Can National Socialism in the US ever come back?
Ever since George Lincoln Rockwell's assassination, National Socialism in the US has been in the Gutter. Hardly any modern Nationalist group truly represents the ideology. The NSM comes close, but they really are not big in number (i.imgur.com
Eurobros, there's a ton of Nationalist parties gaining massive support in places like Greece, France, Germany, Poland, and Scandinavia. What are they doing that we haven't done?
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The main problem is that white people in the US desire financial and social security and joining an organization like the NSM doesn't provide either, and actually cripples both. If you're worried about your job or your kid's future then marching around with or even being affiliated with the NSM will make things much worse for you. White people joining a national socialist group in the US has almost nothing to do with the ideology and everything with the economic and social coercion.
If you're an American national socialist then there are probably a dozen better ways to go about improving and securing you and your family's well-being than membership in a high profile extremist group.
Thats what im talking about. Groups like the NSM are the problem. They dont represent true NatSoc values. A new movement is desperately needed.
And id disagree. Of course you can improve your life by yourself, but that isn't what national socialism is all about. Its not about individualism, but passion for your people and culture as a whole. There's no point in being a "Nationalist" anything if you only care for yourself.
No. Nationalism itself is in its death throes, as a global society is irreversibly nigh. I hope you like cheap luxury goods and race-mixing user.
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I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but it's true. "Nations" as we understand them are a relatively new concept hailing from the French Revolution, but historically the trends comparable to nationalism have been eroded over time by the march of technology. Our new modes of communication, transportation, and global economy held up by international banking have been able to connect more people than now ever before in history.
>Can National Socialism in the US ever come back?
Only by the gun. The Jews will never allow National Socialism to legally gain power.
Not with those NSM mongoloids heading it up
You mean whites. Majority of people are against totalitarianism. Stop pretending most whites would randomly support natsocs.
>You mean whites.
No, I mean Jews.
>Majority of people are against totalitarianism.
Because the Jews tell them to be. Because they don't know any better. Because they've been brainwashed their entire lives to be anti-White.
It's like you think all the Whites have seen both sides and made an educated decision to be anti-White. Well, they haven't.
>Stop pretending most whites would randomly support natsocs.
Hence why I said the only way it'll happen is through the gun. The brainwashed Whites will eventually be forced to choose to side with the kikes (and die) or side with their race (and live.)
Nationalism and the things you listed are not mutually exclusive though. It simply means we prioritize ourselves over others. Its not ending any of these things, just situating them to be in our best interest.
As for nationalism being in its death throes, in the US maybe, but not abroad. Look at how big UKIP has gotten, look at growing groups like Golden Dawn, etc. Europe is getting it.
Exactly, if you want to do this you'd have to extirpate not only the fed, but most international industry, media, universities, etc. If you are an anti-semite, you must accept that "The Jew" and "Jew Enablers" or "nigger lovers" are more numerous than natsocs, and infest the landscape of your nation like a crop of kudzu. You can't take back the land without utterly destroying the soil.
The US would balkanize under the strain of a new "reich" and those remaining "NatSoc" portion established in the conflict would certainly end up like North Korea, utterly dependent on the beneficence of greater powers to survive. If Jews and black people scare you so much just start an underground cooperative of PhDs and geneticists, so you can secretly sterilize them all with covert bio-terror attacks over the span of years. Finding hardcore highly-educated anti-semite epidemiologists and biochemists shouldn't be that hard...right?
They are mutually exclusive. A global, multiracial society is inevitable.
So if white people are so smart then why are they so easy manipulated by the jooos?
>they've been brainwashed their entire lives to be anti-White
kek. I am not "anti white" and most people I know are not either. Nobody wants national socialism. Grow up.
>if you don't support me you're anti white
you're under the age of 20 I suspect? right? Those cool Hitler videos on youtube sure changed your mind right? Those badass nazis damn.
It can come back so long as it isn't called that
>The US would balkanize under the strain of a new "reich" and those remaining "NatSoc" portion established in the conflict would certainly end up like North Korea, utterly dependent on the beneficence of greater powers to survive.
The difference being that chinks aren't White and National Socialism is different than Communism.
When Whites have their own, White-only homeland, we'll thrive.
>So if white people are so smart then why are they so easy manipulated by the jooos?
Even the strongest person can still get cancer.
>kek. I am not "anti white" and most people I know are not either.
If you're not pro-White, you're anti-White.
>Nobody wants national socialism.
Well, you're an idiot.
>Grow up.
Said the faggot doing exactly what the Jews want him to.
>you're under the age of 20 I suspect? right? Th
Wrong.
>Those cool Hitler videos on youtube sure changed your mind right? Those badass nazis damn.
And your dead nazi pic is supposed to scare me or something?
Christ, I bet you even believe the Holocaust happened. Don't you?
You're going to vote for Trump righ?
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This is something i've contemplated. The average American has been brainwashed by the jewish propaganda machine for so long, they could never rally under something of the same name again. A NS movement with a new facade just might work.
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tfw when your bump fails and you make two more replies so it can look like you intend to do it. kek. and seriously if thats all nazi pictures in your computer you have that means you are a newfag and you should go back to tumblr to make some more nazi posts to do to the normies. thread is interesting but I am not replying to a dumbass.
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We have been conditioned from childhood to have an automatic negative reaction to nazism. Think of the horrible photos and diary entries from as early as grade school. This is why "suit & tie" racism is now on the rise. You MIGHT be able to get away with being just "nationalist" but even that raises many people's eyebrows.
The whole point of the swastika and the uniforms was it attracted people who were willing to do something.
If the swastika and the uniforms trigger you to to the point of inaction, it's not like you'd ever lift a finger to save the White race in the first place.
Problem is, the NSM is just fucking up because it doesn't matter if they have the swastika and the uniforms, if they look and act retarded it does no good.
That's why groups like the American Nazi Party doesn't have public rallies. Until they get the numbers to impress and the members look the part, they're not going to have rallies where the anti-Whites can ridicule them.
>When Whites have their own, White-only homeland, we'll thrive
How do you prove this.
Seriously. The a NatSoc US can't "thrive" on autarky. It would still need to trade.
>When Whites have their own, White-only homeland, we'll thrive.
t. posted from my trailer in Alabama. Good luck not having a famine when try to be le volkisch self-sufficient nation of aryans that don't need no global market
what are true natsoc values as applied to the usa?
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>How do you prove this.
Have you seen what Whites accomplish when we're not infected with Jews, multiculturalism and diversity?
>Seriously. The a NatSoc US can't "thrive" on autarky. It would still need to trade.
And there aren't White nations to trade with?
>t. posted from my trailer in Alabama.
Oh look, an anti-White trying to insult the White race.
Why don't you call me a redneck, inbred hillbilly hick cracker as well?
>Good luck not having a famine when try to be le volkisch self-sufficient nation of aryans that don't need no global market
Said the globalist who loves his anime.
I get it. You're anti-White. So of course you'll hate Whites being proud of their race and wanting to save it.
You can start by gassing yourself, newfag. Half of that was not only incoherent, but no one here talks like that.
autarkic nations still trade. the usa is practically autarkic they just dont want others to be
>what are true natsoc values as applied to the usa?
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It would need to trade, but we will have a nice closed guarded community, with less crimes and with a lot of job choice and very hardworking people which would do a lot to the economy without any spares for welfare. We can trade with other countries while we are only white community right? Or indeed we can't? Why can't we?
>If you're not pro-White, you're anti-White.
I really don't give a fuck. I don't obsess over race. You need to leave your house for once and realize not everyone is out to fuck you over. Your definition of pro white is clearly being a natsoc.
>Well, you're an idiot.
Wow you sure proved me wrong. Just be realistic. over 90% don't want national socialism or some totalitarian regime.
>Said the faggot doing exactly what the Jews want him to.
The jooos are out to get us right? Did Mein Kampf tell you that?
>And your dead nazi pic is supposed to scare me or something?
Its supposed to tell you that national socialism is long dead. You were not even alive during that time. You are emotional over a bunch of videos you watched on youtube about how great Nazi Germany supposedly was. Know this. The German economy was prompted up by state public works projects. The German economy had no chance of long term success the way it was going. You don't even know anything about economics.
>christ, I bet you even believe the Holocaust happened. Don't you?
I don't care about the holocaust. I don't care about world war 2. I don't obsess over petty things which happened in the past.
>You're going to vote for Trump righ?
I am not voting for anyone. Both candidates are full blown retards.
I literally just said that. Hence why I posed a Triskelion. I'm well aware of the importance of symbolism, just noting the fact that the swastika has be ingrained to far into peoples heads as the worst symbol of hate, that it is neigh impossible to redeem.
Agreed with the rest.
Depends. "what whites accomplish" was done in coordination with other races, cultures, and peoples via trade.
right, but saying "we need a white only nation, but not a white only economy" is hypocritical.
See the above. You can have a uni-racial community and nation, sure. But to say, "we wan't their goods but not their culture, their people, or anything else about them" is hypocritical in my eyes.
>YOU fucking newfag
>totally inhorent
>I talk like a normal stormfag
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i dont see why
>I don't care about world war 2
>literally the only reason youre alive
>have a little gratitude
Because you are literally saying "oh, fuck other cultures and other people. But what we do want is their goods, so we can associate with some of them to trade, but just not any more than that because...just because."
>I really don't give a fuck. I don't obsess over race.
Thus proving you're anti-White.
>Your definition of pro white is clearly being a natsoc.
And? I also accept White Nationalists and White Separatists as pro-White.
>over 90% don't want national socialism or some totalitarian regime.
And? They're brainwashed and wrong.
>The jooos are out to get us right?
Yes.
>Did Mein Kampf tell you that?
No, the facts did.
>Its supposed to tell you that national socialism is long dead.
Because you, an anti-White that welcomes the genocide of the White race says so. You'll forgive me if I don't trust a thing your anti-White ass says.
>You are emotional over a bunch of videos you watched on youtube about how great Nazi Germany supposedly was. Know this. The German economy was prompted up by state public works projects. The German economy had no chance of long term success the way it was going. You don't even know anything about economics.
And yet you do, right? the anti-White is going to lecture me about how I should be anti-White too? LMAO!
>I don't care about the holocaust. I don't care about world war 2. I don't obsess over petty things which happened in the past.
Yet you believe it happened.
>I am not voting for anyone. Both candidates are full blown retards.
So you're a nihilist?
>just noting the fact that the swastika has be ingrained to far into peoples heads as the worst symbol of hate, that it is neigh impossible to redeem.
It doesn't need to be redeemed because it's only evil in the eyes of anti-Whites. Why should NSists care what anti-Whites think of us?
>Depends. "what whites accomplish" was done in coordination with other races, cultures, and peoples via trade.
You seem to think that the existence of the White race hinges on its interactions with other races. Of course a globalist would think that...
It may be but that is politics. Hypocritical or not it must be a fact, just like China succeeds like that we will also. Keeping your own culture is more important then getting others right?
how is wanting to preserve different cultures and people saying fuck other ones? i dont understand the logic
>You seem to think that the existence of the White race hinges on its interactions with other races.
Not what I'm saying. White people can build and construct things all they want, and they do so as a result of the cultural and intellectual achievements of people of said race. But such constructions could not take place in most cases without the presence of goods from other areas. Lets say the US at this very moment becomes strictly autarkical and ends all trade. From whence does it enough derive oil to sustain the nation?
True, but the question then is why is culture so important.
Because you're saying you don't want someone else's culture. You want YOUR culture and YOUR CULTURE ALONE.
>how is wanting to preserve different cultures and people saying fuck other ones?
To anti-Whites, if you're pro-White that means you want to holocaust every single non-White on the planet.
The anti-Whites can't understand that to be pro-White means you simply want the White race, White culture and White traditions to exist and continue to exist without being destroyed by multiculturalism, diversity and multiracialism.
Because I don't care what anti-Whites think of us, I care what whites think of us, and many of them associate it with the hate they've been brainwashed into. Believe me, i'd love to use the symbol still, but I think it would be way easier to use a new symbol to ensnare new people, just like Golden Dawn, the Identitarian Movement, and The Nordic resistance movement have done, all creating new symbols, but still representing the true nationalist identity behind it.
you can enjoy and experience other cultures and peoples without mixing with them. mixing two different peoples and cultures destroys both, if you cared about other cultures so much you wouldnt be trying so hard to destroy them in order to supplant them with globalized google mcdonalds and mac n cheese.
And also, how the hell do you people even fit into Sup Forums? I understand that you fit the racially motivated component, but not the economic one. Not by a long shot. Almost everyone I've talked to on Sup Forums has been vehemently against socialism, almost to ancap levels. So how exactly do you justify socialism? How do you think people will accept being paid equal wages despite different work?
I don't care about other cultures. I don't care about any culture honestly. It is for this reason I see no issue with race mixing.
>But such constructions could not take place in most cases without the presence of goods from other areas.
So in such a case, let's trade with other White nations then.
Just because trade might be needed doesn't mean that we must allow non-Whites and their cultures into our homelands.
>but I think it would be way easier to use a new symbol to ensnare new people, just like Golden Dawn, the Identitarian Movement, and The Nordic resistance movement have done, all creating new symbols, but still representing the true nationalist identity behind it.
And you notice how Golden Dawn and the rest are still vilified and called Nazi's?
It doesn't matter what symbol you use. You'll still be called an evil Holocausting Nazi for any pro-White symbolism. So you might as well go with the original and the best.
And then let the White people see who you really are through your actions. When those actions cease to line up with what the media tells them, they'll start to trust the media less and your group more.
>And also, how the hell do you people even fit into Sup Forums?
You mean politically incorrect? What's more politically incorrect that being a holocaust denying Nazi?
What, you think being a Conservative Republican is being politically incorrect? ROTFLMAO!
>lmost everyone I've talked to on Sup Forums has been vehemently against socialism, almost to ancap levels. So how exactly do you justify socialism? How do you think people will accept being paid equal wages despite different work?
You are brainwashed to believe socialism = Judeo Communism/Socialism.
Here, I'll post several images showing the differences between the two.
Exactly.
>Thus proving you're anti-White.
You realize not everyone is a member of stormfront and only thinks about this right? What shithole state are you from btw? Let me guess Alabama or Mississippi?
>And? I also accept White Nationalists and White Separatists as pro-White.
Let me also take a guess you're one of those idiot stormfags who go around spamming muh white genocide all over youtube and pol.
>And? They're brainwashed and wrong.
That really is your opinion. Just because someone thinks differently than you does not make them wrong. So everyone is brainwashed but you? You sound exactly like a SJW or commie.
>Because you, an anti-White that welcomes the genocide of the White race says so.
kek I was right. You are a stormfag who believes in this shit. Trying to create hysteria over nothing. How about instead of whining on a Japanese image board you go out and get a girlfriend and have some babies if you are so worried and paranoid? Oh wait you can't get a girlfriend? hmmm I wonder why that is.
>Yet you believe it happened.
Yet you are assuming things. I don't care if the holocaust was real or fake. No idea why you have this creepy obsession with nazis and ww2. You realize they were the losers right? You realize they are the reason why Germany was completely destroyed and lost most of its territory.
I am done arguing with you. You obviously are a stormfront shill and can't listen to reason. So glad most stormfags left Sup Forums pol and went to the other one. A pure natsoc echochamber.
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It indentifies you and your nation with something a sign of it. People die culture doesnt. We have to keep it. We haven't lived in Africa making fart rituales(they seriously did) we lived in Europe we have folklore, beliefs and many other signs. We are civilized good mannered and loving, but under that deep inside, we have this flame that may be not be extinguished. Our nationalism our power and fury, our strenght and dominance. They may have put out our self esteem our believing in us, but they will never extinguish our souls.
A lot of work has to be done to get America any where near something like NatSoc.
Conservatives have been brainwashed with the whole "muh free trade "and "muh Capitalism" bullshit that they actively work to lower their wages and ship their jobs over seas.
Liberals have been brainwashed toward the same thing just from a different angle and willfully destroy their lives in the form of "muh diversity" and "muh borders".
Public enemy number one is the massive media propaganda machine. Until something can be done about the wealthy, elite controlled media and its iron grip on public opinion we have no hope.
But that isn't socialism. By definition, it is not socialism. In a socialist society, the means of production are collectively owned. Why call it socialism when it doesn't fit the description? Why not national capitalism?
How do you suppose God regards Nazis?
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>I am done arguing with you.
Cry more you whiny little bitch
>You obviously are a stormfront
Only anti-Whites use the "Stormfront is bad" meme.
What's the matter? Did they ban you for attempting to post interracial porn there?
>shill
As opposed to being an anti-White shill like you?
>and can't listen to reason.
You mean because I don't accept your Jewified version of the "truth" I can't listen to reason?
>So glad most stormfags left Sup Forums pol and went to the other one.
Which one would that be? certainly not 4+4 chan.
>A pure natsoc echochamber.
Said the faggot who wants to turn Sup Forums into a pure anti-White echochamber.
>(((wealthy, elite controlled media)))
FTFY
>But that isn't socialism. By definition, it is not socialism. In a socialist society, the means of production are collectively owned. Why call it socialism when it doesn't fit the description? Why not national capitalism?
You're confusing the true version of socialism (national socialism) with the Jewish definition of socialism.
to be fair the SA wasnt exactly filled with model citizens
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Can Tejanos be American NatSoc?
well, that goes without saying
Mate, you need to learn more about what NS is. "National Capitalism" is very very much what NS is not. The massively powerful jew-controlled corporations is one of the things Hitler rallied against. Refer to He doesn't, because he doesn't exist. If he did, he would smile upon them for keeping all aspects of his creation extant.
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>Now go support the WHITE GENOCIDE thread.
Call me a shill if you want but I think American just has libertarianism/classical liberalism in its DNA. A lot of people would never accept a fascist government here.
No, I'm not. Literally, every single fucking philosopher that has written about socialist economics has had the same ideals. Not identical of course, there are variations. But regardless it's called socialism, and has been called socialism since the late 1700s for a reason. Again, why don't you just change the name to further remove it from this alleged judeo-definition?
Dude why do you even argue with a stormfag? Why are you here? If you are so annoyed of them stop visiting this board. I mean if you are a liberal that is seriously not a place for you. This board is designed originaly for people like him and partly me if you don't like it, don't visit it.
is there a solid definition for an american style aryan? seems like well over half the country would have to go by hitlers standards
>Again, why don't you just change the name to further remove it from this alleged judeo-definition?
Because you should be intelligent enough to know the differences between the two.
The reason race mixing and culture clashes are bad is because it can create short term problems, such as in the US there's an entire ethnic underclass of black and Hispanic people.
I honestly have no problems with mixing, mixing is good because it integrates the children into mainstream society.
However I am not a believer in multicultural socities; I don't mind pizza or kebab, no. But I do mind when Italians and Turks become an ethnic group that live outside mainstream swedish society. I think that retarded stormfags are useful idiots - very useful actually - because they make sure we don't tolerate any other people who don't join integrate. They're great, as long as they don't get too much power.
Culture and race are social constructs, the lefties got that right - that said, they're very useful social constructs.
this tbqh famalam
sumerian, babylonian, assyrian, celtic, hellenic, nordic etc cultures have all vanished and we havent plunged into eternal torment just yet, why is japanese or german culture so much more intrinsically valuable?
Then why are you here blackpill?
When Germany was a "patriachical", relatively homogenous, Christian/secular nation it was the centre and peak of European culture. It also became a Superpower which would have conquered all of Europe and secured the existence of white Europe if it wasn't for Bolshevism, world Jewry and your missguided intervention.
Now since it drifted to the left for 40 decades and became """""multi cultural"""""" it is a degenerate, declining shithole. Also don't come me with the "freedom" argument: have you ever lived here in *Best Korea*? And concerning the economy: that which still makes us great was mostly created by conservatives in the 50s and early 60s.
That's retarded, and misleading, almost deliberately so. It is unreasonable to use terms that most aptly fit what you are describing. After reading the essay describing the system, it is stated that the system draws elements from both laissez-faire capitalism and "Bolshevik communism" to create a centrist economy. This is exactly what every nation state does, and it's called "regulated capitalism." So the term "national capitalism" is still most apt, since socialism by definition entails collectivist economics, which capitalism, even with regulation, entails individualist ones. NatSoc is closer to capitalism in this way.
>I know better than all National Socialists, ever!
Couldn't have said it better.
That pic tho.
>reducing the discussion to memes
k then
ebin menes : ^)
I appreciate your perspective, but for a moment let us think:
Why is North Korea not a superpower and cultural icon, despite preserving traditional Korean culture, ethnic hegemony, and strong martial discipline? Why is South Korea doing so well, despite being massively degenerate and basically a localized Azn Weimar Berlin in comparison? Hint: trade, which means money. Money is everything. Let this be a comparison to the situation of a bygone Europe, which is now eclipsed entirely by America.
We've been trading for two hundred years, in the practical and economical sense the world is "globalized" since at least 500 years and the British Empire. Actually since the Roman Empire, especially since the area around the Mediterranean basically WAS the world. All that which is described as "globalization" today and contrary to nationalism and the will to preserve onnce identity, culture and ethnic homogeity is entirely ideological. Personally I believe it is bound to fail: to horribly crash with no survivors. But knowing it won't necessarily mean you won't have to suffer along.
And to give a current example: just because I can communicate with other people around the earth, it doesn't mean I could not and should not have traits and qualities which make me unique and different from other cultures. I always find globalization to be the argument FOR national cultures. "Diversity" just means a nihilistic, consumerist stream of mud.
And the will to preservve the culture, values and traditions of Germany, which is not old at all - only we can decide to let it die and rot - also doesn't mean I have to invade Poland. (Although they are Germans in denial :^))
don't fucking use 'whence' to support an idiotic question of sourcing of oil. Your mom already thinks you are smart and special, fuck off