>people who think hate speech shouldn't be illegal
1. Hate speech helped cause the Holocaust (which happened btw)
2. Words put people in the hospital (the psychiatric hostpial)
3. You acknowledge books can change your life and the pen is mightier than the sword, so clearly words have power. Why not keep people safe from that power?
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God can you imagine her face, that sheer look of pain and ecstasy, as she gets penetrated and fucked by blg black cock?
I call it truth, you call it hate speech.
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>which happened btw
Peer-reviewed source supported by plentiful forensic evidence?
The Holocaust occurred because some ideas weren't allowed to be talked about, so instead they were talked about in dimly lit rooms. Trying to censor an idea will only win over more people to that way of thinking.
I hope you are genuinely this stupid.
It makes it more hilarious.
Who decides what qualifies as hate speech?
Would it be a standard or would their be qualifiers like this whole intersectionality bullshit?
If offense is taken where no offense was meant, who's guilty of wrong think?
Will it be illegal to point out facts that highlight significant problems within a demographic?
Will there be a double standard?
Can only whites be racist and guilty of it?
Does it involve privilege + power?
>Who decides what qualifies as hate speech?
Someone well-qualified. Someone who has knowledge of history, psychology, and law.
>If offense is taken where no offense was meant, who's guilty of wrong think?
It's not about offense, it's about harm.
>Can only whites be racist and guilty of it?
Whites have more power and are more racist, so they will probably be convicted more. As I said, it's about harm, not offense. Whites are harder to harm with speech.
What is hate speech anyway? I never understood this term because all it really boils down to is ''bad ideas''. How can you objectively know that an idea is bad? I mean Hitler and most of the people who elected Hitler would consider Jews who say that they deserve to live to be hate speech, it's purely relative. That's as retarded as saying bad ideas shouldn't be legal, but the moment you drop the word ''hate speech'' it somehow gives you authority over whether or not it's a good idea. The whole reason we have democracy is to let people decide whether or not the idea presented to the is good, for better or worse. Why have democracy if you want to take their right to make that decision because you know better? I know it's probably bait but it's so frustrating to see that no one who uses the term hate speech be able to explain what it means.
Good news is if we can ban hate speech we can ban the quran
So I guess what you are saying is, there will be a double standard.
It's not a double standard. The situations are different .
>Someone who has knowledge of history, psychology, and law.
But Lefties make terrible judgment calls.
Am I not a person? Do I not feel? Would I not be just a susceptible to harm?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
You are a person. it's not just about feelings though. it's about harm. In the United States, whites have historically been the privileged culture. Someone calling you a cracker is not the same as someone calling a black person a nigger, just like in Nazi germany calling a German a kraut wasnt as bad as calling a Jew a kike.
The Constitution was written a long time ago, and it has changed before. It should change again.
You're making a lot of assumptions about that user.
You don't even know his skin colour, but acting as though you can judge him for being white.
That's pretty racist and hurtful.
Do you not care about male suicide?
Your entire argument is hate speech.
>Go out drinking
>Friend brings a butch lesbian looking friend
>We end up talking about Orlando, guns and personal liberty
>She tells me that amendments should be repealed without due process, that people should be stripped of their rights without trial, and that no one needs firearms
>Without any trace of irony
I'm scared of the world we live in, guys.
commit the maximum amount of suicide
How is she not right?
Yes but it's the right kind of hate speech.
Fighting fire with fire so to speak.
You subhuman baboon. You literal nigger.
How dare you speak, you swarthy jungle monkey. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling mouth?
You are human trash, Diego Tyrone LeShawn de Maradona. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Your nationality and skin tone offers no hope to the world that South America can ever prosper. Crawl back in to the Brazilian jungle you came out of, you literal orangutan.
I hope you decide to sail your grandfathers skip to the Falklands and rape some sheep, as is in the negroes nature. It would still be the whitest pussy you ever had. Give Nigel and Robert a chance for some target practice, your sole use to the world. Argentinians obsession with a few windswept islands in the Atlantic is hilarious but sad. Coincidentally its the only worthwhile contribution Argentina has made to the medical field. The MUH LAS MALVINAS sentiment in the average negro Argentinian is both an early warning sign of autism in children, and early on set Alzheimer's in adults.
Take your black hairy fingers off your keyboard, and never talk about the human species again, you mockery of our supposed shared ancestor.. No amount of olive oil and wheat flour slabbed on your face every morning will make you white. It's about as delusional of an idea as your daydreams of European heritage.
You nigger.
You make Bolivia look like a beacon of civilisation.
You are the Baltimore of South America.
Go fertilise the pampas with you and your families corpses, its the best you can hope for in life. For the first time in your life, nigger, you have a job making food for beings vastly superior to yourself. Uruguayan cattle. Coincidentally, it would be the first time an Argentinian "man" provided for a family.
Die, Diego. No one would miss you. Except for Australian Aboriginals, who now would have no one to make them look good.
>Someone well-qualified. Someone who has knowledge of history, psychology, and law.
so what your saying is you cant make up your own mind? youd rather fucking have someone decide what you can and cant speak about with people in public? you are out of your fucking mind dude, authority is a rotten lie, the people in charge are no different than anyone else, everyone thinks their opinion is the correct one they just have the power to enforce their opinion on you legally
>words put people in the psych ward
>t. "bullied" in school
Listen up, faggot. You're in control of how you react to what people say. Stop trying to be a legit fascist with your Orwellian thought crime, just because your art was ridiculed, Fruher.
If you can be stripped of your rights without due process, in what way is the legal system just?
If rights given by the government can be revoked at any time without due process, in what way does a person have rights?
If the legal system is not just, and the government does not respect your rights, why should you rely on them for your own self defense?
Srsly tho, guys. Knock it off. I'm absolutely terrified that this is becoming the majority opinion and there is nothing I can do to stop it.
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What currently counts as hate speech?
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Leftfag here. Freedom of speech is a two way street. Banning hate speech is an easy first step to censoring opinions that are inconvenient to those in power. Or did you not think about who would decide what constitutes "hate speech."
>Someone well-qualified. Someone who has knowledge of history, psychology, and law.
If you can't understand what someone is talking about and need an interpreter to tell you whether you should be offended or not, then you are taking this victim complex to a whole new level.
So because of history, my feelings are not as important as that of a black man's?
What of the Irish? White people are not monolithic.
I would sure hope that someone like you would not be defining hate speech. You are totally disregarding intent.
Whether one uses a term regarded as derogatory or not, whether it be honkey, cracker or just plain white, intent can remain the same. It is the context of what is said that matters.
Words such as cracker, nigger, spic or kike are indeed loaded with historical context, but this does not nullify someones hate because they were a little more eloquent in speech.
"Old white people just need to die." Is not less hateful because the phrase abstained from using cracker.
Shhh... I'm giving him rope.
Fuck you and fuck your thread
You're not reading what I'm writing.
The laws aren't because of feelings or offense. That's why intent isn't important. We're talking about harm. The punishment could be less severe for unintentional hate speech, like manslaughter is the lesser form of murder.
The point is that speech has harmful consequences. The dehumanization of Jews led to the Holocaust. And someone calling a white person a cracker in contemporary American doesn't have the same effect as someone calling a black person a nigger.
I'm not measuring which one is more hateful, more offensive, or which feelings are more important. This is about harm.
The fuck? The Nazis had a whole newspaper dedicated to spreading hatred. Why are especially Americans always so uneducated yet think they know what they're talking about.
I'm fine with German law and see the need.
>The point is that speech has harmful consequences
Nope. Speech literally is never the cause of harm. Actions are the cause of harm, and actions are what are illegal.
>Hate speech helped cause the Holocaust (which happened btw)
Nope, putting people into railcars and gassing them did. Also,
>the Holohoax
>Words put people in the hospital (the psychiatric hostpial)
Nope, their own insane and irrational psychosis does. No rational, healthy person would ever end up in a mental hospital from 'mean' things people have said.
Any other shit examples?
We all would have been better off without reading your retarded bullshit but that's the cost of free speech.
calm down user
Are you too dumb to google existing laws covering this? Apparently.
Back to Canada Trudeau.
>speech has harmful consequences
I know this is bait, but you're fucking retarded if you actually believe this. Calling somebody a nigger isn't going to put them in the fucking hospital. The only harm I could see is one of you faggots crying yourself to death over someone calling you a cuck.
Fuck off with your hurt feelings. Ban something truly evil, like usary.
Listen fuck face, I'm leading this dipshit to laws such as libel and slander and defamation of character.
I don't need some Nazi telling me to google some shit.
My point to the OP is, how will it be determined?
Now go find some refugee dick to suck, while praising them for raping your women because your master's will not let you think any different.
>1. Hate speech helped cause the Holocaust (which happened btw)
hope it happens again
>2. Words put people in the hospital (the psychiatric hostpial)
hope you stay there
>3. You acknowledge books can change your life and the pen is mightier than the sword, so clearly words have power. Why not keep people safe from that power?
nah
>lying is illegal....at least in a judicial court it is..the holocaust is one of the biggest lies ever told to the world....jews were hated for many reasons all over the world by many different races of people...mostly for their brazen lying and greed for all things material.....you can fool all of the people some of the time....but not all of the people all of the time... the time is coming again when the jews must pay for their sins.
Hate speech = thought crime
It is the new phrase for punishing unpopular speech.
Not hate speech:
God hates you
God hates men
God hates Americans
Hate speech:
God hates fags
On porn the old argument was "I know it when I see it."
This same rule is applied to hate speech. Hate speech is what some people don't want to hear.
Jew here, the holohoax didn't happen.
Because i'm not responsible for the way someone reacts, thinks or feels to what i say.
Tho i beleive i can and others should be allowed to say what they want.
We shouldn't let pussies infringe upon our right to make sounds with our mouths, thats a sure fire way to create tyranny.
Not saying the things you think doesn't stop you from thinking those things.
Offence is taken, not given.
Yes, hate speech should be illegal like in GErmany.
>It's not about offense, it's about harm.
How do you quantify this harm?