Sexual deviances

If being gay/transgender is a mental illness, what is the cause, and can it be treated ?

Are there studies on this matter ?

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Being gay isn't a mental illness, it's a sexual orientation. Trannys are mentally ill though because they want to mutilate themselves to become someone else.

Being a trap myself I often wonder what the treatment is besides suicide.

>How can degeneration be treated
With fire, nuclear fire.

the treatment is Zyklon B

>can it be treated

yes. with a rope, or a bullet to the back of the head

Pics now

I think Freud wrote something about it, but I can't remember.

The treatment is rejecting all sexuality, and living a celibate life.

All these people are like this because modern degenerate society treats sex for pleasure as a necessity that somehow defines you as a man.
This is completely opposite the whole of most traditional civilizations both Eastern and Western, which all value celibacy or chastity as the ultimate virtue.

>what is the cause,

cuteness

>and can it be treated ?

loads of blowjobs and anal

Stop keeping pictures of other trannies on your phone for starters.

They should give out free hormones that way trans people can become girly as soon as possible. Instead they wait until they're 50 and then transition and you get some ugly shemales. Everyone wins from this, you get to see more hot chicks that put out, and you can probably get laid earlier. Also girly guys are way easier than girls, no need to spend a fortune just to get a blowjob, they'll do it for free.

You are not a trap stop lying. According to people in these trap threads 5% of the damn population should be traps. But they aren't and you are lying.

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But gays drop their instinct of reproduction. No sane creature would do that because it would exterminate your own species

I know better than that

I thought maybe both deviances are caused by some hormone imbalance during or after adolescence , even if it's not the same inbalance they may have this in common : they can be cured, and rather easily as that...

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>gay
MDMA.
>Transgender
We can't yet. We know it's a major brain anomaly that makes the patient somewhat more similar to the gender they feel they are, but beyond that it's a black box.

Give it another 5 years or so.
TBF that's not a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.

Shouldn't you be happy that gays exist? It means less competition for you, so you have more chance to get a hot girl as a wife.

>what is responder bias
>why are germans so stupid

Freud called homosexuality "not something to be ashamed of and certainly not a mental illness" in a letter to the mother of a homosexual son, she had contacted him to seek help for her son's homosexuality.

WRONG.

Faggotry is degenerate but for the same reason that fornication and adultery are.

It has nothing to do with "biological instinct", it was this very attitude that got us where we were now: abandonment of the spiritual.

"Biological instinct" = acting like an ape and not a man.

Lack of discipline is the root of this.

nope it's demon possession and/or porn addiction.

Ignore all materialist answers to this question.

>I thought maybe both deviances are caused by some hormone imbalance during or after adolescence , even if it's not the same inbalance they may have this in common : they can be cured, and rather easily as that...
Nah. Starts in the womb. Gayness is a response to stress (a FUCKTONNE of military wives give birth to gay kids for example) so prenatal health is a key if you want to treat the root problem.

idk being gay i dont think is really an illness idk tho but aside from the stigma i think people can be happy with themselves being gay but trans on the other hand is definitely a severe mental illness and surgery doesnt fix anything for them they still kill themselves at about the same rate after it

Gay = not a mental illness but is subversion to 'natural' procreative sexual orientation. Socially acceptable so long as they are willing to act like normal human beings in public.

Transgender = Definite mental illness. No treatment. Prep the gas chambers desu.

>Are there studies on this matter?
None that I know of, any official publication attempting to investigate the mental illness of transgenderism would be sent to a liberal gulag for their transgression (and probably racism too!)

They get their self esteem destroyed by single mothers or the education system.

From here they are easily guided to various stages of liberalism. Remember, these people are just desperately trying to find a group to identify with because they are taught to hate the group they were born into. In the end they can never completely satisfy their self hatred, so their self destructive ways almost always end in suicide.

It's a mental injury more than an illness. For it was inflicted on them by various aspects of society.

All Bailey Jay dies is get fucked by its mutilated husband. It needs to be fucked and creampied by someone else already, or at least swallow a load

Also it has a like nose

you're dodging around the real cause which is Porn and the internet

This is a very accurate assessment. I'm not liberal though and my environment was pretty shitty psychologically.

Konichiwa Yamato-san

i slept with many women from many backgrounds and origins

but the best sex i've had was with a shemale, she gave me a mindblowing bj

thanks for the input

These people just want to escape from themselves. They look at themselves, can't help but feel completely disappointed in themselves, and make up a comfortable lie that this isn't who they really are and that they need to 'embrace' their 'real me', which is sexually free and outgoing etc.

When you think about it, this whole social construct/LGTBTQXC/privilege checking horseshit is simply about preferring a comfortable lie over an uncomfortable truth. Comfort really is the central goal to these people, despite the fact that throughout history, it has been well-established that you cannot have comfort without suffering. These people completely deny it, and at some point in their lives, will pay a heavy price for it, when they discover that life isn't just about getting everything you want

because the cause isn't "liberalism" as a political ideology. It's pornography and technology (feminine consumer mindeset) and lack of shaming due to the Internet. Combined with a society which doesn't treat ALL forms of sex as taboo outside of the marriage bed.

Straight people who sleep around are the ones who brought this upon us by normalizing sex for pleasure and not reproduction.

Please stop trying to subvert our youth by telling them transgenderism is acceptable.

Conniving Jew.

私人愛情方面,他與許多女性都有過親吻、親熱的場面。並曾經與女死神有過感情,因此受到同樣愛上女死神的泰坦神薩的詛咒,成為了不死之身,所以無法跟她在一起。在《鐵手挑戰》中死侍接受德古拉的委託去帶回他的未婚妻魅魔女王夏奇拉(政治婚姻,當時德古拉以為夏奇拉是嫡女),結果夏奇拉卻意外跟死侍相戀兩人進

desu

>at some point in their lives, will pay a heavy price for it, when they discover that life isn't just about getting everything you want

No shit Sherlock. Anyone who is trans knows that you don't get everything you want.

did i say it is?
i wouldn't befriend one but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy some boipussi

>prenatal health
Really interesting , didn't think about that, so it can be that they really get the "other gender brain", saw it as leftist propaganda but can it be true to some extent ?
>military wifes
because the father isn't there and there is somekind of single mother effect ?
I'm sure psychology is also an important key here, hell i find myself to be a shemale lover when i'm depressed and only then...Seems like there is some correlation here.

The cause is degeneracy, the answer is Eugenics.
Degeneracy is rooted in our genetic code. Because of all the chemicals and xenestrogen they put in our food and water, we've basically been castrated. Hence why there are so many fags and trannies in this day and age.
Take a look at the average male. The average man is weak and unable to do their job. They can't protect families, they can't defend homes, they can't chop down a fucking tree. Instead their only goals are playing fucking video games and jerking off to anime porn. It's also the reason why people have been so hostile towards each other over the past 10 years.
Here's how you end homosexuality and pretty much all forms of degeneracy:

Step 1) terraform mars
Step 2) Pick a stable population of white, tall, beautiful, smart people who have a good genetic history
Step 3) Nuke the earth
Step 4) Start over and let humanity rise from the ashes like a phoenix.

"Mental illness" is the biggest meme in the world.

It's based entirely on what is normal in the particular society the term it is defined in.

If you live with cannibals and refuse to eat your friend they would say you are mentally ill.

>lack of shaming due to the Internet.
I grew up in a deeply religious family that constantly shamed me for my behavior and actions. I became socially broken because I hated myself for years. I spent the first 23 years of my life repressing the thoughts and behavior and it killed me inside and hurt a lot of people. Shame is not the cure, in fact it's the reason I want to die most days.

the problem comes when the hot would be wife is gay too. Same for would be husband.

Transgender has become a meaningless term. Transexual is a medically recognised mental illness.

The focus on Transexual people in the media now is a distraction to real politics. Try to ignore it. They are like 0.1% of the population. They are almost non existent.

Transgender individuals suffer from a neurological form of intersexuality caused during fetal developmental.

>It is believed that during the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. According to this concept, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation should be programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21094885

Further key structural differences are observable in transgender male and female brains.
>Significant differences in the hypothalamus structure, behavior, and activation
>Differences in the limbic structures and behavior

Berglund "Berglund, H. et al. “Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids"

Burke "Hypothalamic response to the chemo-signal androstadienone in gender dysphoric children and adolescents"

Garcia-Falgueras "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity."

Kruijver "Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus."
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Gender identity is not gender role. Gender identity is a biologically hardwired commitment to your body and instincts.

Without access to pornography and the Internet you wouldn't have even been able to comprehend the idea of being "trans".


What cartoon or anime did you watch that made you develop a female persona? We all know that's what happened.

is it gay for a hetero man to get a handjob from a trap even if he is suckin on "her" fake tits?

We didn't have internet until I was in high school. We didn't have cable TV either. I was like this as young as I can remember to the point where people outside my family couldn't tell the difference between me and my sister.

Amazing user !
Now that's what i was looking for

>If being gay is a mental illness

It's not. You could call it a personality disorder, but those aren't real diseases

>If being transgender is a mental illness, what is the cause, and can it be treated ?

It's caused by incorrect neurology related to the innervation of sexually dimorphic tissues. What causes that has been speculated at but is largely elucidated. Gender Dysphoria (which I will call GD) manifests as a physical sensation of unease or even disgust at the sexually dimorphic tissues of your own body. Quite literally hate living in your own skin. Feels sort of like phantom limb syndrome, and is responsible for the high rate of self mutilation and suicide among untreated trannies.

Right now, hormone replacement therapy is the only known treatment which can reduce the physical sensation of GD. It's worth noting that sexual reassignment surgeries offer no benefit to symptoms or survival rate over HRT alone. It's also worth noting that having GD is not in any sense being a "man trapped in a woman's body" or vice versa. While one part of the brain has been found that is differentiated according to the other sex's designs in people with GD before HRT, in most sexually dimorphic parts of the brain, reversed dimorphism is only observed after HRT. More importantly, the disease is not one of identity or personality, but physical discomfort.

The cause is most likely high levels of xenestrogens in the environment caused by BPA and other plastics, as well as women pissing their birth control into the water. (For Gender Dysphoria, that is).
Homosexuality has a more nuanced cause, although environmental pollution could also play a factor.
Cures? That's harder, I don't think we should cure homosexuality (costs are too high and benefits are too low), but rather we should encourage safe behavior amongst gays (protected sex, emphasize that gays don't need to have anal sex).
Gender dysphoria is at least as hard to treat as homosexuality, but the thing is that gender dysphoria is such a destructive mental illness to the point that treatment ought to be researched (to replace transitioning, which is a bad treatment). In the case of gender dysphoria, it makes more sense to tackle the causes first and foremost, but we should also allocate some resources to fixing those afflicted.

I may be wrong but the consensus is that the definition of a 'Trap' is a gay man who gains pleasure from the erotic scenario of being treated like a woman by a non-androphile man.

Basically, you're not aroused by men with masculine features, but feminine features get your dick hard and your dick can't tell the difference if it's a 'feminine penis'.

It's obviously still wrong though. Keep those thoughts to yourself.

This is untrue. Gender variant people and what would be thought of as transpeople existed in many cultures throughout all of human history.
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In Zapotec cultures of Oaxaca (southern Mexico), a muxe (also spelled muxhe; is an assigned male at birth individual who dresses and behaves in ways otherwise associated with the female gender; they may be seen as a third gender. Some marry women and have children while others choose men as sexual or romantic partners. According to anthropologist Lynn Stephen, muxe "may do certain kinds of women’s work such as embroidery or decorating home altars, but others do the male work of making jewelry."

In Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh, the hijras are officially recognized as third gender by the government, being neither completely male nor female. In India also, transgender people have been given the status of Third gender and are protected as per the law despite the social ostracism.

According to Herodotus, the Scythians who pillaged the temple of Aphrodite (see Venus Castina) at Ascelon, and all their descendants after them, were afflicted by the goddess with the “female” sickness: and so the Scythians say that they are afflicted as a consequence of this and also that those who visit Scythian territory see among them the condition of those whom the Scythians call Enarees.

Fa'afafine are a third-gender people of Samoa and the Samoan diaspora. A recognized identity/role since at least the early 20th century in Samoan society, and some theorize an integral part of traditional Samoan culture, fa'afafine are male at birth, and explicitly embody both masculine and feminine gender traits, fashioned in a way unique to this part of the world.

Femminielli (Standard Italian femmina, "a female," -ello, masculine diminutive suffix) is a term used to refer to a population of homosexual males with markedly feminine gender expression in traditional Neapolitan culture.

I remember reading the connection between transgender and schizophrenia, the delusion that you are somebody else. And it seemed to make a lot of sense that even after successful surgery and hormone replacement that the transgender community has a lot of suicides, because they are not addressing the real mental health issue. I heard of a drug used in schizophrenia that completely blocked out transgender ideation, but that if somebody went off the script they were guaranteed to have the illness resurface. The closest drug I could find was clozapine, wish there was more discussion on this instead of just pushing irreversible hormone treatment and surgery on people who are already on the verge of suicide.

I also think that the over exposure and acceptance of a mental illness just basically enables them further or other people.

There are people suffering from a certain identity issue, biological and all the good stuff but at the same time there are those who aren't really "trans" and actually are just going through a weird/rough whatever period in their life.

See Jenner, he is regretting to transform himself into a "chick". And it's surprising how this came about right after the accident, after he killed a person. That shit fucks you in the head and any thought gets skyrocketed as the perfect idea for the moment, the only one solution.

In other words, the solution is to keep treating it as a mental illness and just work on helping them.

As for gays, I see that as a perversion. It's really more of a fetish considering that each and every one of us has been or will be in a bi sexual situation in one form or another.

Yeah, in the demon worshipping pagan cultures that the Bible repeatedly condemns. It all goes back to the Tower of Babel and the Canaanites

tinfoil as fuck

Further examples of gender variance in history (pic related).

Mahu is the Hawaiian term for people who embody both male and female spirit.

Native American two-spirits were male, female, and sometimes intersexed individuals who combined activities of both men and women with traits unique to their status as two spirits. In most tribes, they were considered neither men nor women; they occupied a distinct, alternative gender status.

Khanith or Khaneeth is a vernacular Arabic term used in Oman and the Arabian Peninsula and denotes the gender role ascribed to males who function sexually, and in some ways socially, as women.

Gender variant people are in literature all across the world. It's not some new liberal hoax like you all want to believe.

we're all mentally ill.

We are all biologically imprinted with a gender. Sexual orientation interferes with rational thought for both men and women.

>Really interesting , didn't think about that, so it can be that they really get the "other gender brain", saw it as leftist propaganda but can it be true to some extent ?
It's probably true. Which, paradoxically enough, actually PROVES the conservative view of it being a mental illness.
>because the father isn't there and there is somekind of single mother effect ?
Possibly.

Maybe the nature is excluding you from reproducing this way.

Weak mental health
Weak health in General
Who knows

>what is the cause
Genetics

>can it be treated
Not currently

>Are there studies on this matter ?
No, because it is literally illegal for you to do any genetic studies looking for genes related to homosexuality, any researcher that tries to do it will basically commit career suicide.

Or maybe staying away from the vaginal Jew is a survival instinct

Mentally ill people have existed through out all of history, I don't see what this is trying to prove.

"Intersex" is only valid in a clinical sense by the presence of abnormal genitalia. People with gender dysphoria don't have this condition (or at least not at a greater rate than the general population).

More importantly, "intersex" is a misnomer. All humans are male or female, regardless of conginital malformations of sexual anatomy, because it is the presence or absence of an expressed Y chromosomal genes which determine whether any mammal is male or female.

Additionally, there is absolutely no proof to the hormonal prenatal development theory behind gender dysphoria, and it doesn't even make sense as an explanation for homosexuals.

Additionally, most studies involving comparisons of tranny to normal brains have the confounding factor of being done on brains of those who already had hormone replacement therapy, which alters brain structure. Only one brain structure, the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, has demonstrated atypical differentiation in transgender people BEFORE HRT.

Why are all you leftists so broken...

no
they just need a slap

Genuine trannies (a very small population of the total claiming to be non-binary) have a very real neurological condition which causes them to feel physical discomfort with their own bodies. Right now HRT is the only known treatment to reduce the symptoms. Further treatments probably exist but have yet to be discovered because the line of research is career suicide.

>cause
identity crisis
sexual abuse
idealization of gay culture
parental issues
childhood trauma
genetic predisposition

>cure
be normal
a bullet

Nature probably needed fags in the past, some good hypothesis are that they were necesary when alpha cavemen left the tribe to hunt, fags wouldn't be able to fuck the women and they would protect them from rival tribes, also if the parents of a child died fags would take care of him cause supposedly, fertil couples don't want to raise kids that don't carry their own blood

Fags are not necessary today, but they were forced to reproduce over the time, probably faggotry is something genetic and we never get rid of it because of that.

For most of these cases, see the following
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch
In most cases, these people were castrated before puberty and thus never developed male characteristics.
People would be castrated before they understood their sexuality because Kings frequently preferred to confide in Eunuchs over other groups (because they fundamentally have less at stake). So rulers would castrate young men for 3 main reasons: (1) as part of a cult; (2) as servants; (3) for sexual reasons.
The modern phenomenon of people wanting to be the opposite sex is unique to this time, caused by hormonal imbalance in the environment due to industrialization and birth control.

Shit. Was waiting for the gif to load then noticed the name.

your on Sup Forums m8 its where traps like to reside, finding taps is different depending upon where you look

i dont believe the physical discomfort has any hormonal reasoning
they need councilling like everyone else who suffers from physical pain due to mental issues

>tfw no dangling feminine penis

boypussy will make the world better

>cure
>be normal

>implying I don't want to be normal.
I'd give anything to feel normal.

It's been found to be very effective. Meanwhile counceling and therapy has been shown to be wholly ineffective. This is because gender dysphoria less of a mental disorder and more of a neurological one. And thus, chemical intervention is required.

reject lust.

Embrace celibacy and aescetic life.

don't believe the people who tell you you're worthless because you don't reproduce.

>Men want to have sex with men
>prefer the men that look most like women
>Women want to have sex with women
>prefer the women that look most like men

>Women want to have sex with women
>They think they're as attracted to women as men are

>Not a mental illness

???

>get out of bed, marcus
But it's so comfy.

I have most of my life, especially because of my religious upbringing. It doesn't make the feelings go away.

i'm upset that gif didn't play

than just dont fuck other men

POOF YOUR NORMAL

Then continue. That's all. Stop masturbating and abstain from sex.

What is the sauce for the toothbrush pic?

How does that cure me? Just because I don't get fucked by men it doesn't mean my stress or my feminine behavior and thoughts go away. Or fix my anxiety, awkwardness and discomfort.

Being gay is just a fetish that is more common than other fetishes. I still don't understand why people take it as something special. It's an attraction to something non-sexual a.k.a something that doesn't produce an offspring when you have sex with it. There isn't much of a difference between being attracted to the same gender and being attracted to your dog. If you want to call fetishes a mental illness there is not much wrong with that.

As for the people that think they're born with a different gender that is definitely a mental illness. Hell, most of them have depression and aren't happy when they switch to their desired gender.

Imo unless we have advanced neurological knowledge we won't be able to treat these. We have tried in the past though. When gays weren't so accepted yet (last century) scientists actually thought of it as mental illness and attempted at curing it. I don't recall them ever succeeding though.

Are you a fucking moron? How did gay people exist before Internet or porn then? See: Ancient Rome and Greece, more specifically Sapphos/Isles of Lesbos

you can slap my ass, daddy

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Shlomo Shecklestien right here gentleman.

Why nuke the Earth though? Why not just leave people to destroy themselves while studying them and keeping records for future anti-degenerate arguments?

>GAY/TRANSGENDER MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WILL BE THE FIRST TO HANG ON THE DAY OF THE ROPE

Isn't it just perversion? How come Japan figured this out but the west keeps trying to come up with justifications for it?

>implying i'd fuck a jew who doesn't even like me
You'd better make some killer schmaltz and challah. Rudest ally.

it doesn't have to be a jew, its usually mentally insane white guys who are bored with life and decided theyre women

fuck you for reminding me of schmaltz,now im hungry