Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?

Dr. Isildur, I'm Rivendel

EEEEE SILLLLLL DOOOOOR

Mostly the elf. The human was under influence.

Why didn't Elrond just forcefully take the ring or kill him?

He didn't want to cause a scene at the end of a long day.

Isildur for not making his tax policy clearer

Gold price was rising and he was going to have to repay that.

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The Numenoreans were definitely in the wrong, because it wasn't just them that took out Sauron. He never would have showed himself without the elf armies threatening him.

this is currently my favorite Sup Forums meme

Elrond for not pushing Isildur into the lava

This

Why not just stab Isildur in the ass?

Why the elves keep getting away with it?

He chose the lesser evil.

This, it should have been set out in a fully costed manifesto

MUH STRENGTH OF MEN!!!!!!

Both are in the wrong.

>Isildur
Was under the influence of the ring, didn't have the willpower to destroy it or give it to someone who could

>Elrond
Even though he didn't know about the One Ring's +10 Corruption special, Elrond should have KOed Isildur as soon as he refused to destroy it.

Why did anyone in LOTR think that the ring would give them great power? All it does is make you evil and turn you invisible.

Spoken like a true Noldor kinslayer scumbag. Sworn any oaths today?

People realize that Isildur was the king of men right?

Taking the ring or attacking him in any way would have started a war between the races

Could've said he tripped desu, no witnesses.

Ok thats a nice scene and all but we all have to adress the elephant in the room here
Isildur's tax policy was a total wreck and he wouldnt be able to keep his kingdom in one piece this is a fact

Manwe for being a cuck

Invisibility is a great advantage when the the bailiff comes asking for taxes

a flaw in the movies (maybe inherited from the books?) is that the power of the ring is never really clearly stated. Okay it makes you invisible, but what else? Is there like a magic missile or something?

Would the elf had thrown it in the fire?

It can resize itself. That's pretty crazy.

There is no known true power to the ring except from Sauron's evil. The reason men covet the ring is because it corrupts them into believing they need its power, that it's good for them. Like anything precious, it distorts peoples' judgement. It exploits the weaknesses of men, their greed, selfishness etc. all for the sake of trying to be found by its master.
Sauron is only shown to be capable of seeing the ring when someone wears it, therefore the ring has to get someone weak to wear it.

It doesn't JUST make you invisible, it enhances your strengths and attributes. Bilbo was a hobbit, and hobbits are good for stealth, hence it made him invisible.

>Bilbo was a hobbit, and hobbits are good for stealth, hence it made him invisible.

Is this ever directly stated by JRR Tolkien in any interviews or official writings? It reeks of fan theory.

Also makes you live a long ass time apparently

Stop repeating this bullshit. It makes you "invisible" because it's pushing you into the unseen world.

Elrond didn't do wrong- he didn't try to take the ring, leaving the NAP unviolated.

The ring actually did violate the NAP by compelling Isildur to keep it through mind-altering power.

How could Bilbo put the ring on without Sauron sperging out on him? Seems pretty chill every time he wore it in both Lotr and the Hobbit.

The white men

Sauron wasn't as strong in The Hobbit as he was in LotR. Lotr takes place like 80 years after The Hobbit and in that time Sauron's will to find the Ring and the Ring's will to find his master had grown massively.

Sauron wasn't sufficiently awoken at the time.

He didn't want to end the book so soon

Bilbo puts on the ring at his birthday jam and nothing happens. Frodo wears it a short time later on Weathertop and Sauron goes full REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GIVE ME BACK MY RING

The problem is that the movie crunches some timeframes. In the book there's like 50 years between Bilbo's birthday party and leaving for Rivendell and when Gandalf returns to the Shire to warn about the wraiths searching for the ring.

because at that point Gandalf told Saruman about the ring and he told it to Sauron so he was looking out for it

There is 17 years. But it doesn't matter anyway because Frodo doesn't seen a giant eye on top of Weathertop in the books.

What? Seriously? Holy fuck.

17 years later. Sauron gained a lot of power in that time.

both, I'll explain why:
1. Elrond didn't stopped Isildur from keeping the ring...B-BUT KILLING ISILDUR WOULD CAUSE A RACE WAR BETWEEN MEN AND ELVES REEEEEEE, yeah nah fuck it, i rather kill a bunch of privileged white gondorians than having fucking sauron wandering about like nothing happened.
2. Elrond didn't warn the leaders of the middle earth folk about what happened that day, B-BUT THE RING WAS LONG LOST WHEN ISILDUR WAS KILL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, yeah nah fuck you, a search party should have been organized motherfuckers
3. Isildur for being a massive bitch and not throwing himself with the ring to the fires of mount doom.

Ah, shit, you're right. Frodo's AGE was 50 when Gandalf returned. I mixed that up. But still, that's quite a lot of time to pass.

Tolkien's explanation would probably be that Elves don't have the drive or the force of will to alter Arda's future like men do.

It creates a clear codified set of tax laws.

Have some questions for Bookfags.

1) Does Aragorn have some sort of power or special abilities?
2) Why he "choose" to die instead of fucking trying o refloat fucking Numenor?
3) Why all the Elves are so fucking useless?
4) Why Bombadil was discarded to carry the ring when he's literally God?
5) Who else aside from Aragorn is a Numenorean king?

4. He'd have lost it. He wouldn't care about it enough. Plus, Sauron would have conquered the rest of the continent.

1) long life from his numenorean ancestors. levitating abilities, can't freely fly tho.
2) he believes everything happens for a reason, eru (or allah as he calls it in some parts of the book) wills it and he's nothing and no one to interfere with His will.
3) Elves are privileged, they rest and rely in these privilege that's why they are more of a problem than an aid for the rest of folk
4) Bombadil is not a god, not even tolkien himself has ever adknowledge bombadil as a god but more of an entity that somehow found its way to the middle earth, plus it would be useless cause he literally doesn't give a fuck.
5) Donald J. Trump

1. He's big and strong, has some powers of foresight and healing.
2. Because that's impossible.
3. All the useful Elves are dead.
4. The one thing Tolkien said he absolutely wasn't was God.
5. All the Kings of Gondor and Arnor were Númenórean.

In the movie? Don't know.

In the book? Isildur is a super-human and would kill Elrond 1v1

Thank you. Im really sick of fa/tv/irgins saying it only makes hobbits invisible.

Also, the ring gives you mind control over other ring bearers. But only Sauron is capable of use it

Elrond couldn't take the ring because the elves wouldnt be able to afford the transfer duties on an item like the One Ring

Elrond as he said NO to a Boujee ass ring

>eru (or allah as he calls it in some parts of the book)
huh

>2. Because that's impossible.

Wrong. Galadriel itself said the Island can float again if they interfere with the world's structure once again and return it to its original form.

That means the Island can float again.

>Isildur is a super-human

What the fuck are you smoking nigger, Isildur was less powerful than any fucking elve.

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Isildur turned invisible to escape from orcs, and the ring slipped from his finger when he was in the water, so the orcs saw him and shoot him dead.

Almost every time a character talks about Hobbits as a race, they mention how stealthy they are.

Hobbits can pass completely unseen by the big folk if they want to.

yeah that shit never made much sense to me, is not like hobbits have any feline like features or superpowers and shit, dudes are stealthy but never stablished why are they like that.

The huge, hairy feet and rustic lifestyle probably mean they can nimbly move through all sorts of underbrush without making a sound.

It's just a slight for how everyone ignores manlets.

Tax purposes

Because that would have caused a war between the Noldor and Dúnedain, and the Dúnedain would have won.

Confirmed for fucking pleb that never read the books.

Memes aside, who do you think would be the best actress to play Eowyn in an LotR made in 2017?

Katheryn Winnick?

What are you gonna do when they decide to reboot the series?

Try not to cry.

Cry a lot.

We know they won't change the gender or race of characters, but they *will* add characters, like a swarthy Easterling runaway or a spunky Gondorian lady-knight.

They wont. The Tolkien Estate is really protective of the franchise.

Why didn't Elrond just forcefully take the ring or kill him?

Trying to take the ring through violence in the place where it's at it's most powerful seems like a very stupid thing to do

Assassinate the director, and every director that signs on to it in the future.


Dominique Tipper

They thought so because the people who wrote about it thought so.

>or give it to someone who could

Nobody can. That's the point. Not even Frodo was able to

Did you miss the part where Bilbo barely aged?

So how high is Galadriel on the LoTRpower rankings? I'd imagine pretty high considering that show of power to Frodo when he tempts with the ring and by the fact she can emit her thoughts into the minds of the viewer

>So how high is Galadriel on the LoTRpower rankings?

She's the strongest Elf in the books.

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Because it gave Sauron great power

You can use it to amplify magic if you're like an OP superhero like Saigon or Gandalf or galadriel. A hobbit like frodo cant do shit with it but even then it made him physically stronger so he aged much slower.

from the limited knowledge i know, its SUPPOSED to let you control anyone who owns any of the rings, which is pretty nuts since the 'witch king' is one of the ring bearers, and the 'witch king' pretty much fucking kills everybody, even kicking gandalfs ass until he gets double teamed by a faggot hobbit and a girl " I AM NO MAN " plot bullshit.

also it looks like it extends your life a lot, looking at how bilbo doesnt really age.

and, theorhetically, i guess, a lot (most?) of saurons power is in the ring, so if you could ever find out how to actually use his magical power you could be pretty much as strong as he was, which apparently was strong enough that god had to intervene to fuck him over with shit like white gandalf and other bullshit.

It's clearly stated in the books and in the movie too, though to be fair not as clearly. There's that line in the beginning about Sauron pouring his will to dominate all life into the Ring.
The Ring's main function is to make people obey the Ringbearer. This is very clear in the book in The Taming of Smeagol chapter, where Frodo essentially uses the Ring to cow Gollum into doing his bidding.

‘Sméagol,’ said Gollum suddenly and clearly, opening his eyes wide and staring at Frodo with a strange light. ‘Sméagol will swear on the Precious.’
Frodo drew himself up, and again Sam was startled by his words and his stern voice. ‘On the Precious? How dare you?’ he said. ‘Think!
One Ring to rule them all and in the Darkness bind them.

Would you commit your promise to that, Sméagol? It will hold you. But it is more treacherous than you are. It may twist your words. Beware!’
Gollum cowered. ‘On the Precious, on the Precious!’ he repeated.
‘And what would you swear?’ asked Frodo.
‘To be very very good,’ said Gollum. Then crawling to Frodo’s feet he grovelled before him, whispering hoarsely: a shudder ran over him, as if the words shook his very bones with fear. ‘Sméagol will swear never, never, to let Him have it. Never! Sméagol will save it. But he must swear on the Precious.’
‘No! not on it,’ said Frodo, looking down at him with stern pity. ‘All you wish is to see it and touch it, if you can, though you know it would drive you mad. Not on it. Swear by it, if you will. For you know where it is. Yes, you know, Sméagol. It is before you.’
For a moment it appeared to Sam that his master had grown and Gollum had shrunk: a tall stern shadow, a mighty lord who hid his brightness in grey cloud, and at his feet a little whining dog. Yet the two were in some way akin and not alien: they could reach one another’s minds. Gollum raised himself and began pawing at Frodo, fawning at his knees.

He forgot to fill out a life insurance policy on Isildur
No point in Kin-slaying if you can't make some sweet d0$h off it
taxes may apply

Samefag

Yeah, only the will to sperg out about some shitty shiny rocks. Why are elves so fucking pleb? Worst race

>super-human
>loses to a bunch of literally who orcs while wearing a ring that supposedly enhances his super-power
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She should probably have a manjaw to be able to pass for a man though

they won't because tolkien estate gave hollywood a finger after the travesty that the movies were

Considering none of the movies were made with Christopher Tolkien's blessing, I'm sure Hollywood will manage to wriggle out another trilogy if they wanted.
They will never be able to touch the magnificence of the original LotR trilogy though.

1) No he can live longer than most men but all that does is fuck over his heirs who have to wait a century to be king
2) Because Numenor can't exist in a world of fading magic and departing gods
3) Because LOTR has the most faggot elves who ever sucked a dick. Creation itself was partially fucked over because elves are such cockgobbling faggots
4)Bombadil's not God he's a god and those can be corrupted by the ring
5)The Ringwraiths I guess. Calling Aragorn Numenorean is like calling Garibaldi a Roman emperor.

I think it's more like

>Elves don't kill shit unless they absolutely have to because they are peace loving hippies and also die from rape

They can die directly form grief/depression, too.

this

I kinda like weaving's way of saying Isildur.

What was his endgame?

Hackson.

Infinite revenue

>Numernorian with a ring of power
What the fuck are you on about?