Sees a Antifa vs Nationalist video

>sees a Antifa vs Nationalist video
>Antifascist have a USSR flag
>Antifascist
>Socialism

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antifas are pretty dumb t b h

>peronistas de izquierda
>peronistas de derecha

What do argies mean by this?

They have peronism in their bones, that's why they will always fail

>haha what had the USSR ever done for antifasc-
Are you genuinely retarded?

Fascism is communism in which no one is going to die of hunger

>differences between Communism and Nazism: Nazis killed jews, soviets don't
And that is the only difference, don't you think that is fascism? The only retard here is you amerifag

USSR was more evil than Nazi Germany and way less competent aswell thankfully, seriously retards waving USSR flags should be treated same as ones waving Third Reich one, literally no difference between those two, except Germans didnt kill their own people for fun

>Sup Forums is full of dumb Nazi apologists who only hate USSR because they are brainwashed to.
USSR did more to save your sorry asses than a bunch of dumb inbreed nazis.

Heres a beautiful black woman to show how not racist you guys really are.

Antifa are just anglos chimping out

>USSR did more to save your sorry asses than a bunch of dumb inbreed nazis.

Yeah like raping and looting every village they passed through while Wehrmacht did nothing but keep peace, also making my country from one of richest in Europe to Africa tier in 50 years. Also killing our intellectual elite and causing many important people to flee west. Also silencing free speech and putting people to jail for having different opinions. Or invading country and soldiers not leaving for another 30 years.

WTF i love USSR now

>soviets didn't kill jews
>nazis killed only jews
wew

>asshurt german "heritage" fella.

>USSR did more to save your sorry asses than a bunch of dumb inbreed nazis.
How exactly does pointing nukes at my country, and funding communist revolutions in Asia, Africa, and LA help my country?

>that is the only difference
Kill yourself.
>being this much of a cuck

>how dare those neo-nazis wave the flag of such an oppressive regime
*waves USSR flag*

The nazis already did that to your country. They killed all the intelligent men, stole from you and pillaged you. It's in the history books.
I said they helped Europe not America. They tried to stop the spread of capitalism throughout the world. History has proven that communism can only work when capitalism is non existent.
Fuck off Nazi larper

>Fuck off Nazi larper

Lol no media or western propaganda told me that, just a soviet refugee

The cringiest thing on this website is Naziboos

>soviet refugee
Sounds like the assmad child of a tsarist aristocrat that's mad because Lenin took their plantation.

how does that make me cuck?

>The nazis already did that to your country. They killed all the intelligent men, stole from you and pillaged you. It's in the history books.

No they didnt

>the nazis did nothing wrong
>the nazis were unequivocally evil

A canadian nazi. Why does that sound funny?

>hurr sure my forcibly imposed puppet government is amazing, our people should be oppressed
Cuck.

>both sides were in the wrong

>Americans

>The Nazis hated slavs

why wouldn't they? fascists and communists are mortal enemies.

Commies and Nazi should both be hanged in the name of Allah, inshallah.

>the nazis were good boys, they dindu nuffin

Soviets opressed us, Nazis didnt

>the Nazis were bad boys they killed LITERALLY a trillion innocent jews!

>canadian
>nazi

He's a sissy wh*Te who got bullied by Jamaicans. Even amongst wh*Toids he is considered a failure.

DELETE this!

Fascism and communism aren't very similar except that 20th century communism also involved mass single-party rule and included political violence.

While fascism is about violently upholding existing inequalities and protecting the interests of the national propertied class, communist governments sought to abolish the material hierarchies of capitalism and feudalism, and also other forms of ethnic, religious, or sexual domination which they believed to be the result of capitalism. Just as fascism sought to advance the interests of the propertied class, communism was about upholding the interests of the working classes. To what extent communism actually held these interests is a very different discussion, but studying Soviet economic changes shows that they at least believed collectivization and land redistribution would save the peasantry from feudal oppression.

Macroeconomics is probably the biggest difference between fascism and communism. While the Nazis called themselves socialists and the Italian fascists tried to court the support of leftists, both these economies were run by business owners rather than workers or any bureaucrats claiming to represent the workers. The Nazi economy was not socialist at all, and the word "privatization" was invented to describe their economic reforms. While the government did sometimes intervene, this was only done for the benefit of the state in the coming war. Property was never distributed and the only persecuted bourgeois were the minority of them who were Jewish.

While communism involves a major economic transformation and redistribution of resources, fascism crystallizes most of the existing economic situation and only intervenes to strengthen the state apparatus.

>Nazis and Fascists
>no political violence

The companies were regulated

mises.org.br/Article.aspx?id=98

The Soviet Union never killed a single person for being Jewish. There was some state Antisemitism, particularly during the Stalinist period and then a little bit after, but it wasn't really any worse than the kind of Jew-hating going on in France or postwar Germany.

Capitalism with some government involvement is still capitalism. A big part of the Nazi appeal (likely the biggest factor for their success) was that they promised domestic property-owners and international financiers that their hard rule would prevent the kind of economic revolution that had happened in Russia.

>they're both authoritarian, so there's no difference
The underlying philosophies, goals, and actual ideology between Fascists and Communists couldn't be more different.
They have totally different outtakes on the world and it's problems.

Yeah but both involves killing and genocide of innocent people.So what difference does it make?

Bro you literally live under a communist government. What genocide do you see?

20k-25k non-Jewish Slovenes were killed in the holocaust

>muh Nazis didn't oppress us

Fuck off you literal antifa marixst sympathizing retard

Communism has killed literally way more than any jew under National Socialism.

It also doesn't work

Russian lives unironically don't matter

>Fuck off you literal antifa marixst sympathizing retard
Why would you think that I was such?
My reply didn't herald that, you quoted the post of an actual fascist sympathizer.

Well what many would qualify as Fascists, Singapore, South Korea's military governments, Chile under Pinochet, Spain under Franco, could all actually be a good places to live while communist countries can say no such thing.

I'm a Marxist but I don't support the Soviet Union. Some of their reforms made life a lot better for many people but many others were abject failures. The human toll of these failures, as well as the extreme cruelty exhibited by many communist governments toward perceived enemies, is completely unacceptable.

Socialism must be a movement of workers, not of bureaucrats, and it must actually abolish capitalism rather than turn the state into the dominant capitalist entity.

My main gripe with 20th century socialism basically was that it was too similar to fascism. The confusion exhibited by OP shouldn't even be possible.

>I'm a Marxist

Why would you abolish capitalism for the polar opposite and create new problems instead of eliminating them entirely?

Also, fascism has killed more people than communism (and in a far shorter timespan!) considering that fascists started WW2

are you retarded?

peronism became such an easy way to win elections that it became an umbrella term for a bunch of different ideologies

The problems of capitalism can't be eliminated within a capitalist context. As long as there's commodity production people are going to be exploited, and the failures of both social democracy and Soviet style socialism show that heavy regulation of capital or even its nationalization does not go far enough.

Didn't "Peronism" just amount to saying Argentina was good?

>American flag

Commies and Nazi's are two sides of the same socialist coin.
Just like antifa, sjw's and other retards that want to attack our freedom and silence other.

>you quoted the post of an actual fascist sympathizer.

>Anti-communism
>Fascist

Wowee Lenin was great wasn't he?
My great grandfather would've killed you on sight just for principle. Fucking worthless communist

No, you're just suggesting to redistribute the wealth so that the conflict isn't the rich vs the poor, but rather poor against the rich. You can use the exploitation argument from the other side.

Here's where I agree with you: Social democracy and soviet style socialism do infact fail. But why did the USSR implement, in your terms, a system similar to fascism?

Fascism can be loosely defined as government and corporations becoming one. What the USSR did was threatening by force to gulag people if they do not behave, and use the excuse that communism will happen as a result. However, you cannot implement a communist system in human nature. Ever. When everyone is equal and able to have housing, food, etc. Someone will without a doubt eventually "exploit" the system and gain an upper hand for power. Humans are hierarchical people. It doesn't matter if there is commodity or not.

Here's my solution: You can use this hierarchical nature to society's advantage. You make the individual earn his wages, earn his right to own private property and enterprise, and earn his ""class"". This creates societies that meshes well with how people function primitively while creating a system that can maintain itself in the future. This is the logical perspective that most communists lack, and use their far-leftism to justify their emotional responses to the real world.

Im not from Slovenia you waste of oxygen

SHIT

>Commies and Nazi's are two sides of the same socialist coin

*facepalm*

This kind of comment make me feel like "people from Sup Forums & Sup Forums can't have nice things" because they can't even understand basic "politics". you guys learn everything from wikipedia

Search this: "stanley brue: the evolution of economic thought", is a good introduction, that book helped me a lot in my first semester of "politics science".

FUCK OFF THIS ISNT A POLITICAL BOARD
FUCK OFF BACK TO BEDDIT DUMB
KEKOLDING PATHETIC WASTE OF AIR

>facepalms

PLEASE FUCK OFF N O W

>Communists are against hierarchy, seek to have a stateless society

>Fascists believe in a universal order and natural hierarchy in society. They believe that the state have absolute power.

>Americans genuinely believe these two are the exact same thing because "muh freedumbz muffugah"

goddamit, i was thinking about "politic and policy".

*political science" not "politics science"

>flag

"""oh! forgive me my british overlord!!! ohhhh!!! god save the queen!"""

both communists and fascists deserve to be shot on sight

Communists are objectively worse however, because they don't outright call for killing of their opponents.

neither do fascists, its just Hitler that went insane

Didn't Franco do the same thing to leftists?

No. Franco's Spain was allowed to exist for a very long time because he didn't begin invading other countries.

That was literally the only beef the allies had with Nazis.

Fascism just uses people who are not part of your nation as stepping stones, if you forget about ethics and morals its by far most efficient ideology as far as advancing your country goes

They say that fascism is "science applied to humans". Is this accurate?

Literally every internet fascist meme is about killing millions of people for their religion, political beliefs, race, or sexuality

ah yes, internet memes

This desu
Shoot commies cripple facists

The post I was calling "Fascist sympathizer" was mine.

I'm the fascist sympathizer.

Liberal Democracy is killing us.
I don't think actual fascism is the right answer, but we need some "fascist" values if we are going to not spiral ourselves into some liberal hell.

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>see Gay Pride marching
>they are holding a big Che Guevara poster up in the air
>Che Guevara literally threw faggots to labour camps and executed them left and right

Why are leftist so dumb