Have humans become too mentally weak and fragile?

At the risk of sounding edgy, what do you think about how most humans, at least in the west, mostly the ones with better social status, have become too weak? I'm not talking about being physically weak, but mentally. By living lives that are too easy and not experiencing much violence or death we have grown unaccustomed to it and most can't really stand being exposed to either. Also, I believe the empathy we feel towards others (not close family) and even animals sometimes can be more prejudicial than anything.

Now, I might be talking out of my ass, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case a couple of centuries ago, and only differs more as you go further back in time.

So, what I want to know is, in the long run, do you think this has been good or does it just bring us more harm than good? Wouldn't it be better if we just didn't give as many fucks as we do? Perhaps there would be more suffering, but then again, we wouldn't care as much. I'm really torn here, what do you think, pol?

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Of course I believe it is good. I am glad to not constantly see death from disease and general human cruelty in the form of immediate violence. I am thankful I have been spared many of the horrors of the world.

However, I do believe our comfy civilization has led to the moral superiority I hate in politics, mostly from liberal ideals. Where everyone has a right to healthcare, to housing, to a basic income. Ideas brought about by the people that do not have to worry about the atrocities that make up life. Why try to foil human nature again and again through socialism? I do not understand it.

This is also why I would worry about mass immigration from the third world, where one can impose his will upon others in the form of death (to a much greater extent than here in America), and are unused to the common moral most people in this society have.

Basically, it is good to not face the terrible difficulties of life, so long as we don't forget that they still exist, and are rampant around the world.

At the risk of sounding philosophical, but isn't it the capacity for great empathy what rises humans above mere beasts?

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What is wrong with being weak?

That is exactly correct. It's also not sustainable, and nature is doing its best to make it into something that is. We'll either collectively go extinct or learn on an instinctual level how to survive in this new environment. Not trying to tip my fedora too hard here, but it's one more step in the evolution of the white race.

>The few secluded spaces housed a population Calhoun called, "the beautiful ones." Generally guarded by one male, the females—- and few males — inside the space didn't breed or fight or do anything but eat and groom and sleep. When the population started declining the beautiful ones were spared from violence and death, but had completely lost touch with social behaviors, including having sex or caring for their young.

Rome kept growing and becoming more prosperous. Then the Pax Romana happened and Rome got conquered by a bunch of simple minded barbarians

>this wasn't the case a couple of centuries ago

More like half a century ago, one generation of easy living was all it took for Westerners to become complete pussies.

If you kill weakness, the enemy wins

>On day 560, a little more than eighteen months into the experiment, the population peaked at 2,200 mice and its growth ceased. A few mice survived past weaning until day six hundred, after which there were few pregnancies and no surviving young. As the population had ceased to regenerate itself, its path to extinction was clear. There would be no recovery, not even after numbers had dwindled back to those of the heady early days of the Universe. The mice had lost the capacity to rebuild their numbers—many of the mice that could still conceive, such as the "beautiful ones" and their secluded singleton female counterparts, had lost the social ability to do so. In a way, the creatures had ceased to be mice long before their death—a "first death," as Calhoun put it, ruining their spirit and their society as thoroughly as the later "second death" of the physical body.

I guess you could ague that, but in the middle ages, people were much bigger assholes to one another and still rose above a mere beast.
However, you could also argue that the fact that they were surrounded by death and violence turned them that way, so that it didn't affect them as much as it would affect us.

I can see the appeal, but wouldn't it be ideal to not having to deal with all of that and still not cringe as hard as we do when we inevitably had to face it? Can't one have a reasonably comfortable life, yet not become as fragile as we have? It should be possible and as I said, it's inevitable to experience something like that anyway.. we should strive to not lose that which I believe is the natural state of mind. The international jew seems to disagree, however, as it seems we are being "tamed", so to speak.

>So, what I want to know is, in the long run, do you think this has been good or does it just bring us more harm than good?
Socially atomized, isolated, childless, effimenated, single men estranged to their families meet tribal, violent, prone to gang up sandnigger death cult in the streets and the other autists watch as they get beaten to death while the leftist media, of such cucks, is shitting on them to overcompensate their lack of self worth.

Yeah what could possibly go wrong...

Yes and the difference is obvious. Just go to Eastern Europe and observe the behavior of local males and compare them to Western ones. I was on Erasmus in Germany for 6 months and geez never in my life have I see so many numales. High standard of living leads to the pussification of the nation, there is no doubt. Not trying to start a banter , it's an honest observation really, which I had plenty of time to conclude

The thing is, how to avoid that fate?
I had completely forgotten about that experiment, thanks.
I agree

I don't think empathy is weakness is that's what you're suggesting.

I do think there is an element of mental weakness but that's because people aren't taught or rewarded for critical thinking, no one makes an effort to understand each other or their own selves. It seems thinking by emotional association is the way people run their own minds.

People have bubble egos. Like a bubble, it's big and attention getting, but easily popped at the slightest sign of resistant because it's mostly empty. Instead one should develop a marble ego, smaller in size, but tougher to break and filled with substance.

BASED DANE. Seriously, Denmark is one of the top 3 most based countries of Western Europe.

What really gets to me is that all this 'empathy' is largely fake anyway. With nothing else to struggle for the only thing left is social capital so people are obsessed with a)feeling good about themselves and b)looking good in the eyes of others. They won't lift a finger to actually work with anyone else or try to understand them, just keep the crocodile tears flowing and never take any responsibility. Inside they're actually full of hate for anyone who doesn't make them feel nice.

I think white people have become superior because of their empathy and kindness, it leads to better parenting which lead to genes being passed on more successfully. However it also leads to shit like "white guilt" and feeling TOO much empathy/sympathy leading to pathological altruism, ie cucking oneself self for other's sake.

What's this experiment called? I talk about it a lot but it would be nice to reference the actual name of it.

Well, yeah when you're being invaded, there's going to be a problem. There's the issue, most of us have been living in a prolonged state of peace, and have forgotten our nature. When the shitskins want to conquer it'll be too easy for them, as you have suggested. Because they live in a harsher environment, they never got pussified. It always comes down to that, too much comfort. Damn it.

Marble ego, I like it. Well, as my initial doubt suggests, I too struggle to come to terms with whether it's a weakness or not, I do see the benefits of it. But having too much of it, letting it affect you even though what is causing it doesn't impact you at all, that surely is a weakness.

To a certain extent that is completely true, but there is some empathy with your fellow human being or with a dog when you see it suffering. Even if you have no relation to it. That isn't fake and, as aforementioned, that's a weakness, a liability, I guess..

I guess there has come a point where there needs to be a middle term, but this cucking being pushed by the media just makes it worse and worse. Being too pussified makes the west prone to invasions by the alfa shitskins, however, too much of the opposite will make us like them. Sigh.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
I believe it's this one

I should also say that the reason why Western society is so often and easily abused and why we collectively deal with our racial problems so badly has to do with the instinctual level of understanding that I mentioned. Most people don't care or have the capacity to observe and respond to the social problems we're all experiencing. Most people just act in their best interests without knowing why: people are generally monogamous, people generally understand that family is important, people know that others of the same race make better mates and are more trustworthy. But we don't yet have the psychology in place to deal with other races in a positive way, so people also generally clash and get fucked over from time to time. We don't all see the patterns so it needs to become ingrained like all of our natural behaviors. It's just really shitty to watch dumb people slowly learn.

I don't think people in the West realize just how fucking alienated they are from each other. Only after you travel abroad, when you can compare yourself with other countries, it dawns on some of you. I remember speaking about this with one American dude a couple of years ago, it was one of the most depressing talks I ever had. Also, STOP TAKING FUCKING PILLS FOR EVERYTHING, countries with the highest GDPs are the most fucked up when it comes to this, JUST STOP FFS.
One war (in Europe) and you'll be back on track, the bigger the better, trust me.

Well speaking of real basic empathy, like feeling for a person or an animal in pain as opposed to mutual understanding, I think that's only a weakness if you let it override your ability to make good decisions. Pathological altruism is bad but so is pathological cruelty, going too far either way leads to bad places.

>I guess there has come a point where there needs to be a middle term

Yeah, this is why I love Objectivism as a philosophy because having rational self-interest curls your empathy to where it needs to be. Feel empathy for those who deserve it, but feel free to judge those who don't deserve it.

As said, a lot of it just fake and virtue signalling. We're taught it's moral to put other's before yourself so everyone trips over themselves to pretend to be that person as a much as possible. But they don't do it honestly, they like the SJWs spend more time casting others as sinners than acting like a saint themselves. For instance, people calling people racists... are they going to go to ghetto and help those poor minorities out of their situation? Nope. But they'll call other people racist and pat themselves on the back, thinking "SEE I did the good thing, I'm part of the socially approved group! The group should reward me with more things!"

Being selfish gets you around faking selflessness to virtual signal. The West needs to learn to be more selfish and prioritize their values. Who deserves your sympathy rather than giving it to everyone where it means nothing.

This is like the quintessential entryist Nordic male 20C reactionary thought.

If we could just give this strain of thought a name we could meme it faster to people and posts like these would resign themselves to underage Sup Forums posters and reddit.

I don't know about you, but all the bullying for being 'independent' special snowflake relative to the rest of contemporary "youth" society, combined with a little exposure to death and violence really is a good way to get psychologically hardy.

But I probably ended up being grossly fucked up instead.

>it's an 'I have nothing to add but u guys r dumb lol' episode

Yes indeed, as I said in the other comment, it's about finding the middle term. I just feel people are mostly being pushed towards either ends of the spectrum, it seems hard to find the middle term

I completely agree, in that sense, war does seem necessary.. And yeah, the fucking pills, people do need to stop.

“Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth” (Matthew 5:5)

Fuck off, pederast. I happen to find this an interesting topic and would like to know other people's opinions. And there aren't even many threads about this.

Every single kid in Serbia has a smartphone, a tablet, and a PC, yet they all still play outside, they play with marbles, they play cops and robbers, they play football, etc. I'm 26 and i did the same, I had a Sega, before that, some cheap Nintendo knock off, at 11 I got my first PC, but i never even thought of staying inside like a retard. I played single player games on my PC, multiplayer game (like Dota and Counter Strike) in the PC cafe/bang, after that we would play football until it's dark, when it becomes dark we would play hide and seek or some shit, etc. So no, banning the internet and taking away technology from kids is not the solution, it all comes down to good parenting, in the West you have huge divorce crisis on your hands, and that's where all all the problems come from.

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And why is the traditional family falling apart at this rate??

To put it simply, you've had it too good for too long, no wars, no economic hardships (apart from the recent recession), etc. Every time something like that happens a civilization becomes degenerate and then disappears. The West has lost it's Christian roots, you're extremely hostile to everything that has to do with religion (you only tolerate self-help books, yoga and meditation), you became materialists (in a philosophical sense), you became selfish ("Me, me, me, me, me, I am the only one that matters, fuck the rest!") the list goes on and on and on. Also, your altruism and empathy that some of you, mainly leftists, are feeling towards foreigners is gonna destroy you completely, because Arabs and Niggers see it as a weakness to be exploited. They think you're dumb for being kind.

Yes, the West needs a self-disciplining influence to replace that which religion provided.

Courage and discipline are the two greatest virtues of a society, and together, they can accomplish anything. Hedonism and disdain for tradition are the greatest threats to the West nowadays.

The only reason you haven't destroyed your churches/monasteries/cathedrals is because they bring in good tourist bucks. Sad but true.

EVERYONE BUT US ARE WEAK LEFTISTS
THEY KNOW NOTHING OF HONOR, OR TO LIVE BY THE SWORD
LITERALLY ALL OF US WERE BORN IN THE WRONG GENERATION

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