I am asking this from an neutral viewpoint:

I am asking this from an neutral viewpoint:

Why is capitalism better than socialism?

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Socialism is a paper tiger, Capitalism is an iron rabbit. It's all psychological really, having the high tax cut from your checks is very demotivating. But when you get your checks and it only has a minor cut you feel a lot better about spending your money.

You don't feel like building something big because you won't make that much more anyway, the more you make the more they take.

It's all about the hivemind really, 315,000 million people all spending their money how they want is much better for the world than a select few rats *cough* I mean politicians spending everyone's money for them

Why is air better than water? You need to be a little more specific if you want (You)s.

In a socialist system, there is almost no incentive to accomplish anything innovative. No incentive to make new tech or medicine. What for? You'll only get a little more money for tonnes more risk.

Name one Socialist country that isn't complete shit.

>inb4 HURR NORDIC COUNTRIES ARE SOCIALIST BECAUSE THEY HAVE WELFARE

They are both shitty enlightenment systems.

Well...

...huh.

Socialism is an invention of the jews and is pushed by the jews religiously in order to create a slave class dependent on the state

Capitalism is an invention of the white man and is embraced by non-parasites

Implicit in all socialist systems, Communism included, is that the collective of people is more important than the individual. This reasoning provides the justification for reducing human rights and intruding on peoples' decisions - they don't matter, the nation matters. It results in an unwillingness to work, to innovate, to create, because whatever you produce will be gathered by the "people" - the government - and redistributed. Your industry and labor belongs to other people, and you in fact belong to other people.

By contrast, Capitalism treats people as individuals and guarantees that the product of their labor and creativity will belong exclusively to them, not to others. It turns out that people are far more motivated to work and think when they know whatever they create will benefit them greatly. Then, they can exchange their creations with others through the medium of trade, enriching everyone.

Where people naturally get offended by this is that, in pure capitalism, some people do get wealthier than others. It turns out there are people who are inherently smarter, more attractive, more athletic, and luckier than others. That means the distribution of wealth will be uneven. Even so, the overall wealth of every member of society under capitalism is enormously better than the same under socialism.

Would you like to know more?

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Well, shit, if you got more I'm up to read.

Capitalism is the most "free" marketing style. It follow very closely to "You're the master of your fate", the risk is of course, just as you have the chance of making big bucks, you have a good chance of failing as well. It's all about gambling and risk assessment.

Socialism is all about "security over freedom", you won't theoretically starve on the street for failing a business venture, but you won't succeed either because most of your money will be given to the government via high taxes. Socialism and communism are incredibly limited because you can only be what the government wants you to be, there's no space for self thoughts because that would be selfish and harmful to the masses.

As a Taiwanese chinklet, we're more than aware of the rising communist meme around the world. If you publicly support communism in Taiwan, don't be surprise when people lynch you on the street. Only those that have never seen communism before would support it.

The best part about all this is that most people that support communism / socialism are leftist "artist", music student, gender study, humanities, and other waste of time. These are the people that dies first in a socialistic society as they provide no intrinsic values, they're only here because capitalism allowed them to exist.

B-BUT
THATS NOT REAL COMMUNISMMMMM!

>If you publicly support communism in Taiwan, don't be surprise when people lynch you on the street.

This is good, if only we had the same mindset

I make joke to make easier to understand. Please read in broken russian accent for full effect.

In communist Russia, you wait on breadline.
In capitalist pig dog america, bread line waits on you.

It's not perfect system comrade, corruption is everywhere.
But life is generally better in a capitalist country, as there always seems to be excess that spills over from the top.
Maybe not a fair amount, but enough to live comfortably.
Pair that with the chance to better yourself, and become rich pig dog yourself. And things aren't so bad.
Unless you keep electing retards into office, who strip your rights, and make you slaves.

Sure.

This might be better as a question and answer thing, but the root of it is this:

Let's say that you have some apple seeds and an idea to plant an orchard. Why would or wouldn't you?

Well, let's say you plant this orchard, exercising all your labor and time, and then after it's done and apples start to grow, the tribe shows up and says: "You need to help those in need, so we are taking your apples for the common good." This leaves you with a tiny fraction of the apples you planted. Would you still have gone through all the work? Probably not.

Now, let's say you plant the orchard and also build a fence around it. Now, the fruit grows and people show up but, instead of taking it, they pay you for the apples. Or they trade oranges and pears for it. Would you plant it now/ Of course you would. Even better, the knowledge you used to create that orchard can be used by others to plant pear and orange orchards, and now all of society is better off. Naturally, the orchard owners are richer than the people who gather the fruit from the trees, but even the workers have access to fruit they did not have before.

Which society would you like to live in?

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Havana looks comfy in that pic desu. I would hate Hon Kong because I'm an aspie shut-in.

Here's a rider's digest version of Yaron's longwinded explanation:

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its not just that "capitalism is better than socialism", baka

theres more than that, capitalism needs to work towards a strong national-export oriented industry and without strong institutions and education its moot anyways

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Scenario 1: Guy is really bad at managing the industry is in charge of. Industry fails, government dumps good money after bad to try and revive it. Death spiral ensues.

Scenario 2: Guy1 is really bad at managing the industry he is in charge of. Guy2 is very good at managing the industry. Guy1's industry fails, Guy2's industry grows and eventually takes over.

Socialism attempts to put people "with good moral fiber" in charge of making the economy grow.
Capitalism puts people who have been proven to be good at making the economy grow in charge of making the economy grow.

The Soviet Union fell because of fudge pops

This was in a Randalls in Houston.

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>socialism: everyone makes enough money to buy the goods at the grocery store

>capitalism: no one can afford the goods in the grocery store because the CEOs and the big central government take all of the money in the form of high salary and high taxes

Socialism wins bub.

You are literally shitposting from a computer a capitalist invented, which has been reduced in price from many thousands of dollars to only a couple of hundred, and you say that people can't afford food.

Here's a (you)

>socialism: everyone makes enough money to buy the goods at the grocery store
> goods at the grocery store

>implying there'd be goods at the grocery store

Redundancy. Capitalism, or more correctly the free market, has more redundancy than a system where everything is centralized into the government. In the free market, a bad harvest isn't too bad because there's always more suppliers to choose from. In a socialist economy, you're hoping that the government will never screw up. Ever. Because if it does, there's no other recourse.

Socialists can't afford to fill their stores with goods because they are taxed to death

Capitalists have full stores because they made a profit on the goods sold and kept said profit

Look at all this food people can afford in a socialist utopia

>Socialism is state spending or equal pay
Uh, but i guess retards will never learn...

But arguing agaisnt socialism here on Sup Forums is a moot point, because it ends up in a complete circlejerk. Try to go to socialist forums to learn more

I know. The shelves are empty. Everyone bought all of the food instead of letting it sit on the shelves.

fuck off lefty pol

>Venezuela
>Socialist

Socialism is good if it's restricted to the people who is contributing to it, ie. NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

Just for you then ;)

>doesn't know what national socialism is

Just curious. what do you think Billionaires even do with their money? Sure sometimes you have an idiot who stumbles backwards into their fortune and spends it all on Baseball teams and Space Programs (in other words a lot of people are making money off this idiot), but most of the time they use their money in order to grow their influence over the market. In other words they spend their money employing people.

Try figuring out what to do with the countless amounts of resources and their multiple uses from a top down perspective.

are you for fucking real?

Sup Forums doesn't like having their views challenged. see also i got perambanned from cripple Sup Forums for disagreeing with someone. lmfao.

Yeah, yeah, it's about state or collective ownership of the means of production and all.

Thing is that when you remove market competition that way, you remove the incentives to provide goods and services, and do so efficiently. When a company has political protection and state backing like that, why would they try to serve customers? They don't have to. Same reason why you get poor customer service from the government in any country, or any company that has a monopolistic position.

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>Venezuela suffers from frequent blackouts
>It must be because they are so rich, they use more power now!

Must be all those free Plasma TVs.

>Thing is that when you remove market competition that way, you remove the incentives to provide goods and services, and do so efficiently. When a company has political protection and state backing like that, why would they try to serve customers? They don't have to. Same reason why you get poor customer service from the government in any country, or any company that has a monopolistic position.
kek, So people no longer are hungry in a socialist society?

>when you remove market competition that way, you remove the incentives to provide goods and services
source?

I do. But thank you for your concern.

Capitalism has produced so much wealth that the biggest health problem for people living in poverty is obesity. Meanwhile in socialist paradises people are fighting in the streets over dog meat and toilet paper.

So why in the world do you think Nazi germany had anything to do with Socialsim?

I bet you can't even name me 3 socialist societies

This is a very well written joke

Socialism breeds incredible corruption and destroys incentive to produce.

Capitalism is more natural. Products and services tend to flow faster from the source to the needy. Businesses have to be constantly improving to compete so the economy runs more efficiently. (If I understood correctly).

Because capitalist societies are not corrupt at all

Not at all, in the nature (tribal human societies) the spoils of the hunt are distributed by everyone, the tribe land is not owned privately, everyone works towards common goals...

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Corruption is handled better in a Capitalist country where competition mitigates its effects than a socialist country where power is concentrated in an oligarchy of party elite

Because they did a socialism reform in terms of Öffa.

>socialist country where power is concentrated in an oligarchy of party elite
Source?

> Capitalist country where competition mitigates its effects
Because there aren't oligarchies in capitalist nations. When will you start to actually arguing instead of spouting memes

And in what way is that socialism?

>Source?
every socialist country to ever exist

>Because there aren't oligarchies in capitalist nations. When will you start to actually arguing instead of spouting memes

There are oligarchies in the United States and we recognize that they do more harm than good

How would CEOs make money if nobody can afford to buy their products???

There is an incentive in capitalism to keep your product affordable to the masses. That incentive is income.

>every socialist country to ever exist
Like?

>There are oligarchies in the United States and we recognize that they do more harm than good

So what makes you think oligarchies are a problem of socialism when they exist in capitalism?

They spread wealth (to öffa) and created work by proxy (nationalistic work) to people.

Also: It's nationalistic SOCIALISM you twerk.

>How would CEOs make money if nobody can afford to buy their products???
Exporting

Is progressive taxation socialism?

>Like?
USSR, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, China, North Korea

>So what makes you think oligarchies are a problem of socialism when they exist in capitalism?

Oligarchies are not inherent in capitalism

In socialism the state is the oligarchy

>Why is capitalism
>better than socialism?
Because kikes hijacked eternal socialism, every good society in history was socialist.

>Sweden yes

Socialism isn't a Jewish invention, Socialism is nature.

>Socialism is nature

Equality is not nature

Nature would be inequality and social hierarchy

>North Korea
>Socialist
>China
>Anything other then a mad man in charge of a country
>Vietnam
>Socialist
top kek

I don't know Laos, but i think there aren't any socialist who do not denounce Pol Pot regime

>USSR, Cuba
Under a very broad definition, maybe

>Oligarchies are not inherent in capitalism
Any capitalist regime who do not have a oligarchy?

>In socialism the state is the oligarchy
And in capitalism it isn't because?

But I thought that nobody could afford to buy their product..........

And socialism is not total equality you dumb dumb

Retard, socialism has nothing to do with Marxist "equality" it has to do with the well being of the group above the individual bullshit, laws are socialism, rights to the people is socialism etc..

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More pay, more rights, more power, more respect to the people.

Other rich countries do. And depending on the product, the market does not need to be large, and inflated prices are beneficial.

Capitalism is the economic expression of a political system founded in the principles of individual liberty and property rights.

Do you want to have liberty? Do you want to own property? Or do you want to be a slave?

>Another neo-nazi thinking germany was anything remotely similar with socialism

Have the freedom to be paid 10cents for eternity.

>Capitalism is the economic expression of a political system founded in the principles of individual liberty and property rights.
source?

>dat appeal to emotion

>I can tolerate your marxist socialism
>you can't tolerate my true socialism
Just kill yourself.

Capitalism: The natural tendency of people to exchange goods to their own benefit.
Socialism: Heavy handed centralization of power in which the elite take other people's stuff and hand it out as they see fit.

They aren't particularly exclusive.

>source
Do you even speak English? Christ, why do people bother talking to you?

I do not call myself nazi, I am a national socialist.

Capitalism operates within the bounds of reality.

Socialism tries to impose itself as the new reality, and directly counters reality in several ways, such as requiring people to both sacrifice their lives for the common good and yet still be ready and able to work the next day.

if you say source one more time to something you can easily google...you are going to win a first class trip on pinochet airlines

If someone calls themselves National Socialist but violates these rules he isn't anything to me.

1: We do not seek any enemies in the world, and our revolution does not go against the interests of any nation.
2: We do not seek to destroy nations.
3: We do not hate other races as a default.
4: We seek out friendship and alliances all through out the world.
5: We are bound to help the peoples struggle for racial freedom and racial sovereignty.
6: We do not tolerate Marxism therefore Marxism must be exterminated.
7: We demand racial purity as the first priority of states within our control.
8: We do not seek war although we do not fear war, we only wish for rationality and respect for our will to be maintained.
9: We do not tolerate anyone going against the interests of our goals and truths.
10: We do not tolerate hatred without jury to fellow comrades.
11: We do not tolerate the unauthorized to tell us what we can or can't do.
12: We do not tolerate warmongers, and criminals.
13: We do not tolerate anyone breaking these rules.
National Socialist international constitution for unity of National Socialist nations

What the fuck are you talking about.

fpbp

Shh, he doesn't understand that socialism is even more mundane than capitalism

Progress leads to degeneracy
Case 1: USA

No, it's was a plan to escape the jewish-made currency system, which makes wealth by interest to the bankers and not to the people.

nazi germany was breddy gud lad

>Capitalism: The natural tendency of people to exchange goods to their own benefit.
And what m akes you think that people can't exchange goods in a socialist society?

source?

>We do not tolerate warmongers
Hahha, the irony

I just want to say that that picture of Hong Kong in 2010 looks fucking cool

A socialist economy increases positive innovation.

Nothing more mundane than the vain desire to control everything, right? At least for a socialist.

>A socialist economy
What is this?

What are you talking about, national socialists care about the true rights of the people.