Mental gymnastics on both sides

>Christfags insist homosexuality is a choice
>this enforces the agency (guilt) of homos
>Homos insist homosex is a birth condition
>reinforces lack of agency of homos
>Homos will still deny they're mentally ill, while arguing they're mentally ill
>Christfags won't accept homos need to be locked up, disqualified from office, etc, for mental illness
>Homos don't want research into a cure
Both sides seem to want to lose/lose
Can anyone explain?

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deadlinedetroit.com/articles/4282/dave_agema_s_homophobic_facebook_post_was_short_on_facts
aclu.org/overview-lesbian-and-gay-parenting-adoption-and-foster-care
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

No one?
I thought Sup Forums of all places would have a book-length reply on this one

>Posting the same source that's been discredited 5 million times
deadlinedetroit.com/articles/4282/dave_agema_s_homophobic_facebook_post_was_short_on_facts

Are you even trying retard
from the article:
Joseph's first study is from 1978 and his second is from 1980, an era before HIV and before long-term gay relationships were accepted by general society. A 2010 review of data collected by the dating website OkCupid, showed the promiscuity levels of straight and gay users to be virtually identical--99% of straights and 98% of gays had 20 of fewer sexual partners . And, for what it's worth, another 2010 study concluded that "artists and poets have as many as 233 percent more sexual partners than people who aren't artists or poets." Parents, watch out. Iambic pentameter is a gateway to herpes.
Nice try though!

religion, atleast here in america, has been shit on left and right for being extremist, narrowminded, haters of sin. no one ever discusses modern interpretation of sin as merely shit that procreates fucked up.

The gays are nothing but fucked up, trying to fix it is no longer allowed. Now christfags must shut their mouths and be tolerant of the degenerates not bettering themselves.

at this point there has been a forced cease fire for fear of the nuclear fallout of throwing the first stone. AKA minorities have perverted the moral response of pro-eutopian citizens with thought retarding cancer of political correctness and guilt for judging/trying to change something they are discriminating against. because discrimination is bad, tolerance is good.

if you are not a breeder, you are then end of your gene pool. Anyone willing to end their gene pool should be approached as a soulless killer.

>give breeders guns
>protect the breeders
>protect the offspring
>shun the outliers

at a certain point with this perspective, it is easy to wonder why fags and all the other degenerates aren't used as tools of warfare and destruction.

>same source that's been discredited 5 million times
I don't think just calling my source "discredited" actually makes it discredited. Why do Jews argue this way?
I think low-chrch Evangelism in the US is so cucked because ZOG infiltrated and turned Chirstcucks into Israel worshippers.

>>same source that's been discredited 5 million times
>I don't think just calling my source "discredited" actuall
I posted an article discrediting it. Are you fucking retarded the statistics aren't accurate or based on actual studies. As is mentioned in my article. Did it not seem suspicious half the sources are from around 1970? You are a literal retard. I cannot express that enough.

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it's all a bunch of side notes.
>discriminate
>breed immaculate offspring
>repeat

>celibates should be killed

way to shit on a historically great amount of contributors to western civilization

Just how the word "many" is defined here is impossible to know because Joseph doesn't cite a study to back this claim. Instead, his lists his source as the "Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE." This group also claims President Barack Obama may be gay, so take their supposed "research" into drunken gay orgies for what it's worth.

Many homosexuals don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: "Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior" (16).
Again, Joseph cites an ancient study. This one was published in 1985. According to recent reports, HIV among younger gay men is rising because condom use is declining. Why? HIV awareness is "waning." Contrary to Joseph's claims based on a nearly 30-year-old study, "knowledge of health guidelines" does reduce unsafe behavior: "A good example of a particularly effective intervention is the Mpowerment project, which was implemented in California, USA...The project successfully raised awareness about the risks of unprotected anal sex throughout the community and reduced unprotected anal sex among young gay men."

it's not sidenotes you nigger I can post every single discredit, watching you squirm is tickling my jimmies

Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective distress") (27).
Actually, according to the APA, the removal of homosexuality from the DSM's mental illness list was the result of scientific studies, including the groundbreaking research of Dr. Evelyn Hooker. Science!

Joseph's claim that the APA doesn't consider pedophilia a mental illness is backed by a 1989 Congressional Record citation, which means some Congressman (protected by parliamentarian immunity) said it was so. That does not make the statement true. The APA does consider pedophilia is considered a mental illness.

> Scanning through
> Huh these are interesting statistics.... I'd always heard-
> There is a notable gay group, NAMBLA

Fucking dropped

Why do Jews argue this way ugh? I had a great time man thank you keep being retarded

population fluidity toward progression of the species is necessary.

Have fun being an eccentric fuck who refuses to participate in the procreation of a better generation.

Why should I procreate if I'm autistic? You want more defective children?

too cucked to an hero, such problems in life user, go to your safe place.

too cucked to an hero, life is tough user, go to your safe place.

by the way, it was an "eccentric fuck" celibate monk who pioneered the field of genetics.

You sound even more triggered than me. Do you yourself even have kids?

50/50 on that one, some guy in the military is taking care of it for me.

False. Homosexuality is beneficial to some animal populations. The following have been observed with same-sex life partners negating your shitty procreation argument.
Giraffes
Bonobo
Flamingos
Dolphins
Vampire Bats
Sea Lions
Killer Whales

See also: Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk from the University of California, Riverside have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages.

What? Are you female? or having another dude impregnate your wife for better offspring or something?

I'm not gay and I don't support faggotry.

But I also believe that materialism is a complete lie and there is value in abstinence and in some cases celibacy. Not the same thing as hedonistic faggotry.

>citing communities that are supportive of it's members
>must be fag to do this
no, you must be part of a community that supports it's members. it has nothing to do with fags

The observation of this in humans is lesbians and gays adopting children, and making more on average and thus paying more tax to society. They typically make more money and foster care knows they're usually more fit parents. Gays have literally zero problems with it because unlike bigots like you who claim otherwise they don't molest kids. That would be pedophiles, the two are not the same.

I literally discredited your whole argument and that picture and you just ignore it. Argues like an sjw with personal belief and feelings over fact. Suck my dick :^)

shut the fuck up faggot

I'm trying to get both of you to realize the problem is spiritual and every last bit of bullshit in this thread is pushing the "man is an ape" appeal to biology for everything.

dubs

Why are you pushing your religion onto others like this guy? You don't know the problem is spiritual, you think it is. People think otherwise, you're not right you autistic fuck.

I'm mostly responding to the guy who wants to literally go out and kill anyone who doesn't have children. You're just a run of the mill liberal spouting the ususal pro-fag arguments.

The fact that you can say "same sex pairing" and "rearing offspring" in the same sentence proves that this is false.
This is not homosexuality by definition.
Everything you post is now assumed to be a lie.

The problem is rooted in the seperation of sex acts from reproduction. Contraception, premarital sex and pornography are all part of the same problem of which faggotry is just an extreme symptom.

Ive seen dogs hump legs

I never said same sex pairings could procreate, his argument made it seem as if homosexual pairings aren't beneficial to certain populations which is false. Nice try though.

And I'm the only person who actually cites stuff. Fuck off back to tumblr dickweed.

Again - your personal belief. I have sex with people outside of that purpose too using a condom, or a girl using birth control. It's honestly none of your business if people are fucking for pleasure or masturbating which is healthy. You are arguably more sexually repressed than a Muslim woman living in nopeistan

Look at the fucking link to your graphic, bonehead.

>www.traditioninaction.org/TIA defends the Catholic Church and fights for the restoration of a Christian Civilization.

OP BTFO

it's all fun in games, until you kick the dog, then again when it snarls in response. Then, the game is over, and a new one starts.

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I completely fucking agree

Men and women have a sexual and emotional need for each other, and traditional relationships are the best way to satisfy this need to the greatest benefit of any children produced as a result. Everything else is essentially wrong because it leaves out at least some of the advantages of the traditional arrangement.

is it my dog?
>a soft tap on the flank
is it a dog I don't like?
>kick jaw closed
>kick in corner of throat with a finish towards base of throat

>All these infographics having sources from the 1970s
#1: "Homosexuals researchers Jay and Young" lol stopped reading there, also this is from 1979.

#2. Except a large majority of pedophiles don't report attraction to other men, as they're attracted to children. A majority of pedophiles are male, so my equivalency would be to compare pedophiles who molest little girls to heterosexuals. Again source from 1980...

I could do this all day. These infographs are so easy to rip apart you can usually google the title of it and an article does it for you. Yawn.

are you denying the holocaust?

>infographs
>rip apart
>google
>article buttfucks the reader
>yawn.

This is what that one guy who believes "breeding" as some soulless animal process and killing celibates and anyone who doesn't breed should be killed doesn't get.

He redefines sin as "anything that doesn't breed more master-race genes" without realizing the reasons for the decline of recent generations and birthrates have to do with morality not genetics.

Celibacy and chastity are virtues yet this guy thinks they're equivalent to faggotry and should be executed.

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).
ez

>literacy
lol
you're so bad

>an expert panel
surely even you realize this is complete bullshit?

do you really think you are convincing anyone with your pathetic argument?

are you a NAMBLA member, as well as a delusional pathetic faggot?

This infographic is such a joke, the stats quoted are misleading, but it's ham-handed as fuck about it.

Never said that.
You have nothing to back up what you say aside from your personal belief which is negative, what more can I expect of a bitter virgin. All that comes from your mouth is literal shit with no scientific fact to back it up, on the off chance you do have it's from sources that are old and debunked. Shitpost harder.

please explain

>50/50 on that one, some guy in the military is taking care of it for me.

so you're having another man have your children?

not an argument

>As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences
Nice job finishing that sentence buddy. Wanna try again champ?

>Never said that.
well, 1945 is much older than 1970

and if facts from 1970 can be dismissed, then you also imply that you think facts from 1945 are even more flimsy

therefore you deny the holocaust

argumentum ad authoritam?

do you even into logic? faggot

I don't need any graphs or stats.

Most homos are homos cause they got molested as boys, and they suffer their entire lives as homosexuals.
Homos and those they've bullied into submission try to diminish the effects of pedophilia by normalizing the consequence of it --homosexuality. You literally can't be pro-homo without implicitly being pro-pedo.

I discredited the infograph.
See:

You compare me denying old scientific studies which change with time to a historical event. You suck at arguing hard.
Except that's not true. See the linked articles, molestation is not a leading cause of homosexuality. Are you claiming homosexual animals are only there because they're molested? lol

>I discredited the infograph.
you are delusional

foul holocaust denier

why are you so anti-semitic?

I wonder what our audience thinks of you pathetic disgusting pedophile faggots?

would they trust you with their kids?

no, I'm good at arguing hard, as I base my arguments in reality, meanwhile you only have your feeewings

pathetic

an event in 1945 hapenned, but data from the 70s is suspect? kek

try harder, pedo

have fun teaching the cesspool without borders or a national language how to grasp the english language. the concepts of time larger than a lifespan are foreign to those who speak idly of the present.

Also, dubs. half a year ago. RIP newfags

>homosexual animals
you don't even consider them human? maybe you are on our side after all

>I posted all my arguments with cited articles that you have yet to discredit
>Meanwhile I only have my feelings
Yes, because data and science changes over time. A historical event does not change as time goes on. False equivalency. Swing and a miss.

maybe you want more stats?

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Yes, every gay man I've known was fairly open about getting abused as a boy, it's like it was something they felt the need to get off their chests, I wouldn't go calling them animals though, more like men with severe psychological trauma.

He wasn't even teaching English it was history... The day Sup Forums became tumblr apparently where my beliefs > fact

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>implying the Holocaust was a real event

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Do you believe that victims of abuse should be removed from society or killed?

I think that celibate, ascetic life should be encouraged for them.

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are you a homo yourself?

ez:
Research Overview of Lesbian and Gay Parenting1

All of the research to date has reached the same unequivocal conclusion about gay parenting: the children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as successfully as the children of heterosexual parents. In fact, not a single study has found the children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged because of their parents' sexual orientation. Other key findings include:

There is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents.
Home environments with lesbian and gay parents are as likely to successfully support a child's development as those with heterosexual parents.
Good parenting is not influenced by sexual orientation. Rather, it is influenced most profoundly by a parent's ability to create a loving and nurturing home -- an ability that does not depend on whether a parent is gay or straight.
There is no evidence to suggest that the children of lesbian and gay parents are less intelligent, suffer from more problems, are less popular, or have lower self-esteem than children of heterosexual parents.
The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents.
Source: aclu.org/overview-lesbian-and-gay-parenting-adoption-and-foster-care
Should I do the others or are you done? How about you find me some stats that are accurate i'm getting bored of dismissing them with real fact.

oy vey, my grandmother was gassed 25 times on a masturbation rollercoaster machine! you antisemitic bastard!

you can't even spam your way into a set of dubs, meanwhile, learn the rules newfag

Of course not, your opinion on this matter is also my own.

No, just when half your infographs look like facebook tier we WUZ kings infographs it's easy to see they're not based on anything. Learn to use google.

no one likes gays, you know? like no one rally likes niggers or spics or kikes

your source is bullshit

you even claim that a man molesting a boy is not homosexual

do yo uthik anyone buys your pathetic bullshit?

ha, still using jewgle? what a faggot

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literally who cares about homos and homo issues? As long as they arnt brainwashing children with pro homo propaganda who cares. Christfags who are really against homos look your selves in the mirror and really ask if this is really important.

Well, of course you're straw manning both arguments, and making wild generalizations, but I guess I can forgive you for that.

The real problem you have, I think, is that you completely fail to understand any Christian perspective. Christianity has always been a philosophy of forgiveness and redemption. Some of the most prominent Christians were prostitutes (such as Mary Magdelene, and St. Augustine's mother) and it is still a very popular ideology for hookers today. Intrinsic to Christianity is the idea that all people are sinners against God, therefore being judgemental of other sinners is hypocritical and wrong.

But a better question, to your point, might be why do you think it is the responsibility of Christians to do mental health research on homosexuality?

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1/3rd of all child molestation is by homos

yet they are only 1% of the population

are you a NAMBLA member? "sex before 8, before it's too late"?

>I posted an article contradicting it
Jews just keep repeating "I debunked your source", but they never actually do. It's weird. It's like that Big Lie thing Hitler mentioned, where Jews repeat the same lie over and over until sheeple think its true.

>Doesn't think homos are brainwashing people

Never read nor heard of "After the Ball", huh, pleb?

I think faggotry and every other deviance like that is the result of a society that defines masculinity by sex and even goes as far as to shame celibacy and chastity (look how many male virgin shaming threads you find even here). There ARE men who aren't attracted to women. The bullshit that liberals spew about faggots being smarter is because those who avoid women tend to be more dedicated to their pursuits. Faggotry is a trap to stop them from realizing their calling as aescetics.

But today's pornographic society re-writes history to say that celibate = closet gay, because MUH DICK.

Anecdotal evidence.
Myth
People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.

A side effect of this argument is the demonization of parents of gay men and lesbians, who are led to wonder if they failed to protect a child against sexual abuse or failed as role models in some important way.Schumm, who has also argued that lesbian relationships are unstable, has ties to discredited psychologist and anti-LGBT fabulist Paul Cameron, the author of numerous completely baseless “studies” about the alleged evils of homosexuality. Critics of Schumm’s study note that he appears to have merely aggregated anecdotal data, resulting in a biased sample.

No scientifically sound study has definitively linked sexual orientation or identity with parental role-modeling or childhood sexual abuse.

The American Psychiatric Association noted in a 2000 fact sheet available on the Association of Gay and Lesbian Psychiatrists, that dealing with gay, lesbian and bisexual issues, that sexual abuse does not appear to be any more prevalent among children who grow up and identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual than in children who grow up and identify as heterosexual.

2ez4me

digits noted, praise kek

death to homos and pedos

>implying other mammals don't experience mental disorders and birth defects
Wew

I don't think that "society" defines masculinity as anything. Your interpretation is extrinsic. You are the only one defining anything by sex.

well, that's bullshit

statistical evidence indicates that 1/3rd of all molestations are by men, of boys

nambla faggot

See:
(You)
(You)
(You)
once again
Okay so you group pedophiles with homosexuals then why shouldn't I with heterosexuals? I also disproved they're more likely to molest kids. Yawn.

One can refrain from judging the sinner (btw which refers to intention and not act) while at the same time resisting the efforts of homo-propagandists that are intent on perverting society and damning souls to hell.

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you better not approve of premarital sex.

If so you're in the same camp as the homos and pedos.

In fact they would have never gained any influences in society without the legions of "straight" fornicators.