. None of his assertions have any basis in reality.

It's basically the same as the;

>Syrian Muslims don't cause civil war - Syria, the geographical space, causes civil war.

He also neglects that different people found different ways to utilize the environment.

His book fits into the white privilege paradigm nicely, because as everyone knows, white people were just born into a pre-made civilization. No one had to invent or build anything.

wtf? not bernstain?

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>not one person

You only quoted one post.
Not everyone called you a bad name.
You didn't address anything but ad hom.

How does that apply to all arguments itt?

Oh, yeah. And you're a faggot.

Exactly. Wouldn't it be fucking awesome?

Taming is simply making an animal habituated to people. Elephants are tamed.
Domestication means actually breeding the animal to better suit its intended purpose e.g. aurochs to cows, wolves to dogs.

The one center bottom is obviously a painted horse, might want to remove it before it invalidates the whole collage.

>ages
Foxes were domesticated in less than 50 years straya, maybe if you weren't such a lazy cunt you abbos could be as useful as the rooskies

The Carthaginians were taming elephants in North Africa for centuries.

It's also a book that cites there originally being 2 million native Americans at max in North America, and them being wiped out by two plauges back to back.

First by tuberculosis from seals, then small pox from settlers.
>muh blankets
Small pox was already circulating through the native population before a few rebel rousers figured out you could just pass out some blankets.... A practice of bio warfare just like when Europeans used to fling rotting corpses into castles at each other.

Ultimately, it discredits the purposesful genocide mythos and paints White people as just lucky. In which case, white guilt need not apply.

Get the fuck off my neibours lawn spic.

Any one here /Graham Hancock/ ? He gets pretty "We Wuz Kangs" at times but I found his hypothesis to be worth looking into.

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That's one of his arguments. This book was once discussed a ton here but through that most oldfags know it's inaccurate. Jared Diamond himself states in the book he believes humans are all pretty much the same except pigmy are typically smarter then the average westerner because the trials they go through are tougher. Despite this he still supports having genetic tests to allow immigrants into Israel, but not your countries white men

They only did well in that geography with things that they developed in other areas.

Nice strawman

Graham Hancock is a fantastic writer/researcher. I agree his ideas are definately worth looking into. Have you read 'Supernatural' ? Worth a read if you like Hancock.

Wild donkeys aren't as nasty or behaviorally difficult as zebras.

there never where any smallpox blankets weed dude

That phrase does not mean what you think it means.

There's not many people who genuinely feel utterly angered and hateful by skin colour. Most "edge Lords" just think that mass migration is generally detrimental to the development and well being of the native culture to name one rational problem. Most people are fine with outsiders being initiated in to their society If they themselves welcome it, intergrate and provide a meaningful role.

You're misreading the statement. They can't be domesticated because of certain behavioral traits in the wild animals. Their previous domestication status isn't relevant. Wild horses were probably not as docile as modern horses, but they must not have been as crazy as zebras.

>guns
>steel

Yes two things we mastered and they did not

Hence our superiority

>intelligence and risk taking
"Whites" didn't come from an environment that encouraged those traits any more than most environments.

>There's not many people who genuinely feel utterly angered and hateful by skin colour.

No, just distrustful and not at ease. Which has some nasty implications on society as a whole, as Putnam and Dinesen found out.

>Most people are fine with outsiders being initiated in to their society If they themselves welcome it, intergrate and provide a meaningful role.
Then let's deport all of them and welcome them back in properly. That is, if your statement's not pulled out of your ass.

Right. Because we also invented boats to migrate from place to place.

However, the raw materials to develop those "things" were also already present in these environments.

We used wheat to make bread in Australia because we like it.

There were natural crops here that could be cultivated to make bread, but only hippies eat that shit - Aboriginals didn't bother to cultivate it, because they never progressed to the stone age, and had no interest in developing any form of civilization.

When Aboriginals made it, they went out and gathered wild seeds...Because they never reached the concept of taking the seeds, planting them, cultivating the crops and having a steady supply.

Why? Because they were retarded? (technically, yes), but also because there was no need. Food was plentiful.

But...Again...The proposition put forward that they didn't have the resources is just false.

They just didn't do it.

Nice pasta. Open a book.

>Posits the Idea that everyone is equal.
>Into the trash it goes.

Being in a constant state of war between nation states, being in a capitalistic environment, and having minimal government oversight compared to other countries is irrelevant?

Go back to your liberal safe space.

>must not

Yeah, that or the concept of domestication never occurred to Sub-saharan Africans.

Nor the concept of migration and import/export.

Remember...These were the ones left behind after the rest of humanity decided to push out.

Where is that pasta from?

>1 post by this I.D
It's a bait post and you nigga's biting hard. Also there is no doubt being on the continent Eurasia had huge advantages not on through connectivity but it's longitude is much greater than any other continent

I'm an imbecile, so: what explains the Chinese and their flourishing through the centuries? China is very rich in resources and they've developed more than Africans.

Or is that not a fair comparison?

Also, this is about as far as I can meet Diamond on his ideas - It's not that the geography lacked the materials. It's that the societies lacked the necessary prompting.

Why sow seeds, cultivate crops and create a steady food supply...When there is no immediate need? Aboriginals didn't need to domesticate animals, nor perform animal husbandry because they had a massive continent to themselves and could simply pack up and move on to the next food basket.

The PNGers attempted at some to teach them trade and pig farming. They ate the pigs and....and fucked off some place else to eat other animals when they were done with them.

Without a predator or inclement seasons to trouble them, perhaps they never had the necessary prodding to develop civilization.

>Get the fuck off my neibours lawn spic.
Scrremcap this.
The only based Canadian left on Sup Forums is ITT

Except for the fact that cows and pigs are an artifically evolved animals much like how humans artificially evolved wolves into dogs.

Well, Diamond's supposition is that the geography in China just has the raw resources necessary to be successful.

Which we know is false.

But...It's probably because people there had so the outside societal and environmental pressures applied to them to force them to cultivate solutions.

>Zebras can't be domesticated, because the subspecies hasn't been domesticated
this is pure idiocy
>Resorting to ad hominem is a red flag that you lack a coherent argument.
No, it's a red flag that the speaker has no respect for you as a person.

non-whites have stronger in-group preference than whites, for evolutionary reasons. Also, there is clearly something unclear with jews.

>California was nothing until white people took it over

Yeah, you know. Nothing but universal access to ocean, fertile land, gold, forestry and hunting, and perfect climate all year round.

Diamond is shit.

Ian Morris, "Foragers, Farmers, and Fossil Fuels: How Human Values Evolve" is far, far better if you want an environmental-determinist history. At least Morris focuses on methods of energy capture and use, rather than crying about (false) supposed barriers to cultural and social growth. I'd still recommend you don't take the book too seriously, though, since there are some plot holes and his thesis is overstated.

Diamond is pretty much garbage. I haven't read the other big environmental-determinist guy, and can't remember his name. I have it in my notes somewhere though so I guess I'll try to find and review it for next thread.

The Aborigines actually had the world's first boats.
Yes, there were domesticable species in places like North America and Australia, but most weren't domesticated for the reason you said: there wasn't an interest in "civilizing" themselves. Early civilizations were plagued with disease, social ills, and overcrowding compared to their hunter-gatherer neighbors. There wouldn't be incentive to settle in farming villages unless the issues of remaining hunter-gatherers (like if a drought or overhunting occurred) made hunter-gathering less economically viable as a subsistence strategy.

Diamond's research is fine and actually pretty interesting on the development of human societies. The problem is his conclusion doesn't match up with the evidence, especially with regards to China (which he himself admits he can't understand).

>le safe space meme
I just assumed you were talking about geographic or climatic factors.
Political/competitive factors are definitely relevant.

Native Americans had Bison that the white man was able to domesticate in 2 generations. There is no excuse besides unabashed cognizant niggerdom

> it never dawned on Africans to domesticate them

Well I guess it can't be done huhuhuhu

are you actually claiming that only white people are capable of painting a horse. Meet me after class.

The closest thing to a truly wild horse today isn't as nasty as a zebra.
Africans generally knew about domestication. There was agriculture and quite a bit of animal herding. Zebras were just not one of the species used.
They knew about migration and trade. There is evidence of trans-Saharan camel routes and maritime trade on the East coast, as well as typical small-scale trade.

Bison aren't domesticated. They're hardly even tamed. Even captive ones are very unpredictable. They can jump 2+ meters from standing and trample/gore reckless tourists all the time.

ok, so what's the real deal pol?

pls don't come with the BS that huh duh blacks are dumb and should be genocided.

Can we agree that them being isolated to most trade routes make them unable to develop as fast?

>huh duh mud bricks
>let's meme african history
>africans didn't have islamic buildings, kingdoms and libraries

It has been debunked multiple times

I have absolutely 0 research to back it up but I'm willing to pin the success of Europe on its ease of access to the rest of the world (and by extent, ideas and resources) through the seas

>pls don't come with the BS that huh duh blacks are dumb and should be genocided.
Why not?

Found the nigger

because I live among them and here they're nice people.

most blacks hate to death american niggers.

I keep hearing that africans are like childrens.
Most africans are poor as fuck, but they're like indigenous people, would be a shame to kill them.

Have you seen when they burn people alive?
That's how they deal with criminals, so I think africa is safer than USA.

R Faulk is that you?

It seems more to me an insight into the factors that may drive evolution on a global scale effecting man. It clearly doesn't defeat white nationalists for that very reason. Any species that has a technological or other type such as germs advantage will dominate & evolve. It is only views like communism that dissociate man from the rest of the world around him. While never bothering to answer that question in a way that makes any connect to seance like National socialists do. It is because of communism that the evolution process has stopped & possibly saved other possible future offshoots of mans evolution in a attempt to mix all blood lines witch might fall into a category of overspecialize and breed in weakness in future generations. Only time will tell. Excellent book user.

unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

It's funny to see the high IQ blacks are mostly native africans.

Another evidence that american culture makes people dumber.

>because I live among them and here they're nice people.
Sorry, but that's not an argument.

This is why you use husbandry to breed out the assholes.

It usually takes several generations of selective breeding to create a subspecies with the desired traits.

Europeans did the same thing with sheep, goats, pigs, horses, and cows.

Aurochs were nasty fuckers too, but cows are docile.

No it doesn't. East-West distance in Africa is only a little bit shorter than in Eurasia and sub-Saharan Africa has access to good crops, animals to domesticate and natural resources. There is no circumstance that was present in Europe that wasn't present in Africa. It's pure fantasy nonsense.

I met more black people in one day than you have seen in all your life.

unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

>Jared Diamond
>qualified in political science and archaeology

We read this is college, and even my female, hippy, history professor said to take it with a grain of salt; because human decisions often have way more impact than just the nature of the environment they live in.

>Diamond was born in Boston, Massachusetts. Both of his parents were from East European Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States.[4]
Oy vey!!!

Thanks I am enlightened now

It's not that Zebras can't be domesticated, it's that blacks can't domesticate Zebras.

Just like how most of Sub-Saharan Africa was unmapped and unexplored before the whites showed up. They were able to utilize antibiotics and vaccinations to venture deep into the jungle that blacks had lived in for millenia without ever making it through.

if we left Africa alone it would be a fucking agrarian Bronze Age culture still. The greatest thing to ever happen to Africa is white colonization, and by a wide margin.